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Tomorrow I'm taking the 32 Degree of Scottish Rite Masonry.

 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
03:50 / 13.11.04
Hey folks, tomorrow I'm taking the 32nd degree of Scottish Rite masonry.

You'll note I'm still a Rabidly Anti-Bush (and not particularly Pro-Kerry) Sorceror, Heritic, Freak, Magician and Bastard Around Town. There's a lot more of that in Masonry than you'd think: Masonry is for people like us, if we choose.

The commitments the order asks for get in the way of very little, but membership opens a lot of doors, both inner and outer, and Masonry still far-and-away the most successful revolutionary organization in known history. Masons had the revolution, and skipped the bloodbath, dictator, uprising, bloodbath cycle which claimed the French Revolution, the Communist Revolutions and the Anarchist Revolts, and gave us America, a Nation of Sorcerors if there ever was one.

Masonry's ranks are at such a low level that well over half of the lodges in America are in danger of closing inside of ten years. The membership situation is desparate, and a prospective candidate under 30 or 40 is royalty. The massive membership boom after WW2 has given way to a titanic membership bust.

If you want to join, call your local lodge: they're in the phone book. Tell them that you're interested in Freemasonry because:

1> Your relative was a mason
or
2> The organization's role in history fascinates you
or
3> You've talked to people who were masons and what they said made the organization sound interesting, and you want to know more about Masonry.

And they'll send a couple of nice guys round to make sure you're not a three headed axe murderer - or at least that you can pretend not to be one for twenty minutes - and then they'll almost always admit you if you choose to ask. Note you have to ask: they're still not really allowed to offer.

Once you're in, they have three degrees of "Blue Lodge." - Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, Master Mason. There's some boring homework to do to qualify for the second two degrees but nothing onerous. There are vows and obligations which shouldn't trouble you, and if you want to know what they are, you can't ask a mason. But that doesn't mean than anybody with two brain cells can't discover as much as they please from, particularly, Fundie Christian sources who're very into publishing Masonic Secrets, and are often remarkably accurate, if you take out all the Satan Stuff. But I absolutely can't tell you anything about the secret stuff, ok?

After those three degrees, there's York Rite, Scottish Rite, and a bunch of other masonic bodies like The Shrine and so on. Again, online sources have a lot of details.

So what's in it for you as a Magician?

For me, the Second Degree was the most powerful magical initiation of my life, and blew me on my ass for weeks or months. I'm still untangling it's secrets.

How? Why? I don't know. It's a mystery, even from the inside. But the energy is very, very stong, and seems (at least to me, in the American branch) to be incredibly supportive of my efforts to live my own life as I choose. Liberal, even Libertarian in basic alignment, and (apart from a lot of Christian references) quite open to all kinds of religious practices. I'm pretty sure I could do the entire thing on a copy of the Bhaghavad Gita and not even raise an eyebrow.

So, consider this a report from the front. The terrain so far is good, even if the catering is a bit bad (never trust lodge food!). The fellowship is congenial, if occasionally rather geezeriffic.

I guess I'll know a lot more tomorrow, but tonight as I ready myself, I thought I'd share a little note. Masonry is alive and kicking, and there are a surprising number of genial and competent occultists in the under-40 set. I'm one, and you could be one too.

I'm Brother Muppet, and I approve this message.

S&F

Muppet
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
03:59 / 13.11.04
Oh yeah, and the SRIA - Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia - are the nice people who gave us the Golden Dawn system of magic, which in turn spawned Thelema. All of that stuff was masonic, as were most of the founders of the Golden Dawn.

And, yes, they don't let women in. And yes, that's stupid. But hard to change. But the French branch does, and they've got a growing presence in America.

I dunno. I'm expecting heavy flamage here so let me answer some of the obvious questions up front...
 
 
vajramukti
14:24 / 13.11.04
I dunno dude. makes perfect sense to me. most of us are hopelessly entangled in all kinds of ethically dubious aspects of society, like fractional-reserve banking, sweatshop labour, enviromentally damaging industrial porcesses, etc, that it makes hella good sense to pick some expressly positive affiliations, even if some of the history is a bit muddled.


on another note, it seems like most magicians need to get over this depressive outsider thing they've got going. it's getting kinda late in the game for our society to still be mulling around in the dark corners and bitching about what goes on in the halls of power. I'd be down for getting the inside track for sure. A very old and dear friend of mine was approached to join the masons a long time ago, and at the time i was so conspiracy minded i argued up and down for him not to do it. but with maturity and a little reading, you see that they are most likely just a well intentioned old boys club.
 
 
Pita
17:35 / 13.11.04
I have been thinking a lot lately of working with groups such as the masons acknowledging their contribution to the USian revolution really makes me think there is more there than conspiracy theory would have one believe
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
18:49 / 13.11.04
Y'know, i was actually considering joining the masons a while ago, but it seemed more trouble than it was worth.

Are the majority of freemasons interested in the occult, or do most members consider it as just a social order?

How tolerant is modern masonry, really? A lot of the books on the subject paint it as pretty anti-semitic..."and thou, Jubelum", and all that.

Do you have to be a member of any sort of organised religion to join the brotherhood? i know a lot of masonry is about acknowledging a higher power (correct me if I'm wrong), and my religious affiliation is vague at best.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:12 / 14.11.04
Cool, muppet, you've actually got me considering it. One (possible weird/silly) question - did you feel that any of the vows you took were dramatically restrictive or somehow led you to compromise your views/ethics/perspective on life?
 
 
betty woo
22:58 / 14.11.04
I know a couple of acknowledged Masons (and probably a few who don't talk about it) - one is a former OTO member and accomplished occultist, while the other two seem to be mostly in it for the social aspects. I'd be very interested in joining, but there's that pesky business of being female standing in the way, not to mention my distaste for organizations that have a problem with me being female. Even the auxillary organizations that admit women require you to be related to a Mason...
 
 
Querelle
01:08 / 15.11.04
Muppet, I'm curious to know what the general stance is among Masons on homosexuality and accepting homosexuals as members. In the past I had dismissed Freemasonry because of the stereotypes - being more of a geezer buddy-buddy social circle than a practical occult order, etc, but it's something I'd at least consider checking out if they wouldn't lynch me for digging cock. There's a rather large Masonic Temple in my city that would be cool to at least check out.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:01 / 15.11.04
The only question I have is, why all the secrecy? Are they planning on opening up anytime soon? That's basically the only thing stopping me from joining. It worries me that everything is so hush hush, and I don't really understand why.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
02:46 / 15.11.04
Wow.

Well, ok. here's the quick-and-sharp point: Elvis has not left the building, and Scottish Rite Masonry is a valid, powerful and incredibly alive spiritual and magical current.

I stayed up for 24 hours after the initiations, which took all day, then crashed and slept till 7PM.

The rites and rituals are enormously elaborate staged productions which feature many actors and long expositions. A lot of the content is *incredibly* Christian unless you pay very close attention, at which time it becomes clear that the spiritual stance being taken is actually using Christianity as a symbol or allegory for a much more general and interdenominational take on Man's relationship to God. As a Hindu, it took a bit of effort not to get a bit... just... "ARGH, NOT MORE JESUS STUFF!" but I hung in there and was rewarded. But you have to be prepared to remind yourself: "this is not about Jesus, or about the middle ages, this is about Man and God in the general case." Which it is, both explicitly and implicitly, but you've gotta be prepared to see the substance, not the forms.

Note that this is not at all the case in Blue Lodge masonry (that's the Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master Mason degrees) which are 90% less Christian in their ritual and construction.

All that they require, by the way, is a belief in a Supreme Being - a monotheist god or absolute reality. I believe that Hinduism qualifies, and I suspect that forms of Paganism in which the God and the Goddess are seen as a single unit maifesting in two forms would be fine. Buddhism in it's absolute forms (i.e. Theravada) may be a problem, but I don't think the Masons would have an issue with it, if the Buddhist was happy swearing an oath on their conception of Buddhamind. Detailed theological readings are unlikely. The "Great Architect Of The Universe" is a recurrent theme, and one ought to be comfortable dealing with the concept of such an entity. I believe that is fairly easy for most of us. Hardcore chaotic polytheisms, however, may have problems.

Sorry about the Man's bit too. It's a problem. Co-masonry is active in the USA and Europe, though, and they're said to be good people although I haven't met any. It's hard to modernize an order in which 40% of the membership is over 75.

I also, coincidentally, heard tale of a Gay Lodge in Chicago - it's a lodge in Boy's Town with nearly exclusively gay membership. There are a couple of gay guys in my lodge and there's no prejudice to speak of. However, your milage may vary: in a Kentucky lodge, expect to find people from Kentucky.

Nor have I found any signs of antisemitism, although I'm in a Chicago lodge with a large Jewish population.

The vows...

hrm.

Well, those are one of the few Actually Pretty Damn Secret bits. They do say, often and publically, however: Masonic vows will never compromise your

* duty to God
* duty to your Country
* duty to your Family
* duty to your self

So they're contextualized in that way. Similarly there are very carefully worded understandings of the limits of things like Masonic Secrecy. I think an honest man can go in without fear of binding oaths of an intrusive nature. York Rite, of which I am not yet a member, has **INTENSE** oaths of a kind not found in Scottish Rite, however. Things one would really need to think long and hard about.

For me, the anchor in dealing with these oaths is the set of duties which they assert they will never compromise: I consider those the superior claim. And I've never been in a situation in my life in which the Oaths were going to constrain my behavior, other than when asking questions. The Blue Lodge oaths are unlikely to cause issues.

The Scottish Rite ones... hrm. Yeah, ok, there's stuff in one of those oaths that's going to cramp my style a little in some situations, but that's probably an area of my life I needed to tighten up in anyway. The encouragement to clean up my act is not unwelcome even if I'm a bit like "awww... ok then."

But these are practical matters: so far, no oaths with any negative or adverse ethical impact on my life have been offered. I do believe that some people with some ethical codes (Liber Oz, say) would have a hard time, as would people who're interested in abstract ethical situations: it's possible to imagine places where the oaths could cause problems fairly easily, but one then has to fall back on the set of duties which are stated as never conflicting with the oaths...

(thinks)

Yeah, this is a complex bit. I do not feel compromised, but there's definitely some pressure to be a more upstanding citizen than I have been previously. Not a pressure to conform but definitely a sense of "tow the line kid."

I'm willing to make that effort in exchange for what I've been given, shown and initiated into.

The secrecy is simple: Masons believe a bunch of really odd things, and our rites and rituals would upset the heck out of a lot of people. The content of the degrees I took would have got the entire populace of the lodge burned at the stake in Catholic countries up until a few centuries ago. Not because there's devil worship or whatever, but because the theological content is heretical in many significant details, because it's mystical theology which expects Man to make an effort to Know God. And that's never popular.

There's also a lot of political stuff about Justice and Peace and generally making the world a better place, internationalism etc. Not universally popular or acceptible to all parties.

So, zip lips, keep low profile, continue rolling out projects. $500 million dollars a year plus of charitable donations, and clearly (oh, now oh so very clearly) the magical foundations of this great expieriment we call America.

Bro. Muppet
 
 
FinderWolf
13:34 / 15.11.04
One more question (and thanks for your lengthy and helpful responses, Mup) - do you get to find out what the oaths are and then decide if you want to commit to them? Can you 'just walk away' if it seems like not a good fit (as long as, I would imagine, you swear to secrecy you will not reveal or discuss the oaths with any non-Masons, even if you don't join up and take the oaths)?
 
 
_Boboss
13:44 / 15.11.04
um, you say 32nd degree but you only seem to say you've been through degrees 1 and 2 before. are the rest (3-32) bundled up into a single ritual, with 33 as like the final? who's got the 'best' system (i mean of the york rite, scotch rite, royal ark etc cos you hear so much about how blah blah no true knowledge lost after 1776 blah stuff)? are the rituals you're going through (given that you're a private occultist) exactly the same as the ones your bank-manager takes, or is there a different route for the esoterically inclined?

my grandad, dead thirty years before i was born, was a big mucky-muck in the masons in dublin and i've considered joining just to try to figure out what he might have been all about. plus, y'know, seems like a good way of getting a lawyer or two to do you a favour. do you know how it goes with moving lodges? can you go from one to another easily enough if you move house say?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
15:14 / 15.11.04
The oaths: nope, they spring 'em on you. At the end of each Degree, they have you take an oath, site unseen.

I, bless my little heart, didn't like the sound of that, so I dug them up on the Internet from Fundie Christian web sites. That's how I discovered the somewhat hard to swallow content of the York Rite oaths, for example: no Masonic source will reveal them, because they're usually considered to be an explicitly secret part of the system. That may be changing, but has not changed to my knowledge.

The "Blue Lodge Degrees" - 1, 2, 3 (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, Master Mason) are usually taken over the course of a year or so. Some jurisdictions have a "Blue Lightning" or "Grandmaster's Festival" where candidates can take all three in a day. I'd think twice beford going down that route simply because of the initiatic shock. Scottish Rite, at least in North America, tends to use a "Weekend" format, where they administer some half a dozen Degrees in a single day, one from each of the "Levels" of the Scottish Rite, resulting in one being taken to 32nd Degree without doing 29 Degrees. You fill in the other degrees later, basically.

In Europe, I believe they limit you to one degree a year. Each nation has different approaches to that.

"Best System" - well, York Rite, Scottish Rite etc. are only open after one has done the Blue Lodge degrees. York must be Ferociously Christian, given that Scottish Rite is the less-Christian branch and is still incredibly Christian. It's also much more explictly Knight Templar in mythology. Royal Arch is, at least in America, a York Rite Body (sub-group). In Europe it's a bit different. Many, if not most, America Masons are members of both. There are also a bunch of other groups like the Shrine, as you know.

Swtiching lodges is an administrative manner. You can visit a lodge anywhere as long as correct measures are taken so the lodge knows you are a Mason. You can also have dual membership, or drop membership in one lodge and take membership somewhere else as an administrative transfer. It's pretty flexible.

As for the hardcore question of "Is it an Occult Order?" the answer is Yes, No, and For You It Would Be.

Yes: it's occult. there's magical stuff all over the place, and the rituals are breathtaking. If you can keep a straight face at the level of Pomp and Splendor they're shooting for. It's hard not to be a bit like "pantomime!" but you pay attention to what they're saying, and Holy! (that's Scottish Rite - other rites use different ritual forms)

No: Most of the Brothers are accoutants and bankers and garage mechanics and the like. Christian, Jewish or other, they're largely of conventional religious backgrounds. Masonry is largely a moral and ethical system for these guys, and they are without doubt the backbone of the order. Now, in my particular lodge, there are magicians. Several of them, and splendidly committed chaps. So although the Lodge Business is much as it is in any lodge ("raise money, donate money, try and get members to keep our numbers up as the geezers die off") much of the after-hours discussion has a decidedly Occult twist.

And if you go into the degrees as an Occultist, I do think that Masonry meets you more-than-half-way in projecting energies into your system. I did the same rituals, but they had a very, very different meaning for me because I was able to read the symbolism at a deeper level.

If you want a sense of what's going on at that level, locate your nearest Scottish Rite Cathedral: there's one in most cities. Stand outside and try and get a sense of what's going on inside on a magical level. Poke out your radar and try and sense the vibes. Be Nice! (you don't want to poke at those energy systems in a hostile manner, believe me.)

It's not subtle. Those magical systems are active and maintained, although I still don't know how or by who: perhaps the accumulated energy of all the opening and closing of lodges does it, or the initiatory energies. But it's really a better way of evaluating the Order as a magical lineage than anything else I can think of because it's tangible and objective.

Not all Blue Lodges have any significant magical involvement, however. Shop around, or ask the Masons you talk to which lodges have a more esoteric membership: they'll usually refer you to somebody who knows, I believe.

Bro. Muppet
 
 
FinderWolf
16:51 / 16.11.04
Does it cost money to join? Are you required to donate money? How much time do you have to put into fund-raising things?

And thanks again for your informative responses.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
00:11 / 17.11.04
Dues are required: it's about sixty a year for the Blue Lodge, and about the same for Scottish Rite. Most lodge meetings they pass a hat (think church collection stylee) and I tend to drop in five or ten dollars on average, less if I'm feeling poor.

Fund raising activities are optional, but tend to be a lot of fun. A lot of brothers are just in it for that actually.
 
 
iconoplast
14:20 / 12.09.11
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Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:45 / 14.09.11
Oh HEL no.
 
  
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