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Drumming and dreaming and power animals

 
 
JOY NO WRY
16:11 / 15.11.04
Once of my modules at university is Animals and People, a wild module which basically concentartes on their interaction. One seminar, which I just had, attempts to recreate the tribal animal-dreaming state achieved through ritual use of repetative sounds.

The drumming was recorded, and rather than dancing about, the class lay in darkness and attempted to follow the instructions that the seminar leader had told us: which were to concentrate on the (recorded) drumming, and imagine finding a way into the earth, going as deep as you could until you broke out into an open-air, lit (lower) world. Once there you have to observe the local fauna until, if one repeatedly presents itself to you, you have your power animal.

Now, whilst I did have some dreams involving animals, I never managed to break out into the lower world. Would that be particualy significant from a spiritual/magical point of view? Does it mean that my imagination was simply lacking? Would it be better on acid?

[I'm generally quite cynical but I did find this experience very interesting, and I'm considering buying (or downloading) some of those rythmic, unchanging drum beats, if anyone knows any good examples. Thanks]
 
 
Olulabelle
18:02 / 15.11.04
Kapok, what on earth do you study at University?!

I've not personally come across Shamanic journeying (which was basically what you were doing) being done with pre-recorded drumming, although that's not to say it's not perfectly acceptable. My only experience is of the Shaman who takes you on your journey doing the drumming himself, because the drum is part of the Shaman's 'tool kit' if you like.

Presumably the person who led your Shamanic journey was a Shaman?

I don't think your imagination was lacking though, I've heard people say you have to trust in your vision, and certainly that's sometimes a fairly difficult thing to do.

I'd also say that finding and meeting your power animal is supposed to be a hugely moving spiritual experience and has great significance for you as a person. Therefore, I guess if it were me embarking on this quest I'd rather initially find my animal using nothing but the Shamanic journey itself as my method, and then go on an 'assisted' visit once I'd done that.
 
 
Charlie's Horse
19:14 / 15.11.04
What a crazy school you attend, Kapok. Actually, at UGA I've had some similiar experiences through class, what with a guided meditation day in a psych course and someone instructing us on rudimentary 'energy work' for a drug and alcohol class.

Anyway, now that I've shared, I think your concern about a 'failure of imagination' isn't necessary if you've only tried something like this once. It's akin to sitting down and trying meditation once, and wondering why you can't achieve enlightenment right off the bat. Or signing up for a sport and wondering if you're 'just not strong enough' because things went poorly on the first day. This kind of work takes practice like anything else. If it didn't - if you got a power animal on the first try - then would you really care about it? Would it seem like a significant gain to you if little to no effort was involved? Keep it up, though, and the practice will probably reward you.

Also, what kind of animal related dreams did you have, anyway? What animal(s)? What do you expect to get out of a relationship with a power animal?

Oh, and this site has a very interesting alternative to the standard shamanic journey techniques. Go to 'Dub Shamanics' and then select 'The Drift' if you're interested. You might like another angle on how to enter a shamanic space.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
20:13 / 15.11.04
for more info, I thnk the authors name is Michael Lahner

the book is called Way of the Shaman (I think anyway...it is in my dads at the moment and so I am working from memory)
I seem to remember:
It gives a warning that if an animal bares it's teeth to you, then you should avoid contact and abandon the session. I also seem to remember it said you should avoid snakes and spiders but again, this is purely from memory and I am sure there are different perspectives and others on here who are happy to have a spider as a power animal

Never done this myself but it sounds fascinating


On the subject of spiders, weird thing is I have been mulling over contacting the spider spirits and whilst I do not or cannot reach what some would call Astral levels or other forms of contact, I have been having daydream like conversations with the 'Spider Spirit' in my head. This has been lighthearted but basically, I agreed that I would try to think more favourably towards the eight legged bretheren and ensure their survival whenever necessary, if the spider spirit would allow me to lose my disabling fear over them
Well last night my mum shouted me to come and move a spider. Usually, I would cringe but I got a glass and as careful as I could, took the spider outside and let it go. No real fear was present until I had to pick the glass up in the dark outside and I didn't know whether it had gone or not. It was as if I suddenly remembered I was shit scared of spiders. It wasn't particularly big but the fact that I calmly got it into the glass was still impressive by my standards
Sorry to divert your thread and I hope that others can give you more relevent advice but I thought you might find my spider story interesting and at least it deals with contacting animal spirits.
Good luck
 
 
Olulabelle
22:27 / 15.11.04
I'm not sure I agree about the meditation thing actually. Meditation is, by definition something that needs to be practiced. However, being taken on a Shamanic journey (to find your power animal or for whatever other reason you are undertaking it) is more a question of allowing yourself to trust in yourself and the Shaman and following the 'path.'

I would have said that the whole point of meditation is that one repeatedly practices it in order to eventually have enough control over the mind and random thought to shut it down completely and experience absolute peace. Shamanic journeying is almost the exact opposite, surely? In a Shamanic journey you are allowing your consiousness to go where it wishes, you just follow it without trying to control, stifle or change it in any way.
 
 
Charlie's Horse
00:10 / 16.11.04
The process of 'letting go' and 'trusting in myself' actually took a decent bit of practice and experience before I could do it for any length of time. Mayhap that's just my own insanity, but I felt it relevent, especially for someone who mentions being 'generally quite cynical,' a tag I used to tack on after my name as well. Cynicism was a defensive wall between myself and going with the flow, and the only thing that broke through was repetedly trying to get there.

Is the mental process between meditation and a shamanic journey different? I guess it can be. Not so much for me, but possibly. That's a distinction that might lie outside the scope of this thread. I only mentioned it because both techniques normally require repeated use to yield serious results.

Unless you're just naturally that good. But who is? ; )
 
 
Olulabelle
00:20 / 16.11.04
I dunno, it's just odd that everyone I know who has undertaken a proper Shamanic journey (navigated by an experienced Shaman) managed to come out of it with some sort of result.

Came out feeling inspired and revitalised.

Then compare that to Yoga in the suburbs.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:21 / 16.11.04
I'm not sure I agree about the meditation thing actually. Meditation is, by definition something that needs to be practiced. However, being taken on a Shamanic journey is more a question of allowing yourself to trust in yourself

Aye, but it can often take a bit of time and commitment before you can relax and open up enough for things to start working properly, which is possibly where the parallels with meditation can be drawn. The more you journey, the more familiar you become with your own "internal terrain", and if you stick with the process you will eventually get better at navigating that sort of territory. You get more comfortable with what you're doing and it starts to come easier. I'd say that trusting in yourself enough to get the most from journeying is as much a learned skill as meditation, and I wouldn't beat yourself up if it takes a few false starts to hit your stride.

for more info, I think the authors name is Michael Lahner

Almost right, he's called Michael Harner. I'm slightly uncomfortable with Harner's output and representation of the Jivaro journeying methods... but I can't seem to structure my thoughts on it very well at the moment. It has something to do with the way a specific technique from a specific tribe (drum led inner journeying) has been widely marketed on the western weekend workshop circuit as "shamanism", almost to the exclusion of other practices and possible definitions.

If you approach any non-academic text on shamanism, you'll invariably be served up a version of Jivaro journeying, based almost entirely on Harner's representation of that material. Other aspects of a shamanic perspective, such as, say, a close connection to the physical landscape, relationships with ancestral spirits, and service to the community are largely overlooked in favour of the more immediately marketable "inner journeying" stuff. It creates a climate where anyone can pay £200 quid, learn a variation of this technique, and set themselves up as a "shaman", without really considering any of the broader all encompassing aspects of what that role might entail.

I'd say that even some of the people who do set themselves up with a "shamanic practice", charging £30 quid a shot for healing sessions, generally tend not to involve themselves with the level of commitment, personal investment and living connection to landscape, ancestors, and community (i.e, the people in your life) that I think characterises the shamanic role. They are perhaps closer to freelance healers than anything else. Granted, some aspects of the role can be difficult to relate to a 21st century western city, but I think a more imaginative update could be attempted than the rather commodified, alternative therapy angle that passes for much western shamanism.

Harner's book "Way of the Shaman" is a good read though, and the Jivaro journeying method is a useful technique to experiment with. I've certainly had more success with it than any of the western ceremonial derived methods of "astral projection" or whatever. I think my problems with this stuff have got more to do with the weekend workshop industry that the material is closely intertwined with, and the idea that shamanism is just this one specific technique from one specific tribe, that tends to proliferate quite widely. But as I said, my thoughts on this are a bit vague and not fully formed, so certainly open to revision.

Oh, and this site has a very interesting alternative to the standard shamanic journey techniques. Go to 'Dub Shamanics' and then select 'The Drift' if you're interested.

That's my article you're quoting, so I'm obviously slighty biased, but the way you refer to "the standard shamanic journeying techniques" does seem to illustrate what I'm getting at. It's like the Jivaro tribe have somehow got the franchise on shamanism and what it means, due to the popularity of one book and the rather lucrative industry that has sprung up around it.
 
 
JOY NO WRY
11:45 / 16.11.04
Well, I study Social Anthropology, but like I said, this is a wild module. Animals And People is actually part of the conservation degree I think.

My seminar leader is not, or at least has never suggested that he is, a shaman. However we have been studying the shamanic figure for a while and he, like my lecturers from my Social Anthropology modules, has lived with, or at least had sustained contact with, an indigenous people.

From the point of view furthered by this module, the shamanic experience shares an awful lot of similarities throughout the world, and I think the leader was attempting to create a sort of architypal shamanic experience.

I truely wasn't expecting anything from it, being pretty cynical, but some people had experiences, and like I said, I was intruiged.

In terms of what happened to me, I was mostly concerned that it didn't fit the expected pattern. I could imagine going into the earth (Through a tree stump, in my case), then crawling through a tight earth tunnel, the coming out on to a wide stone spiral staircase, running around the outside of a cyclindrical chamber too deep and dark for me to see the bottom of.

The seminar leader had told us that there may be some ambiguity between where imagination ends and something else begins. With the staircase, I began to feel like this.
He had also told us that we would (hopefully), break out into a well lit, open skied world, and see many animals. He told us that it was generally accepted you needed to see an animal three times for you to able to call it a 'power animal' and that cold blooded creatures were generally considered too dangerous for unexperienced people to form a bond with.

Well eventually I started falling down the center of this chamber, dreamed I was in dark water, and felt that I was moving strangely. This is where my 'animal experience' is, if it even qualifies. I could only describe my movement in terms of a fish or a centipede. Those were the images that I had. Not that I'd met one, but that I was one. I was a fish or whatever.

Well from there it got less interesting. It became more mundane. I dreamed that I was still in bed with my ex girlfriend, and that all the time that I'd spent away, and at university, was a dream that I was waking up from. I dreamed that a line of cold was drawn around my body like a white line. Other, 'normal dream' stuff like that. And then I heard the drumming signal that we were supposed to listen to to come back, and (following the instructions my seminar leader had given), retraced the journey down I'd taken, and came back out of the tree stump.

Other people in my class had dreams about meeting Jaguars, or seeing lots of animals in the underworld, and I felt I'd missed something.

I may well give it another go, especially after next terms module, 'People and Plants', which is almost entirely an invstigation of hallucinagens and our interaction with them.

(Also I think "The Way of the Shaman" is on the reading list for one of my modules, not sure its this one)
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:21 / 16.11.04
He told us that it was generally accepted you needed to see an animal three times for you to able to call it a 'power animal' and that cold blooded creatures were generally considered too dangerous for unexperienced people to form a bond with.

This is the sort of thing that bothers me, received knowledge that probably has specific meaning within the cultural context it originally comes from, passed from book to book as "generally accepted" fact, without much explanation why. I think that journeying and shamanism in general is far weirder, twistier and more interesting than this step by step recipe book stuff that gets touted around endlessly as "the truth of shamanism".

Other people in my class had dreams about meeting Jaguars, or seeing lots of animals in the underworld, and I felt I'd missed something.

It's almost as if meeting your power animal is somehow the special prize of shamanism, and that every drum led internal journey must automatically conform to the model of upper world, lower world, and fantastic talking beasts with wisdom. I think that's mad. It presupposes that there actually "is" some shared inner world populated by Disney-esque beings, and if you don't have that exact experience you are not doing it properly. That seems to me a vast over-simplification of what actually happens when you journey, and these experiences should be allowed to take on their own shape a bit more and teach you what they want to teach you, rather than being shoehorned into a particular culturally specific framework. From what you've said, it sounds like you feel your own experience of what actually happened "in journey" is somehow invalidated because you didnt meet a talking panther... which seems to miss the point a bit. It's a bit like goal orientated meditation, where someone is meditating fr the sole purpose of "getting enlightened" as if it's some final destination, rather than meditating simply for the benefits of meditation itself.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:16 / 16.11.04
.... I also seem to remember it said you should avoid snakes and spiders...

Funny that, 'cos amongst the Jivaro, Tarantulas & Anacondas were common power animals. Mind you, they also practiced head-hunting and 'apprenctice' shamans were expected to give their teachers a decent hunting rifle as part of their initiation fee. Odd how little details like that have been edged out of all this trendy 'new age' shamanic stuff.
 
 
Seth
15:54 / 16.11.04
I dreamed that I was still in bed with my ex girlfriend, and that all the time that I'd spent away, and at university, was a dream that I was waking up from. I dreamed that a line of cold was drawn around my body like a white line.

Fascinating. What makes you think this isn't acceptable content? Sounds like there might be something there worth paying attention to, but you be the judge...
 
  
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