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Lord Morgue
08:47 / 07.11.04
Anyone familiar with this French art of urban acrobatics and exploration? There is a philosophy, ethos and discipline to this art that I believe makes it belong here in the Temple, at least as much as the martial arts, at least until we have a section dedicated to the physical, or the Temple's definition is expanded to include such.
One of the founders has some interesting things to say about how he applied the philosophies of Bruce Lee to Parkour. An art of mind, spirit and body, not empty motion, born from skateboarding, asian martial arts, and breakdance.
urbanfreeflow.com
 
 
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11:34 / 07.11.04
Yeah I saw some of these guys on TV when they came to London, it was pretty amazing stuff. I think that Jump London DVD advert down the left hand side of the page is what I saw.
 
 
eye landed
13:02 / 07.11.04
first ive heard of it. im far too interested in it for my own health.

ive played a game id call urban capture-the-flag (capture-the-flag is basically glorified tag). it works best in the middle of the night. we play in an open 'square' area with some stairs, railings, benches, curbs, planters, and the like, plus the surrounding streets, alleyways, and multilevel parking lot. i prefer the variation in which we duel with hollow plastic 'swords' instead of tagging, but that involves less running and so less opportunity for parkour.

i wonder how traceurs feel about this kind of game.
 
 
Simulacra
00:27 / 12.11.04
I am also very fascinated by parkour and is a novice traceur (an unfortunate accident during a salong has kept me off the streets for a while, though).

There are amazing things happening when you start to do free running - the effect is very much like the one attained from urban exploration. You realise how limited your movement patterns in relation to the city are. Your perspective on the environments shifts and thus the environment itself.

This effect hit me as soon as I had tried out a few improvised moves and started to imagine how I could move in the cityscape. These thoughts set me free, though I never knew that I was imprisoned.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:45 / 12.11.04
I've never even heard of this aside from Warren Ellis using it in his comic book GLOBAL FREQUENCY. Part of me wonders if it's even related to magick...?
 
 
Joetheneophyte
14:41 / 12.11.04
If it is what I think then you would have to be mad to attempt it but it is BEAUTIFUL to watch

it is possibly some of the most graceful and scarey stuff I have ever seen. Peter Parker would be proud of some of the moves of these guys

Beyond acrobatics, it is an artform and makes me feel totally humble in the abilities these guys exemplify. Like watching Thierry Henry with a football....pure poetry in motion
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
16:14 / 12.11.04
or the Temple's definition is expanded to include such.

I reckon, based purely on the amount of martial arts threads we've had here (and the amount of people who post here and are also martial artists to one extent or another), the Temple's definition certainly covers such things.
 
 
diz
17:15 / 12.11.04
i want to get a multi-region DVD player specifically so i can get a copy of Jump London.
 
 
vajramukti
17:19 / 12.11.04
I've done ninjitsu for several years, and based on the break-falling feats I've learned there, a lot of this stuff seems doable. I can't see it becoming very mainstream though. it's a whole stack of lawsuits waiting to happen. the ultimate underground sport!
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
18:05 / 12.11.04
I can see how a lot of the moves in the video clips I've seen are done. I mean...everything is doable. It just requires a greater degree of awareness of your environment.

...now, if I was only in shape enough to put into practice the theoretical things I can see, then I'd be good. Till then I'll just have to stick to cycling everywhere...which in Toronto is an adventure in and of itself.
 
 
Unconditional Love
20:02 / 12.11.04
this stuff is great its just steps away from chopper in judge dredd, saw it on tv over a friends place, a few weeks later i saw a couple kids trying to get it around some underpasses and benches, i like all this urban surfing stuff.

reminds me of when i used to breakdance with bits of sprayed up lino an we used to burn each other......heh.
 
 
Lord Morgue
00:05 / 13.11.04
Luc Besson (La Femme Nikita, The Professional) did a documentary called Le Parkour. I've heard it's really hard to find, though.
 
 
Z. deScathach
05:47 / 14.11.04
Was just at Urban Freeflow, and checked out some of the videos. What a cool artform. It truly sems to bring a spirit of aliveness to the urban environment that, while it is very much alive and has it's own energy, can seem somewhat sterile.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:44 / 14.11.04
Jump London was amazing - Diz, get your multi-region DVD player.

And it's interesting that GM has put Le Parkour into Global Frequency. If Global Frequency equals the new Invisibles, then Parkour is a very 'new Invisibles' type skill. Doncha think...

Ah, calling all you Brummalither's - resident and active in the city of Parkour delights, some of you ought to be here in this thread.
 
 
Olulabelle
23:05 / 14.11.04
[Total threadrot due to potential Luc Besson bashingness]

Oooh. Now come on. Luc Besson is responsible for The Big Blue and Nikita, and The Fifth Element (contentious, but I'm firmly in the 'ace' camp) and also Leon for Chrissakes.

The Transporter...Well...Haven't you ever had an off day?!

[End total threadrot due to potential Luc Besson bashingness]
 
 
Lord Morgue
02:37 / 15.11.04
Hah! Transporter 2 is in post-production even as we post! Jason Statham OWNZ JOO ALL!
God help me, I even liked him in Ghosts of Mars and the Italian Job remake. I'm such a whore.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:47 / 15.11.04
This may be a better place to discuss Luc Besson, hein?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:27 / 15.11.04
>> And it's interesting that GM has put Le Parkour into Global Frequency. If Global Frequency equals the new Invisibles, then Parkour is a very 'new Invisibles' type skill. Doncha think...

It was in fact Warren Ellis (WE) not GM who writes & created Global Frequency.
 
 
Olulabelle
17:24 / 15.11.04
Ah OK. Apologies. I've only read my friends copy and I missed your name check further up.

Morgue, sorry, I appear to have totally derailed your thread.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
19:21 / 15.11.04
I really want to take this up. I think the main thing that is holding me up is that I feel I need to take some lessons in breakfall from someone who knows what they're doing... I'm hoping to begin capoeira lessons within the next month or so, and I suspect that'd cover it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:42 / 15.11.04
Wouldn't it be ace to do le parkour along psychogeographical lines? I'm not expecting Iain Sinclair to start doing Tony Hawk style videogames (but if he did, I'd buy them), but... to apply the physical exertion and discipline, as well as the constant proximity to injury/death to urban routes of power...

That's SO a Temple topic.
 
 
vajramukti
20:15 / 15.11.04
I'd be making an offering to spiderman or daredevil before trying these out.


conversely, Pk seems like the best offering possible towards these entities...
 
 
Olulabelle
22:19 / 15.11.04
I think this is a perfect Temple topic. It's something that requires physical stamina, mental strength, the power of belief, practice...

You don't just go out and leap from wall to roof automatically. It's, as Morgue says, about training, discipline and philosophy.

And also I like the fact that one can transport oneself from A to B in a completely abnormal fashion whilst all the time making it look like a piece of piss. The people I know that do it, do it automatically without thinking, or planning. They travel the same route as I walk yet their feet never touch the pavement where mine do.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
15:26 / 16.11.04
Just had the slightly amusing mental image of Iain Sinclair and Peter Ackroyd scrambling clumsily across rooftops in a race to claim the London psychogeographical parkour title.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:19 / 16.11.04
Gypsy- oh God yes. Reckon we could get Bill Drummond to convince him it was a good idea?
 
 
Simulacra
00:58 / 17.11.04
Being both a magic practictioner and a traceur, I'd say that when you do parkour it is very easy to tap into the "flow of the city". If this is the same as a psychogeographic line, I am not sure but it does sound like the same thing. Traceurs often talk about "the flow" they experience while running, and if you've walked in a dense street and sudden felt an urge to just go with the flow and happily explode in a burst of ki-kicking urban energy - you've felt it too. You don't have to be a skilled traceur to experience this, just try to jump across a few benches or so.

And concerning magic: I have tried to use ki visualisations while doing parkour moves. This is in essence magical visualisations aimed at connecting with your own body and its relation to the surroundings. If you are not familiar with ki, try this out:

1. Stretch your arm straight out from your body's side. Ask a friend to try to bend your arm's position. You will try to retain the position using strength. You will most likely fail to retain the position.

2. Stretch your arm out again, but this time visualise jets of water travelling through your arm, out through your fingers and straight into infinity. Ask your friend to challenge your arm again. This time, focus on that image instead of using your muscles. You will most likely succeed better in holding your arm in position this time.

This illustrates the power in images. The word for the energy that you feel surge through you is called ki. A friend of mine has seen a seventy-year old aikido master hold a bokken (a thin wooden sword-stick) straight out from his body in this manner while four full-grown men clinged to the end of it, trying to make him lost his posture. They did not succeed.

These visualisations can be used for parkour as well. I use a circle visualisation to do the basic roll to dampen falls on concrete, for example. When caught up in the city flow, one can do astounding things without any training if the conditions are right. This summer, me and two friends attended a parade and wanted to advance quickly trough the masses of people along the street as we some friends up ahead. I was really into it and ran like hell through the crowd. At one point, I found myself defying gravity while running three steps at a vertical wall on my right. I suppose that the heavy feeling of flow enhanced my ability to traverse trough the environment way beyond my usual mobility level.

For the sake of discussion I'd like to add that isn't parkour and urban exploration the same thing as the topic desciption implies. And if you are interested to try some parkour or urban exploration and happen to be located in Stockholm, Sweden you can consider yourself invited to the Urban Ninja Crew.
 
 
Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears
15:43 / 17.11.04
My ex is very seriously into Parkour. I went to his home city with him a few months back and met his crew. Really nice bunch of (very young) skaterish guys. No obvious uniform or lifestyle clothing, heavy boots, beanies pulled well down above eyes of a uniform fearlessness.

Some points that impressed me while speaking to them:

1. An insistence upon the nature of Parkour as a participatory experience rather than a spectable. In fact, there's a real fear of being turned into a spectacle and a strong feeling of resistance to the idea of 'performing'. For example, many of them didn't like Jump London and all of them hated the use of Parkour in adverts. They're very willing to teach Parkour to others, but, like Fight Club, if you turn up, they want to see you run too. Watching is considered to be missing the point.

2. For a similar reason, the French guys, while being respected for their skill (all the guys I spoke to said they were the best), are generally thought of as 'sell-outs', because they're seen as trying to turn Parkour into a sport with money, sponsorship, professional athletes etc.

3. The website 'Urban Freeflow' is also looked down on by many of these guys, as they see it as another attempt to brand or pin-down Parkour into an aspirational lifestyle and sport, where it's more about visiting the shop and purchasing accessories and clothing than actually doing Parkour.

4. Needless to say, the attempts by Nike, etc, to rebrand Parkour as the copyrightable Free Running(TM), push it as a lifestyle and train 'stars' capable of unattainably perfect and suicidally amazing stunts as a way of getting more bums on seats and ultimately selling more trainers, are hated with a fanatical passion.

I love the questions that Parkour opens up. Questions about the ownership and permitted use of public spaces, the liberation of the individual from the architecture that surrounds them (and of the individual's mind from that of the planner) and the replacement of ingrained patterns of movement with an agile and spontaneous creativity.

I also think that, far more than martial arts, Parkour is the definitive toolkit for urban survival, if that's your bent. Because you're never, ever, ever going to catch these guys in the city if they don't want to be caught!

Above all though, I think it reminds us of how much we limit ourselves through conditioned fear and habit. I was watching an orange cat walk on a wall the other day. The wall was about 5 inches wide at the top and on one side dropped fifty feet to a carpark below. Without the slightest hesitation, the cat jumped lightly onto the wall and trotted loosely along, sprang carelessly to another wall across ten feet of clear space, sat down and washed itself.

It never once occurred to me - or the cat - that it would fall. Watching these Parkour guys play was similar.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:11 / 17.11.04
If this is the same as a psychogeographic line, I am not sure but it does sound like the same thing.

That's kind of what I was getting at, at any rate, yes.

This is all starting to make me wish I wasn't quite so hopelessy out of shape.
 
 
charrellz
16:31 / 17.11.04
Fear not Stoatie, I too am among the legions of Damn-I-need-to-get-to-the-gym, but I've been trying some of this stuff out, and once you start doing it, it turns out to be frighteningly easy.

And this really does give drifts a whole new dimension when you go into it with that mindset. I think part of it is you that you not only have that fear of "I hope I don't look like an idiot" as mentioned here, but I the fear of getting hurt can throw you out of your normal headspace too. We ordinarily lead relativly sheltered lifes, and by challenging that you can tap into a whole different part of the world.

Oh yeah, and it's fun too.
 
 
charrellz
16:33 / 17.11.04
I'd like to add that I assume no responsibility for any broken limbs that result from my previous post.
 
 
betty woo
16:45 / 17.11.04
I should so not be watching these videos with my current knee injury.

Fascinating - I can definitely see where it would fit with urban magick work, and will probably give it a go myself in the spring. I've been doing circus training for the past few months (arials/static trapeze/acrobatics) and wondering what I'll ever use it for, but I'm already imaging ways to incorporate those skills into a freerun.
 
 
Sekhmet
17:06 / 17.11.04
And I'd been wondering about practical applications for my current puny aikido powers... at least I know how to roll...

Note to self: buy running shoes...
 
 
Liger Null
17:29 / 17.11.04
I am woefully deficient in both balance and upper body strength, with no martial arts training whatsoever, but I feel a definite need to connect with my environment on a more physical level. Are there any kind of little simple things that anyone can do to get started?
 
 
Chiropteran
18:19 / 17.11.04
Are there any kind of little simple things that anyone can do to get started?

One of the very simplest things to do - yet something which can offer a sudden and distinct perspective shift - is simply standing or walking on something you normally walk beside, like a parkbench or low wall. It doesn't even have to be particularly high, but just walking along the edge of a raised barrier or park wall only three feet above the sidewalk (especially if you can jump up or down with some modicum of grace) can set your head on a different channel.

Super-simple, but it can give you a taste of just how close the alternative views are.

I'd love to get deeper into this, myself - now I just want to find someone(s) in the area to train and run with...

~L
 
 
charrellz
18:25 / 17.11.04
Another little thing, if there is a rail in your way, instead of going around it, try swinging over or under it. Now do it on rails that aren't in your way.

It's amazing how you start seeing your surroundings in a different way. Now when I walk around campus I constantly notice neat little benchs and rails I never really paid attention to before.
 
  

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