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Leon (professional) sequel

 
  

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hashmal
22:43 / 09.11.04
oh my god, natalie portman's talking about signing up for the sequel. i hope it goes through. the thought of natalie as a grown up deadly female assasin has got me excited already. nice and smooth. goddamn. i know i'm a sexist pig, but let us pray for skimpy costume design.
 
 
PatrickMM
23:36 / 09.11.04
I'd love to see it. I doubt it could top the original, but Mathilda is still by far Natalie's best performance, and a Before Sunset like revisiting of the character ten years down the line would have a lot of potential. Obviously no Leon himself, but there'd still be plenty of plot potential.
 
 
hashmal
23:45 / 09.11.04
yeah, i agree it's her best. i hope it's not a let down either considering what potential it has. im just excited cause this time round i won't have to feel like some paedophile if i have dirty little thoughts about her. if we had thought police i'd be so executed.
 
 
hashmal
00:03 / 10.11.04
 
 
Lord Morgue
07:45 / 10.11.04
Oh shit. The return of La Femme Lolita?
Jean Reno and Gary Oldman will be sorely missed, but maybe they could get her to pick on Luc Besson regular Tchecky Karyo?
He was sooo cool in "High Art", with Peter Coyote. "This is the work of an amateur. An artist would cut here."
 
 
haus of fraser
08:00 / 10.11.04
C'mon Gary Oldman was fucking awful in Leon- one of the worst examples of an overacting panto star ever...
Although I thought the film was ok I also think its one of the most over rated movies of all time- yes i'll pay money to see a sequel but I'm not holding my breath.
 
 
cusm
12:46 / 10.11.04
I thought Le Femme Nikita sort of was the sequal. At least, that's how I connected them. It sure makes Nikita a lot more plausible given her background in Leon.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
13:05 / 10.11.04
I hope it'll be about Natalie training a vengeful 12 year old boy, to maintain the uncomfortable sexual undertones of the previous film. They could get Germaine Greer to do the script...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:22 / 10.11.04
So, is there any good reason to make a sequel to Leon apart from the guilt-free release of Hashmals' white wee-wee? This seems like a sequel that really doesn't need to be made. What does anyone involved stand to gain from it?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:22 / 10.11.04
The undying love of a horde of creepy internet stalkers?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
14:51 / 10.11.04
anyone have a source for this story?
 
 
PatrickMM
15:12 / 10.11.04
I believe La Femme Nikita was the "prequel" to this movie. It was seeing Jean Reno as a cleaner in the film that prompted the creation of The Professional.

As for a source for the story, I haven't seen anything lately, but she talks about it here. The relevant quote is " "I would do any film that Luc Besson directed. If he directed it, I would do it." And then quickly added with a smile, "...but he hasn't asked me, because that's not anything that's real. You just made that movie up."

So, it's not out of the question, but it's by no means imminent.
 
 
hashmal
17:46 / 10.11.04
"Through Parisian sources, a top secret script has come to light called Downslide, rumoured to be from the pen of Luc Besson and effectively telling the sotry of a grown-up version of Matilda, from Leon, set 20 years after the explosive finale of the original movie. Verging on being a thinly veiled reworking of Nikita, with a healthy dose of The Fifth Element thrown into the mix, she's now a hit woman who's ever so slightly out of control, much to the annoyance of her CIA paymasters, because she's wiping out any political figures she believes to be under the control of an alien intelligence. The problem is, her suspicions may not be that wrong! Besson reportedly wants Angelina Jolie to star, if Natalie Portman says "Non"."

"J tells us some interesting Professional news. Dark Horizons reported yesterday that Hugh Jackman and Bruce Willis are contending to portray the sequel's villain, with Natalie Portman. It was also mention in NataliePortman.com. (thanks Tracy).

Check out NataliePortman.com and you'll find that the above Jackman/ Willis Rumour came from Variety; "Hugh Jackman, of X-Men fame, is set to fight Bruce Willis (not literally) for the role of the Villain in The Professional 2". "

"When Episode 3 finishes? I don't know. To tell you the truth, I'd like to just relax for a while. Kick back with some friends. If anything, it might be something with Luc Besson, a follow-up to a film I did when I was younger called Leon. The script's really great, and near worth delaying a vacation for. The only problem would be that I would have to hit the gym again - and at the moment I can't even envision tying my own laces up"

sorry, couldn't be arsed putting up the site references, search if you want them.
not sure about the alien control thing. has besson been reading the invisibles?
& to those that think i'm some sick internet stalker. eat me you puritanical shitheads.
 
 
Triplets
21:09 / 10.11.04
Alien mind control?

Sounds like they got the script mashed together with that film with Denzel Washington and Lieutenant Dan from Forest Gump.
 
 
hashmal
21:37 / 10.11.04
the alien control thing could be promising. like if she's all schizo and stuff. getting all delusional and running round with guns. i'd be into it anyway. i'm picking that the 'aliens' will be some foreign government or agency though, yawn. i'd much rather have beautiful women with guns having psychotic episodes.
 
 
cusm
22:55 / 10.11.04
That sounds awesome. Nikita in, They Live. I'd be all over it.

And PatrickMM, it was the other way around. Nikita came out first, then Leon as prequal. But yea, that. So either way this'd be another remake of Nikita, only from David Iche's universe, which would be interesting for sure.
 
 
Lord Morgue
06:02 / 11.11.04
Heh, anyone remember C.I.A.: Operation Alexa, with O.J.? Worst ever dumbed-down Nikita remake. Makes Assassin look like Black Cat.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
18:55 / 12.11.04
This seems like a sequel that really doesn't need to be made. What does anyone involved stand to gain from it?

Ermm.. why not? Ther've been far worse ideas. I'm not a huge fan of the first (slightly dubious) film (I do like Reno's performance) but ther could be a decent sequel to be made.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:27 / 13.11.04
That wasn't my question. What does anyone involved stand to gain from it?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:40 / 13.11.04
Moolah.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:26 / 13.11.04
What makes you ask it about this film in particular though?
 
 
charrellz
21:33 / 13.11.04
I don't think a sequel is necessary at all, but there is room for it. The original did nicely tie everything up at the end, and there weren't many unanswered questions, but I think alot of people (myself included) wouldn't mind seeing more of Mathilda and what happens to here after the movie. Mathilda is an established and loved character whose story isn't over. Hence, sequel. Oh, and moolah too.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:14 / 14.11.04
Well yes, moolah.

But... aliens?

Hey, why not? Let's do it with ALL our favourite movies! I've always wanted a Casablanca sequel where Rick, a couple of years after the war finishes, has returned to the States. He's trying to run a little burger joint in a tiny town called Roswell, when... the unthinkable happens!!!

Aliens

Fuck. I'd be quite up for a sequel, maybe. But... no. It'd be Highlander 2 all over again. Except it'd be pissing over the memory of a better movie this time.
 
 
hashmal
00:56 / 15.11.04
god, please don't let it be as bad as the highlander sequels. anything but that. surely besson wouldn't fall that low?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:32 / 15.11.04
Well... wny not? I mean, there's no real argument for making it apart from the aforementioned moolah, and so that people can stop feeling guilty about fancying a 14-year Natalie Portman. These are not convincing auguries of a great film. This before we hit the alien mind control.

So, a sequel _may_ be good, but to be honest if Portman and Besson have not grown out of the character and the film (remember Hannibal?) then there is something quite wrong with both of them. Certainly I don't see many convincing arguments as to why it should be good, or indeed why anyone would expect it to be. The film ended with most of the cast dead and the survivor's character arc completed. See also Cruel Intentions, Poison Ivy, Silence of the Lambs, the Seventh Seal (the sequel to which, "Seal you l-eight-er", starring a young Tom Hanks, is generally considered the father of the modern gross-out comedy, but is still one of the worst films ever committed to celluloid)...
 
 
Whisky Priestess
12:41 / 15.11.04
Surely nothing can be worse than American Psycho 2: All American Girl?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:56 / 16.11.04
Mathilda is an established and loved character whose story isn't over.

Yes, in many ways she's one of the heroic archetypes who harks back to many classical antecedents yet is defined adequately by none of them - like Sleeping Beauty, Sherlock Holmes or James Bond, she has seeped into the collective unconsciousness, ever returning, and what she has to say about our lives will always be worth hearing, even if the insights are so accurate as to be uncomfortable. I believe it was Debord who said of Mathilda: "We make a mistake if we see her only as a masturbatory icon for bordlerine-pederast bearded men, for in a very real sense, she is the Spectacle itself in human form."
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:29 / 16.11.04
Well, whose been busy sharpening the droll stick all morning?

*pokey, pokey*
 
 
Bear
15:57 / 16.11.04
only as a masturbatory icon

But does anyone actually see her as this? I know there were apparently alternative versions and my memory of the films is hazy at best but is she shown in a sexual manner?

I thought people just liked the idea of a female assassin the lost soul fucked up family character (Donnie Darko) She's very similar to O-Ren Ishii isn't she? And also Gogo I can't remember the same jibes at people saying they liked those characters?
 
 
Jack Fear
16:15 / 16.11.04
But does anyone actually see her as [a masturbatory icon]?

Well, Hashmal does, at least.
 
 
hashmal
05:30 / 17.11.04
"We make a mistake if we see her only as a masturbatory icon for borderline-pederast bearded men, for in a very real sense, she is the Spectacle itself in human form."

"But does anyone actually see her as [a masturbatory icon]?

Well, Hashmal does, at least."



I am not very well read on Situationist theory and I do not have the time to undertake research for a response on a bulletin board. So if the following is way off track with regards to Situationist theory then please let me know. Also, if someone has a reference for the Debord quote it would be most appreciated.

I’m not sure what the spectacle is in terms of some standard definitive meaning. But from the second hand info I’ve picked up over the last couple of years I understand that, at least to some degree, it’s referring to an endless procession of simulacra, a matrix of desires that cannot be fulfilled, always already serving up hollow nothingness disguised as morsels to satiate the ravenous maw of consumerism. So when Debord says that Mathilda is the spectacle incarnate does this mean that she is these ‘empty spectacular desires that cannot be fulfilled’ in human form? If so, it more-or-less sounds like the definition of a masturbatory icon to me. Fervently jerking off over that which we cannot have, the circuit of desire never completed, never fulfilled. A spectacular society offering happiness and fulfilment for only $9.95, a consumer transaction that leaves the promise of happiness and fulfilment turning to a crusty yellow discharge on an old towel. The bearded pederast merely the reflection of the happy consumer in a filthy mirror.

And where do I fit in here? Am I fervently jerking off at the feet of some idolised simulacra?
Well, let me see…
Yes, I find some young girls to be arousing. But I can’t recall ever having jerked off trying to capture their essence in some seedy fantasy. I realise that it is no release of desire, but merely the ensnarement of it within an illusion. The arousal I feel is the joy of admiring the human organism coming into bloom and I make no apologies for that. Any self righteous moralists who find such arousal distasteful can go suck the dick of the high horse they rode in on. Myself, I merely wish to catch a glimpse of the Dionysian spirit as it begins to awaken, to hear the music of Pan as their bodies begin to bloom. I certainly do not wish to fuck these delicate creatures. For I know that such a violation would not allow me to partake in the Dionysian fire that has begun to burn, but merely snuff it out leaving a sad and hollow creature to walk the earth. And it seems to me that those in our society who wish to deny the young their right to dance with Dionysus by enforcing arbitrary age limits, deciding when, how and whom, are also guilty of extinguishing this fire and thereby create a world repressed and doomed. Both bearded pederast and upstanding moral citizens extinguish the fire of life that burns in this young flesh leaving only the embers of an empty simulacrum. However, if the spirit of Bacchus is allowed to reign supreme then Mathilda can shatter the empty dreams of both pederasts and moralists alike. And this is all I wish to see, the birth of Dionysus and the shattering of the endless procession of soul-less simulacra.

But given my previous disclosure of feelings of guilt related to my ‘dirty little thoughts’, is the above the mere rhetoric of a hypocrite?
The mention of my dirty little thoughts was an off-hand remark made with my tongue in cheek, but I’m sure there are those here who would not let this go so easily…

So as far as these ‘dirty little thoughts’ did relate to desires that could not be fulfilled, my wish to fuck the forever unfuckable. Then yes, I should feel guilt. But I never proclaimed to be a saint and nor would I want to be one, which I fear some here do. Nonetheless I realise the danger of falling prey to such illusions and if they do dwell within my soul then I hope that they succumb to a Dionysian dissolution. A dissolution that may be violent and unpleasant if I cannot uproot and resolve them soon.

And in so far as these ‘dirty little thoughts’ were actually thoughts that merely wished to bath in the warm Dionysian glow of youth and were only stained and made dirty by society’s moral hypocrisy then any guilt I felt was undeserved and reflects a society grown sick with its own pretentious moral bullshit.

I am unsure which of these is the more correct. Is it just pretentious rhetoric that I am using to avoid facing myself? Mere simulacra? Maybe my only hope is to invoke a violent Dionysian energy that can shatter any simulacra and hopefully leave me with something intact. Can I stare down the barrel of that gun and face my death? Is that you Mathilda, my angel of death?

Masturbatory icon or the spectacle incarnate? Given my ignorance of Situationist theory I can’t really say. However, I propose another choice. Masturbatory icon or demon of Dionysus with a gun.
 
 
_Boboss
08:56 / 17.11.04
cripes - someone's been swotting up on their hakim bey
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:05 / 17.11.04
(threadrot)

MY EYES!

(/threadrot)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:32 / 17.11.04
Is it just pretentious rhetoric that I am using to avoid facing myself?

Yes.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:48 / 17.11.04
Also, if someone has a reference for the Debord quote it would be most appreciated.

It's from 101 Films That Do Not Need A Sequel, written between 1995-1997, first published 1998 by Credulous Press.
 
  

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