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Colin Powell's resignation has been tendered.

 
 
Francine I
13:33 / 15.11.04
This cannot be good.
 
 
Francine I
13:36 / 15.11.04
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/15/powell/index.html
 
 
FinderWolf
14:02 / 15.11.04
One of the few voices of reason in the Bush cabinet has left the building.

I don't blame him - he was outnumbered and clearly no one wanted to listen to his more moderate ideas. He was humiliated by taking that awful "they have WMDs!" speech to the U.N. He's compromised himself in more ways than any man should have to about major global matters.
 
 
ibis the being
14:09 / 15.11.04
From the link above -

Powell is the most prominent of four Cabinet officials whose resignations will be announced Monday, sources told CNN.

The others will be Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, Education Secretary Rod Paige and Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, the sources said.

Powell told his senior staff that he planned to stay on until a replacement was confirmed, State Department officials said.

State Department officials told CNN that Bush and Powell decided mutually that it was time for him to go.


So it was a mutual breakup. How nice.

No one should be too surprised about Powell's resignation, given all the hinting and rumors about the inevitability of such an event. But at a certain point, someone's got to start asking questions. (HELLO? American media? Peterson trial's over, maybe start covering real news??) If one or two officials resign from a given Administration, it's fair enough to say the reasons were personal and don't reflect on the success/failure/corruption of the President. But how many has Bush lost now, counting these four, Ashcroft, and everyone who left last term? And isn't it grossly unfair and unethical for all of these people to quit BushCo and not tell the American people exactly what's going on in the White House?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
15:44 / 15.11.04
Combined with the CIA purge this is scary as hell. It means that dissenting voices (and Powell was a party-line Republican hawk, not Michael Bloody Moore) are becoming rarer in the Bush Administration Mk2. Part of me doesn't accept for one second that Colin Powell just wants to spend some time fishing in Martha's Vineyard, and that his resignation wasn't exactly 'mutual'. I only hope that one of those resigning will talk to the press about the real internal structure and long-term goals of the Bush camp, though I very much doubt it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:56 / 15.11.04
And isn't it grossly unfair and unethical for all of these people to quit BushCo and not tell the American people exactly what's going on in the White House?

Well, y'know, give the boy time!

And yes, I know, he probably won't. But still...
 
 
Francine I
17:34 / 15.11.04
From CNN -

"...and senior sources said national security adviser Condoleezza Rice is his likely successor."
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
22:46 / 15.11.04
Guardian November 15, 2004

The publication of BBC broadcaster James Naughtie's book on Tony Blair's relations with the Bush administration was trailed by the allegation that Mr Powell told Jack Straw that Washington neo-conservatives including Mr Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz, Mr Rumsfeld's deputy, were "fucking crazies".
 
 
Francine I
12:31 / 16.11.04
I don't believe it deserves it's own thread exactly, but Tom Ridge, Secretary of the U.S. Homeland Security Department, has also resigned.
 
 
sleazenation
12:37 / 16.11.04
What are the circumstances - is it possible that Ridge is headed for the supreme court? As I understand it people need not have any training as a lawyer to or a judge to take a position in the supreme court...
 
 
Chiropteran
12:48 / 16.11.04
If one or two officials resign from a given Administration, it's fair enough to say the reasons were personal and don't reflect on the success/failure/corruption of the President. But how many has Bush lost now, counting these four, Ashcroft, and everyone who left last term?

Apparently this isn't that unusual for a second-term administration - for instance, Clinton had 7 cabinet changes after reelection. Now, if they were all made explicitly as protest resignations, that might be a different story (and also a suppressed one, I'm sure).

Also, Powell has made it known (quietly) pretty much all along that he only intended to stay for a single term. It (apparently) wasn't a job he was comfortable or happy in, partly because of the administration and the highly partisan cabinet, but also because it just wasn't a good fit with his personality - he wasn't a politician, per se, and felt awkward in that capacity.
Still, I have to say that he's the cabinet member I'm least happy to lose right now. And I'm terribly uncomfortable with the thought of Ms. Rice taking his place...

~L
 
 
alas
13:30 / 16.11.04
While you don't HAVE to be a judge or a lawyer to be on the Supreme Court, I'd be very surprised if Ridge was going that way. Had you heard something to that effect, Sleaze?

Not that I haven't been bowled over by the arrogance and bald partisanship of this administration before . . .
 
 
Liger Null
13:43 / 16.11.04
Apparently this isn't that unusual for a second-term administration - for instance, Clinton had 7 cabinet changes after reelection.

I heard this morning on NPR that Clinton had 11 cabinet changes. The loss of Powell saddens but does not surprise me. Ashcroft's resignation, however, does.
 
 
sleazenation
13:48 / 16.11.04
I have heard nothing about Ridge - One commentator mooted the supreme court judge role as an outside possibility for Colin Powell. I figured that Ridge might be a stronger possibility for that role since his star did not seem in decent in the same way that Powell has.
 
 
alas
13:48 / 16.11.04
Here's the NYTimes today on Powell's resignation:

Good Soldier Powell

As Secretary of State Colin Powell resigned yesterday, reportedly to be succeeded by the national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, it was hard to avoid the feeling that this imposing figure - who once personified the dignity, integrity and promise of government service and was the first African-American considered to have a shot at the White House - will be remembered for one picture and three sentences.

On Feb. 5, 2003, in an appearance before the United Nations Security Council, Mr. Powell, the retired four-star general and former national security adviser, held up a vial of white powder as a symbol of what he claimed - falsely, as it turned out - were Iraq's huge stockpiles of anthrax. He offered a scathing indictment of Saddam Hussein. "My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources,'' he said. "These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."

As an increasingly angry world soon learned, Mr. Powell in fact offered half-truths, poorly analyzed intelligence and outright fantasies, from a nuclear weapons program in Baghdad that didn't exist to wildly exaggerated estimates of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons stockpiles and its ties to Al Qaeda.

But at the time, Mr. Powell's performance convinced many Americans skeptical about the war that the Iraqi government was a clear and present danger to the rest of the world. His enormous stature and his image as a moderating force within the administration - valued especially by America's European allies - were squandered in defending a unilateral decision he did not agree with to launch a war in which he did not really seem to believe.

From the start of his tenure as secretary of state, there was a question about which Colin Powell had moved into Foggy Bottom. Was it the decisive, charismatic general who coined a military doctrine that called for waging war only after the establishment of a political consensus behind achievable goals and then the commitment of overwhelming force to reach those ends? Or was it the faithful soldier who prized loyalty above all else?

Mr. Powell began with promise, forcing the long-neglected issues of Africa to the forefront of the administration's agenda. Even after 9/11, when those issues naturally took the back seat, the über-Powell was forever being rumored to be on the cusp of emerging and asserting himself over Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and even Vice President Dick Cheney.

But it's now clear that Mr. Powell long ago chose loyalty over leadership and was not a major figure in the biggest foreign policy decisions of the Bush administration. Most accounts of the rush to war in Iraq show that Mr. Powell was deeply troubled about the planning for the war, its timing and the intense opposition of most of Washington's European allies. But he was unwilling or unable to exert much influence over the president in that critical time, and it's not clear whether Mr. Bush even consulted him before making his decision to go to war.

There were moments in his tenure when Mr. Powell could have resigned over principle. But he soldiered on, leaving when it was safe and convenient for his boss. Yesterday, he told the world that he'd long ago given up any ambition of sticking around for a second term. In the end, his legacy may simply be that the administration that bungled the handling of a war because the president failed to heed the Powell Doctrine was the one in which Mr. Powell himself served.
 
  
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