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The Slow Motion Revolution.

 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
04:14 / 16.11.04
OMG. I've been in some kind of a trance since taking the 32nd Degree. I had repeated, strong visions of angels through the entire rite: big ones, small ones, ones as big as your head, ones holding open the roof of the Cathedral. I still tear up. I've occasionally seen what appear to be autonomous angels doing Golden Dawn style magical work ("seen" in the inner vision sense) but this was nothing like that. They were tangible, innumerable, this hugely skilled, concerted team.

I'm a seasoned occultist. I've seen Hindu saints, people said to be Avatars (and I believe 'em) and I've never seen anything like this. I was trying to keep it to myself until it had settled in, but on balance, this one is for sharing: I've never seen the kind of Angelic power and Angelic involvement I saw doing those degrees. Never. Ever.

I've never seen a church service, a wedding, anything, as flooded with *love*, love for all of humanity, as what I saw during those rituals. Geezers in stage costumes re-enacting fragments of Victoriana-style history surrouneded on the other level by these *beings*.

As I said, I'm a pretty seasoned sorceror. Mainly GD. I've just never seen anything like this. It's been a few days, I've tried to let it settle in... I just have to speak. I actually feel compelled to.

I don't know the details, I don't know how it works, but it's an Angelic institution. There may be other things within it - bad branches, or other forces, but that time, that ritual... Watching these subtle beings moving around in the audience, blessing, initiating, teaching people who could not even percieve them every detail of the art, how to be a human part of the Angelic World... bestowing Grace...

Jesus Christ, I'm just blown away. Been trying to ground it out, stabilize it, let it setting into the bucket I keep weird experiences in, but sorry guys... this one is to share.

I got a glimpse of something. Of a race, a species of beings of almost incredible love, moving through the ranks. I keep trying to describe this image: ranks of lawyers, doctors, car mechanics, all in their good suits, watching, and all unaware of the Angels moving among them.

One of the realest experiences in my life. I'm watching my life change right now, watching old situations, old patterns just melt off, the energy of contact increasing rather than diminishing. I got hit pretty good, so much light I can bearly contain it.

It's like having the sun in my head right now.

This sounds fucking crazy.

There's a bit in one ritual where they have an initiatee in a white robe, wearing an apron and a lamen (woo! like you couldn't guess that). Big flowing sleeves, on this occasion a really tall thin guy. And there were these identically dressed entities, but the "robes" were energy fields, parts of the beings, and the lamen was actually some kind of energy form manifest on their skin, showing the same design. The stood there, looking alike, him unaware of them, but them proud of their new brother.

The Founding Fathers. The Boston Tea Party... done by Brothers on break from their Lodge, allegedly. The American Revolution - entire lodges went to fight under their lodge banners. The backbone of the world we live in was laid by this institution: Issac Newton was a member, and almost certainly wrote large chunks of the Second Degree. I don't know...

I thought it was a shell, a burned out old man's club. I'd seen traces of something else, some other power, in for-example my own initiations which had been pretty powerful with no skilled occultists involved. It was a mystery.

I guess this time the mystery revealed itself.

I'm still trying to make sense of it. This ostensibly old man's club, this burned out shell, turns out to be powered by Angels. Who manifest in a way I'd never believed possible. And do the initiations while the old guys parade around on stage.

Not that the old guys don't do a nice job, but it's not where the mojo is coming from.

Freemasonry, at least the Scottish Rite, appears to be powered by Angels.

There. I've said it. Now take me somewhere quiet and feed me with a soft plastic spoon.

And I'm sitting here, just understanding what's going on. This crazy institution, assuming it was always like this, that this isn't new... it really could go back, way back: Solomon's Temple is the ostensible starting point. Could be: the Builders Of The Temple, the Masons, well what if they built with light, not stone, knew the rituals for building tethers, points where the human and angelic world could connect. And what if that's the Great Secret, what's been passed along and guarded so carefully.... explains the GD material pretty nicely, explains the whole "Who's Got The Secret Chiefs" thing, as the tether of the split-off order failed...

And History... god... I'm speculating on the edge of crazy, but people - all sworn to various vows - all guided by these unseen hands. Open the lodge, tune in to the Angelic level, sit and charge with the energy, close the lodge and bring more and more of that Angelic Light into the world.

Now I sound like a fucking propagandist. Let me say: it's full of old fucking geezers who have no idea what's going on. They just sit there and Do The Work as they calll it, not an aware bone in their frayed bodies...

I just... I wouldn't believe it if I read it. This looks like rambling nonsense, but it's just shattered my fucking paradigms harder than any acid trip, any ritual.

I'm blown away. Our civilization is guided by Angels. And they show up in *masonic*lodges*.

Bro. Muppet, who's just not *used* to this kind of thing.
 
 
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04:53 / 16.11.04
Wow, that sounds like quite an experience... Not really sure what to say to you. But if angels are guiding our civilization, I hope they have a good reason for getting Bush into the white house for a second term.
 
 
Z. deScathach
11:25 / 16.11.04
You mentioned that the geezers had no idea what they were doing. That's fascinating and telling at the same time. You're occult training has obviously enabled you to see things that they can't. I think that you are probably right about those rituals being designed as a "tether". That angels would show up at one of these doesn't surprise me too much, given the Mason's origins. Sounds like cool stuff to me. Still, if it were me, I'd probably approach them with caution. I'm always slightly nervous about something that glows a lot. It's that damn cynic in me. Love is all well and good, it's that shadow that it casts that makes me nervous.....
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
11:45 / 16.11.04
Either this revelation is the real deal and you saw the truth about god, or you've tapped into the ascetic/schizophrenic corners of the brain that most people never access, or you just started to hallucinate during your long ititiation...or you're making this shit up.

I'd think it was somewhere in the middle, but for the sake of argument (as this is the kind of thing you can almost never prove, let alone to anybody online), let's assume you did have an encounter with the divine. What does this mean? That America was founded as a haven for masons, who wanted to create a country that would mimic/correspond to the divine and transcendent land of the angels? Tell that to the native americans and to the people of America who have to live in a country that is becoming increasingly hostile to them for not believing in the word of god. That GW is continuing the masonic goals by preading angelic love to the middle east? Or that GW is the "darkness that works for the light"? Tell that to the children in Afganistan and my step-brother, who is in Iraq killing people because George Bush wants him to.

I think my point is, if Freemasons really do run this country, then, angels or not, you're on the wrong side.

BUT, I may be jumping the gun. You never explicitly said that masons still run the country, or that they ever fully did (Adams, for example, was very anti-mason). I, for one, find it hard to believe that people like Jefferson and Franklin were bad guys.

Oh, and one more thing...do you think that the divine actually ARE angels, or if that's just the form they take because Scottish Rite is so heavily christian?

(And while we're at it, where do your evil lizard-men masters fit in to all this?)

Thanks for taking to time to write about this for us, muppet. It has been great food for thought, to say the least. Secretly, we're all jealous of you and your new stature. One more degree, and you're a presidential candidate, eh?
 
 
Seth
16:05 / 16.11.04
It's really interesting that often certain people will have these kind of experiences in spite of the system they're using, with all it's historical and methodological baggage, rather than because of it. I had some extraordinarily similar experiences when I was learning NLP.
 
 
rising and revolving
16:39 / 16.11.04
Seth, do you really think this case is "in spite of" ? I'm just curious - to me this seems to be a case of the system being solid, such that it works *even* when the initiatory team are not (necessarily) competant magicians.

To me, that seems to indicate the SYSTEM is strong.

In fact, it's reminiscent of my ongoing experiences with various magical systems - where understanding comes through repetition and revelation, rather than analysis. I can read all I like about the meanings of the SIRP, for example, but it's not until I spend some time actually doing it and having those personal revelations that things become clear.

Murg. I'm muddying my initial point. Suffice to say, thanks for this Brother Muppet - it's very much appreciated.
 
 
rising and revolving
16:43 / 16.11.04
"I think my point is, if Freemasons really do run this country, then, angels or not, you're on the wrong side."

Or maybe, just maybe, you are.

You never know - especially if you don't entertain the possibility.
 
 
gale
18:06 / 16.11.04
Muppet, Thanks for posting that!

I am not at all sure if angels are really concerned about who is running our government.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
00:07 / 17.11.04
I don't think there's any reasonable way of suggesting that The Masons are in control.

After all, both of the candidates in the last presidential race were Skull and Bones.

As for the real/unreal, I'm comfortable enough with the reliability of the "astral sight" I have - most magicians of a certain bent have it a bit, I have it a bit more than that, but a halucination would be seeing and angel which isn't there, not just seeing an angel, if you get what I'm saying...

I'm still blown away.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
01:41 / 19.11.04
Ok, I've had a bit more time to think this over. Here's where I'm holding on this now.

Let's assume, and it's not at all unreasonable, that Angels are in some sense objectively real. As real as a sigil or a servitor, certainly, and in my opinion very likely as real as a human being, if somewhat differently constructed.

I think the key issue is free will. Angelic communication is notoriously difficult, even dangerous: John Dee damn near ruins his life, and the Angels of Enoch are really hardcore entities who it appears to be rather dangerous even to contact, at least using those methods not because they're "Evil" but because they hold humans to very high standards indeed, and live at energy levels which we mortals are poorly suited to.

By the time you get to Scottish Rite you've gone a long way: although it's probably possible, if you're in the right lodge at the right time, to actually go from a non-Mason to 32nd degree in a matter of months, that's largely because of rapidly declining lodge membership. I waited four years between Master Mason and Scottish Rite because I felt the initiations hadn't matured yet, hadn't ripened.

I had to make significant progress too. It was not a matter of waiting for time to pass, but rather a matter of "feeling invited."

At that point, I was saying to the universe "what I have had so far is good, and I want more." - and not only to the universe, but apparently to These Angels.

So back to the free will thing: at that point, I think I crossed some kind of threshold - "informed consent."

I still feel energy moving around inside my aura, a lot of symbols I don't recognize which look masonic in general character, and some script which looks unfamiliar but Enochian (no, it's not clear enougy to my vision to write down). There's a feeling of near-overload on some levels, and smooth normal function on others and generally speaking a whole lot of radiance.

Anyway, the free will thing: I think that the reason the payload is in the further degrees, and probably doesn't really *take* unless you're ready, is that you need the intention has to be there, the informed consent. "If you liked the first three degrees, and you're ready, really ready, we'll take you there."

I was comfortable with that deal. I didn't know who or what I was making it with, and I certainly had some suspitions (Satanic? Just a taste, followed by bait and switch? It crossed my mind!!!) so I was going in with faith based on results to date. That is, I think, rather important. Free will being one of the key and primary differences between Men and Angels in most takes on the theology.

I feel this deep, deep sense of *connection* now.

The key, I think, is the sense of a partnership between beings with free will, Humans, and Angels, who are likely without it in the sense we are. Under what conditions would that kind of an arrangement be possible? Would the Humans lose some free will in the arrangement, something like matching frequencies with the Angelic? Possibly. There might be vows and oaths which would close off certain options.

On the other hand, what's the Angelic Agenda for Human Life? Well, again, the general theology suggests it's rather good. And if one was advancing that agenda, would not an angelic Pact (and I think that's basically what I'm suggesting this particular level of Masonry is) provide tools, organization, support? I think it would, and has.

And once again, free will... I don't feel constrained in how I live or what I choose to create but there's a clear sense of "Do The Right Thing And Be Supported... Or Don't.... and Don't." Like matching frequencies. Roll out this agenda and be part of this Big Team, or do something else and don't.

The Ordinary, non-Magical mason signs up for instruction in morals and ethics. At the Blue Lodge level, the vows are simple enough: aid for the distressed of various kinds, some basic "don't do sneaky stuff to other masons" type stuff, and a good chunk of "keep your mouth shut."

Free will. Simple moral, ethical human behavior isn't angelic, but if a lot of people acted that way, the human world would be so much better. Even a few people doing it greatly improve the quality of live for everybody they come across. Real honesty is a light in the world.

So at that level, it's simple: your typical Masons get in, get some energy-body rewiring which makes them more honest, more upstanding, and in return for this service, make some vows which are either (generally speaking) charitable and supportive in general intent or secrecy about a limited set of things in defined circumstances. I suspect that for magicians, for people who're more conscious, the potential for contact is a lot larger.

I haven't actually tried invoking the entities I saw that day within the privacy of my own temple, I'm not ever sure to go about how, but I don't get the feeling it would be an unwelcome act.

I'm not sure how much more I can say about all this. I have a feeling that I'm laying out a door mat: "this is my experience of initial contact. I get the feeling the entities involved want it made semi-public."

Now I suspect I'm going to go off and spend a few years (rest of my lifetime?) developing these contacts and seeing just exactly what I can do with myself. I'd already, many years ago, dedicated my life to trying to get food, shelter and housing for a lot of people who would not otherwise have it, to making a difference in these simple ways. But I am and remain a magician and sometimes the most effective ways to help are not the most obvious ones. War and famine are caused by subtle things, disharmonies and economic imbalances, and a life saved by one route is as good as a life saved by another, is it not? At least in many cases.

Yeah, I feel like a proper transcriptionist tonight.

So there you have it. One report: Massive Angelic Contact Through Masonic Ritual.

Your milage may vary but you have heard my full and true account.
 
 
gale
16:14 / 19.11.04
I am finding this fascinating, muppet. Again, thank you for posting it.

I have two questions:
Regarding the symbols you are "seeing," do you see a lot at once, as if written on a page, or one at a time?

How different do you think angels are from humans? Lon Duquette (writing as Lamed ben Clifford) wrote in the Chicken Qabalah that people shouldn't spend so much time and energy trying to shut down their physical/wordly/ego selves, and that angels would give their left wings to experience existence they way we do. Have you gotten any sense that through engaging in a relationship with angels, there will be a reciprocal factor--ie, here's what it's like for me, what's it like for you--where you would both learn and develop accordingly?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
19:44 / 19.11.04
symbols: they seem to be scattered and hidden, like there's a lot of stuff in the "between places" in the energy system, and I can sort of pull them out into awareness. I don't think they're actually symbols per-se - they're energies which seem to be represented as symbols for my convenience.

And it's pretty one-at-a-time - foreground one, examine, put back.

As for the how-angels-differ-from-humans, I don't know. I kinda feel like these particular guys are here to get stuff done, period. The vibe is almost school teacherish.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
19:56 / 19.11.04
On top of that... well, from Hinduism, we say that this world is a "dynamic range" world - that the thing which makes this world a Good Place is the massive distance between the highs and lows of the world, between the heavens and hells of human experience.

In a single lifetime, one can go from hell to paradise to purgatory to hell to paradise, to enlightenment. Or just cycle around, or try and get into a great place and stay there.

I get the feeling that the other spiritual worlds tend to be bland, from the reading and accounts I've read of people visiting them, like Yogananda's transcription of his conversation with Sri Yukteswar in "Autobiography of a Yogi."
 
 
eye landed
23:47 / 19.11.04
there is information available on the angel agenda. here is a highly amusing example. basics: angels are bureaucrats, and if we could be so logical as to fit into their system, everything would work out perfectly.

but even a system with perfectly balanced flow of energy/resources will eventually contain a malignant part. only the conceit of the system can proclaim that part worthy of destruction for the greater good.

the system requires malignancy because perfection is not selfaware. only a threat or a surprise (a forced change in the operation of the system) allows consciousness and will.

but enough about the ethical implications.

how can you be sure the 'old men' were not aware of the angels? maybe they were just used to them. pointing and shouting 'holy crap! its an angel!' probably violates some kind of (unspoken) etiquette, as proved by your not shouting it. maybe they all half-wonder theyve gone mad.

do the masons have a good library? do they give you new and better grimoires as you advance? do you tell the masons about barbelith or is it a one way street?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
04:08 / 20.11.04
Urantia.... *hrm*.... oik, which bit did you have in mind, there's like 800 pages there....

The Old Men sure don't act like they're aware of what's going on. I asked some of the younger, more magically inclined Old Men (Junior Old Men, we'll call 'em) and they were like *REALLY*??? YOU CAN SEE STUFF LIKE THAT???

I haven't got a chance to talk to the hard core magicians in the posse yet, though. Next week, probably.

The Scottish Rite cathedral does indeed have a huge library, but almost entirely populated with texts in common circulation and use.

If there's a secret wing, nobody's told me about it. Of course... that doesn't mean a damn thing. And there's no tuition to speak of. There used to be something along the lines of night classes - academic study of the craft - but that seems to be a thing of the past, at least in this jurisdiction.

As for the two way street, well, I know some (Masonic) folks who've got a good read of The Invisibles coming their way. And I wouldn't be surprised of Promethea becomes pretty popular among the lads who've got a Kabbalistic bent...
 
 
LVX23
04:36 / 20.11.04
Fascinating! Nice to hear the Masons are doing things right. I really resonate with the notion of raising vibration through integrity and honor. It takes much more discipline to do good, but the reward is a certain bliss of reunion.

I'm also intrigued by your suggestion that other realms are considerably more bland than ours, and that other-dimensional beings might long to visit our humble reality. like we're sort of a Club Med of emotion that highly logical ascended beings might vacation to (Whatever happens in vegas, stays in Vegas...). Seems reasonable to consider that perhaps some such visitors get hooked and lie fallen in our streets or locked in asylums.

Ah, so might these entities have been Secret Chiefs? Are the high Masons that have passed away? Is it reasonable to assume that most angels were once human?

Fascinating...
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
05:10 / 20.11.04
Heh. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Hinduism suggests that high planes - astral worlds - are marked by very long lifespans and often tend to be rather uniform. In those planes, beings incarnate on one plane or another based on their own emotional energy, so entire "worlds" tend to be dominated by a single emotion. The more pleasant the emotion, the nicer the plane, and the longer the lifespan.

Fill yourself with bliss, pop your clogs, be reborn in some plane dominated by the emotion of bliss, and filled with people who were drawn there by that emotion.

The Physical Worlds are said to be different: people are drawn here by their attraction to matter, to physicality, and stuff is *crammed*together* relative to astral worlds, which are much airier. Our world is said to be "off axis" - featuring such minor quirks as solar and lunar cycles which are off by 1.25 days (i.e. 365.25 day year vs 28 * 13 = 364 day lunar cycle) and astrological precession, resulting in the 24000 year "long cycle" of the Yugas.

So beings incarnate here when the energy is up, and then as the energy of the planet tanks during the Kali Yuga, they get trapped. Yukteswar, Yogananda's Guru talks extensivvely about this stuff in some of his books.

Anyway, this is said, in the Hindu tradition, to be a particularly complex place, where beings can experience an absolutly massive and indescribably wide range of phenomena.

Masonry talks about a "Celestial Lodge" which is, I'm rationally assuming, where dead masons go if they choose. I rather have my sights set somewhere else personally, but I wouldn't be surprised if dead masons do indeed hang out in such a place. As for the progress from Human to Angel, and perhaps vise versa, I don't know. I can't look at Winston Churchill without seeing a Cherub (you know, the Angels which look like babies) or, rather, a Kerub, Kerubim, flaming sword denying entry to England to the Bad Guy.

Yeah.

I don't think Angels were once human by-and-large, though. I really don't think those guys have Been Here. Mebbe a few, but OMFG this is a fucking hard, bad-ass plane. It's a *maelstrom* and I doubt delicate, refined entities get into the flesh here very often. An occasional Gandhi or King, perhaps, but I think it's an exception. Likewise, I just don't *get* the Angelic.. what the heck do they do with their time? Lie around on clouds playing harp? I don't know.

Yeah.

I don't know. There's a lot to find out, a lot to learn, but I think our world and their worlds are pretty distinct and likely to remain so. I think the guys I saw may be like the Peace Core - citizens of the First World who come and do thier shift for the development of their character and to help out - but who also go home.

I'm sure they'd be delighted if we got our act together, stopped being so violent and miserable, and the place stabilized enough for them to come and visit in physical bodies, perhaps even make residences here in the long haul. But right now I think it's more charity which brings them, compassion and deep love for the entire human race - perhaps we're their relatives - rather than any desire to be here personally.

Earth is a Mosh Pit relative to the Classical Music of the Celestial Spheres. I think all available sources agree, at least the ones I've read.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
05:11 / 20.11.04
Oh, and Secret Chiefs? Sure. I think it's entirely plausible that beings much like the ones I saw, the larger ones for sure, could conceivably have been the ones that talked to the Golden Dawn. Although didn't they think of their Secret Chiefs as being embodied adepts, people in human form, elsewhere on the globe?
 
 
Unconditional Love
07:37 / 20.11.04
i think these secret chiefs could well be embodied in all planes aware of them selves in all planes and all times, or moments if you prefer, all spacetime in one form and moment experienced as seperate planes and times due to the sometimes clumsy applications of consciousness to create divisions. perhaps. i am assuming a secret chief is a being that is aware of the unity of all being. or as close as it is possible for a being to be that is unbound.

id be intrested if you could relate these angelic encounters within the experience of enochian or the older grimoires of such experience and relation, i would think there would be cross correlation of angelic experience.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
16:43 / 20.11.04
I don't know. I have no real experience with the Enochiana, but the *feel* is really different from what happened.

Doesn't mean it's different entitities, although I think it probably is - after all, there was no running around with tablets etc. to invoke - and the beings that showed up seemed a lot more.... well.... forgiving than what I've read about the Enochian Angels.

And I know nothing at all about other angelic magical systems.
 
 
vajramukti
16:52 / 20.11.04


I can't say that I've ever >seen< an angel. although i have felt them. i think the visuals are the nervous system interpreting a certain kind of wavelength, but that's neither here nor there.

It makes me think of the writing of rudolph steiner actually. he claims that the universe is entirely composed of beings at different levels of consciousness. all the way from mineral and chemical consciousness up to the godhead. it's an interlocking fractal of self generating mind.

my buddhist teacher has said that every single blade of grass, every rock and twig is looked over by a deva which is just another word for angel. so it's not suprising to see the masonic lodge overrun with angels of various sizes. some have small jobs, others much larger. we're all being looked after by more angels than we could count in our lifetimes. we just don't turn to them very often.

apparently in the angelic realms things are pretty regimented. those beings have their function and not much else. most of them don't know anything else. in that sense they're almost robots compared to us. we're free to dial up and down the sprial of consciousness, limited only by our level of awareness.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
19:20 / 20.11.04
Yeah, I'd agree about the visuals... although I'd add that I think the same is true of our regular sight and other senses. Fundamentally it's all just mapping energy into the illusion of the senses, and that's true whether one's looking at it from a hard science perspective or a purely mystical one.

I get the feeling, though, that those Lodge Angels are a somewhat different class of entitites to the Devas Of Stuff... if they're guardians of something, it's more like being Guardians of abstract properties or wisdoms...
 
 
SteppersFan
20:23 / 21.11.04
Good stuff Muppet, sounds like it's working for you. Sounds a bit like my Wiccan initiation.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
22:57 / 21.11.04
Do tell!!!
 
  
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