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The Temple got punked

 
 
vajramukti
17:47 / 05.11.04

here's the news:

the republican coalition beat us at our own game and beat us BAD. I think we need to recognise where and how this happened and how we can fix it. that has to come first if we're gonna get anywhere after this debacle.

so: sifting the discussion of the last few days and adding a few thoughts of my own.

strike one: the prayer battalions. we know this for a fact. do we log hours a week projecting our will in the collective hundreds of thousands? i think not. they punked us in numbers, in consistancy and in intensity.

strike two: the linguistic reality hack. karl rove and his crew are the dark side adepts to beat them all. they know their nlp, their linguistics, their applied sociology, their computer tracked demographics. and what's more they aren't held back by airy fairy abstractions like ethics and conscience.

strike three: the art of misdirection. we laughed at the chimp, we cheered at farnenheit 9-11, we railed at bush and gloried in his failings. we figured there's no way any thinking person would vote for this maniac. we were back asswards. while we fired at the straw man, rove and his boys were whipping the 'base' into a utterly irrational 'moralistic' fury. facts and thinking ceased to matter. sun tzu 101, and we fell for it big time.

and you're out: the leave me alone syndrome. we've spent too much time thinking like marginal figures, outsiders, outcasts, criminals and fugitives. these fucking people are using the EXACT same technology in their campaign strategy, speech writing, and spin doctor sessions. time to get over it. this is legitimate functional powerful stuff. we need to act like legitimate functional powerful individuals with a focussed agenda.
they pulled the stick out of our hands and they're beating us to death with it. the democrats back away from anything metaphysical cause we don't know how to sell it to them as a way to fucking WIN.

the republicans couldn't care less as long as it makes them money and keeps them in office. abusing these forces in the long term is going to cost them all dearly, but they can always find a new campaign wizard once rove and his cronies succumb to thier own internal self loathing. it'll be too little too late for us by then.

I've got some more thoughts on this but I'll throw it open now.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
18:14 / 05.11.04
I think the fact that Elizabeth Edwards was diagnosed with cancer the day of the concession speech is all the proof anyone needs that we were out-magicked, plain and simple.
 
 
Unicornius
18:59 / 05.11.04
Only because we usually don't apply martial magick to that extreme. After all we are either on our own enlightment paths or are afraid of Karma, what with the threefold rule and all, or both at the same time.

I think a magical guerrilla would suit our goals, with rotating members, attacking small and very specific goals that, in the begining should be at the fringes of their reality. I dont know if I'm making any sense.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
19:28 / 05.11.04
A magical gorilla?
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:25 / 05.11.04
yeah
 
 
Lord Morgue
02:47 / 06.11.04
Well, that's it, then.
Only Supergorilla Grodd can save us now.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
04:58 / 06.11.04
I don't think we want Grodd.

If we want Super-Gorillas...

...maybe we could get the Wonder Twins? "Wonder Twin powers activate!" "Form of...a gorilla!" "Form of...an ice gorilla!"

Or maybe Solomon, the gorilla from Tom Strong...

...if we get Grodd sooner or later we're going to get into an insult contests that ends with "Yeah, well you're...naked!"
 
 
LVX23
05:24 / 06.11.04
This is one of the problems I have with results magick.

We organized and directed our little community towards a very ambitious and noble task. The voter turnout was amazing and no other sitting president has come up against such a huge vote. Personally, I think the vote was rigged, but that's besides the point. The world is inconceivably complex and interconnected. Just as the flap of a butterfly's wings can start a hurricane a month later, our work will likely manifest in many unforseeable ways. How many of you really believed that John Kerry was the Great White Hope? Nobody. This is far bigger than presidents. We wanted Bush out but really we want a better world, free of greed and ignorance and oppression. And in this goal I think we certainly did a lot to influence the currents in that direction. Just don't expect change on such a huge scale to pay off immediately. All we can do is keep working the currents. Keep putting the energy out there. Persevere and never doubt our abilities.
 
 
charrellz
17:08 / 06.11.04
Read that last post again, it says some good stuff.

I think someone mentioned karma/threefold rule etc. Is it possible that the BushCo Prayer Squad is gonna suffer a backlash from all the work they did? Should we try to bring their actions to the attention of certain justice-minded deities? Should I start making more sense?
 
 
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17:30 / 06.11.04
I like the sound of that Charrelz but I'm guessing they already know. We've taken a massive blow though, and we're not the ones bombing innocent people so maybe things are about to take a huge turn for the better, because they should do.

For instance : Justice Deities will be really pissed about now, and I'm guessing that we are their instruments of justice so something's bound to turn up once they've finished their plans. Actually those plans will probably be on the go already and working their way right to us.
 
 
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17:33 / 06.11.04
Which of course is no reason to sit around waiting for what may or may not turn up, but it's something to bear in mind.
 
 
vajramukti
16:38 / 07.11.04
okay step one in the occult war for reality: build a magick gorilla!!

or not.

so building on my original points, what's the solution here? how can we upgrade or methods and methodology?

THE PRAYER FACTOR

the thing here is, we got the classic consensus reality problem magnified several fold by the fact that huge numbers of dare we say it, >fanatics< are invoking this reality in a highly ritualised fashion on an ongoing basis, with a great deal of consistancy and intensity.

so how do we break apart the technology of prayer and make it work for us more effectively?

as i see the core element is the projection of will. call it prayer, invocation, sorcery, sigilisation or what have you.

beyond that you have several factors that influence this:

1) intensity. emotional investment in the result can help build energy, as can physiological practices like breathing or postural shifts, engaging a symbol system that has emotional or spiritual resonance, usually through ritual.

as applies to us, i think most post modern adepts unfortunately are at a disadvantage here, because we are so aware of the provisional nature of symbol systems, that we have difficulty getting behind an image complex to the degree christians can with the crucifixion or the book of revelation or sodomites dying in a rain of sulphur. they're raised to be scared shitless of these images, while we can't help but laugh off a lot of these things as being made up. unfortunately that laughter cuts both ways.

in a nutshell, i think we need to find a way to commit to a strong symbolic framework that can help engage us to the same degree. we need an organising mythology or complex of personal mythologies, while at the same time being able to drop it when it's not usefull. tough one.

i think the only solution that works here is the authentic one. find a system of values you can get your whole heart behind, find a set of images that get you going till you're on fire, and go from there.

2) lust of result. essentially prayer works better the more you can take your ego out of it. the more you can avoid taking credit of the energies unleashed, the more you tap into universal will, as opposed to personal will. your typical chrisitian is again condtioned very strongly to put his faith in god and not fall into the trap of vainglory or pride. contrasting that with your typical adept, you have a certain awareness that this stuff can be interpreted in all kinds of ways, and that your beliefs play a role in its efficacy.

i think the goal here is to recognise that we want to serve something that transcends us as individuals, not just work for the gratification of our personal prejudices and spite.

universal justice as opposed to smack-the-chimp cause he's pissing me off.

3) consistancy. this is huge. even the best of us has to hold down a job, deal with family who arent into this shit, go to (mostly) secular jobs that do not reinforce the magickal view. unfortunately that interrupts the continutiy of the will. fundamentalist christian inhabit a hermetically sealed reality tunnel that constantly reinforces the object of their prayers and the direction of the will. meanwhile we have to fight just to get a foothold in consensus reality. never mind mount an effective alternative to the gridlocked psychocosmos of the book of revelations/endtimes fundamentalism. its a two-front war essentially. we have to fight just to get social validation for our magick, while they would have to fight like hell to NOT be doing theirs.

as a result, i think it's more important than ever before to bring the magickal view into everyday life, and then culture at large. every act does really have to be a magickal act. every step every breath must be in the context of the will, prefferably universal will, as i said earlier. your whole life needs to become a ritual. not a robotic ritual, but fully conscious rhythm of will. in that sense, although it may sound strange, the hip hop lifestyle has a lot to teach us. attitude is everything. style is important, because you have to be conscious to have style.

gangsta rap as occult reality engineering. i'm sort of joking, sort of not....
 
 
LVX23
17:07 / 07.11.04
[As an aside, I'm thinking we need a magickal gorrila servitor. Any ideas? New thread?]
 
 
vajramukti
18:01 / 07.11.04
y'know, that actually might be a really good idea.

a savage magickal gorilla grodd servitor would be a perfect vessel for those feelings of murderous rage and anti civilisation misanthropy floating around after the elections, but more precisley focussed and placed in a humourous context to lessen the negativity somewhat.
I can imagine grodd screaming at the top of his lungs like mike tyson on pcp that he's going to eat the neocons children, and whatnot...LOL

but yeah, new thread probably
 
 
Unicornius
20:37 / 07.11.04
I just realized, they didnĀ“t beat barbelith using our own weapons, because they belong to them. They invented them. We were trying to hijack their techniques for our own purposes. No wonder they won. They have been using them for millenia, and had all the experience and time to polish and master them almost to perfection. And they knew about us, and they know who we are, and how to counter each and every one of our actions.
Just food for thought
 
 
LVX23
22:54 / 07.11.04
Who is this "they" you're talking about? And when did "they" invent magick, shamanism, spirit, and community?
 
 
Unicornius
23:28 / 07.11.04
I was referring to vajramukti 's original post.

They: the republican coalition and any socio-economic-political power as it is.

I don't think they invented magick, shamanism, spirit, and community, but I'm pretty sure thay had a hand in inventing:the prayer battalions, the linguistic reality hack, nlp, linguistics, applied sociology, computer tracked demographics, campaign strategy, speech writing, spin doctor sessions, etc.

I thought about it after rereading this paragraph: "these fucking people are using the EXACT same technology ...they pulled the stick out of our hands and they're beating us to death with it" and "beat us at our own game and beat us BAD"

As if they suddenly realized these methods existed after many underground movements created them for the beneift of all mankind, and in turn decided to use them for their own personal agenda and dark purposes.

I'm pretty sure thay have always used these methods, it's business as usual.

Maybe it's not our OWN game, rules, methods. Maybe it's not THEIRS either. Maybe They didn't invent it but then again neither did we.
 
 
Pita
11:57 / 08.11.04
"Maybe it's not our OWN game, rules, methods. Maybe it's not THEIRS either. Maybe They didn't invent it but then again neither did we."

exactly, no person or group of persons invented nature

the key difference I see between the neocon magi and underground revolutionary magi is that the former is far more organized and coordinated the latter is only consistant in its piecemeal approach

harmonic resonance is required to generate a cohesive alternative
 
 
eye landed
15:49 / 08.11.04
your agenda entails DESTRUCTION. siva, ragnarok, key XVI, etc. add more?

you didnt pull off armageddon this time, so you figure you should shoot for four years later? i admit hilary is a more apt babalon than jfk. but is that what you really want? i think it would just play into 'their' hands. what core do we seek when we 'cleanse' the world?

to destroy bush (almost an egregore by now), you need to remove his 'base'. corrupt the faith of christ, castrate the wealthy, and demonstrate the truth of war. if you want to 'win' your battle, you will have to go all the way: war in the material plane. are you ready for a new american revolution?

most of you seem to look past your own memberships in a monolith of ideological evil as dangerous as bushs. (i refer to the hopeless soul-sucking apathy of democracy: you can pick between a welfare mother and a warhawk father, or fuck off and live in the woods.) if you were not irrationally invested in a groupthink, why would you care that bush 'won'? by attacking bush, you are only driving one man insane. the only real genius of the republicans is their ability to use your hatred against you. otherwise, they have demonstrated their incompetence many times. as always, the true adversary is your own set of unexamined demons.

i speculate that the only hope for a peaceful solution is dubya himself. if the big man flip-flops on the agenda hes been figureheading so far, the whole thing will crumble. bush can use the power granted by his backers to rectify all the mistakes they made. if we can accept bush as your savior, he just might save us. if we see him as an adversary, he will remain one. it cant be impossible. he went from cokehead fratboy to dedicated christian overachiever; surely a second metamorphisis needs only a catalyst. and by piggybacking on the prayers of all those who see bush as a messiah, we increase our power and divert theirs to our own ends.

i will continue to pray for the soul of george w bush. for the sake of your own souls, i recommend tending the wounded and leaving the battles to the berserkers. they just might kill each other off.
 
 
Z. deScathach
13:06 / 09.11.04
so how do we break apart the technology of prayer and make it work for us more effectively?

You can't hope to beat their numbers. Instead, work on being the butterfly that starts the hurricane. Craft the intent so it get's the most bang for the buck, and so it can find the avenue of least resistance.

universal justice as opposed to smack-the-chimp cause he's pissing me off.

True, it's better to ask oneself in this: What do I really want? Hurt Bush and another of his ilk will arise. Let's say that a person wants a world where human freedom and diversity are respected. Who is to say that this bushturd will not do such outrageous things that it turns the population against him? Actually, I BET that he will. Of course, it is true that sometimes people just sink all the way into the crapper......

as a result, i think it's more important than ever before to bring the magickal view into everyday life, and then culture at large. every act does really have to be a magickal act. every step every breath must be in the context of the will, prefferably universal will, as i said earlier. your whole life needs to become a ritual. not a robotic ritual, but fully conscious rhythm of will. in that sense, although it may sound strange, the hip hop lifestyle has a lot to teach us. attitude is everything. style is important, because you have to be conscious to have style.

Magick that isn't done that way isn't worth a shit anyhow. It's very clear that magick is becoming accepted in many circles, and is being practiced at a level previously unheard of. It seems to me that everyone is assuming that their magick failed, but how do we really know that? There is an assumption that Bush's election shows failure, but who is to say that his election may bring about real change through unpleasant avenues. These things happen.... Sometimes people change when the true meaning of just what they've done is thrown up in their faces. Oftentimes the reality is just not as pleasant as the fantasy. And yes, I understand the arguement, "But we're going to be hurt by that." For that, I apologize for my country. Still, maybe in the long run, we'll get what we want,a just world.
 
 
vajramukti
18:36 / 09.11.04

Well, here's the thinking that I've come to over the last few days thinking over this:

-all magick stems from archaic tribal shamanism meant to facilitate tribe survival and reinforce group cohesion via tinkering with the reality tunnel. this requires..

-that while magick technique, such as prayer can be appropriated to harden a reality tunnel, the deeper one goes the more one stands outside of hardened cultural mythology by virtue of the fact that you need to stand outside the mythology to be able to tinker with it effectively.
thus...

-magick is inherently liberatory. the secondary manifestations of magickal consciousness can be turned to all kinds of ends by the adept. chemistry began with the alchemists. writing with the priesthood. hypnosis and nlp with faith healers and prophets. which means...

- the problem is mages haven't been staying on top of the uses of our discoveries. like einstein we discovered the theory and now it's a danger to us all. we laid the foundation through the quest for liberated consciousness, but we failed to steward those technologies effectively. instead of acltural institution of NLP technicians freeing people from conceptual slavery, we have karl rove hypnotising the public in service to anideology that states LYING is the cornerstone of politcal success.

more later...
 
 
LVX23
19:03 / 09.11.04
It seems to me that everyone is assuming that their magick failed...

Not me. One of the most valuable insights of Chaos Magick is the belief that YOUR MAGICK ALWAYS WORKS. However, this places an incredible amount of responsibility on understand just exactly what it is you're enchanting for.
 
 
sauceruney
00:01 / 10.11.04
I have to agree with LVX23's last post and want to add that I think people are looking in the wrong place for results.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
18:44 / 10.11.04
I apologize if in the following I sound like a complete asshole.

I think that a certain amount of malevolence is being attributed to the prayer groups, many of whom honestly believe that THEY, not we, are creating a better world through their actions. I think there's also a certain amount of innate hubris here in the belief that one type of magic nessecarily trumps another, and that magic by will or by prayer is, at its base, better and more powerful than millions of people just wanting. Democracy's a tough nut to crack, because its a political version of consensual reality (even if the US isn't really a democracy...since the principle isn't so much of one man-one vote-one say).

I think that too much focus is being put on destruction and hostility, that this is a war between two sides, and the gray areas are being forgotten. I am not going to say "he must be stopped", because what needs to be stopped is not the man, nor the foundation behind him, but the sentiment that drives him. Individuals do things, they roll the ball of history, but the ball is composed of the will of everyone else. A powerful individual cannot nessecarily be stopped, but the momentum he creates can cause his metaphorical ball of history to start growing smaller as people leave it and go their own way.

What I'm saying is that planning direct magical assaults and strategies against one man and those that support him isn't nessecarily the best way to go about it. Perhaps instead the target should be the people themselves, the people that are sometimes ignored when high minded goals come to the fore. Immunize the people against the influences you feel are being used willfully by Bush's cadre to manipulate them, rather than fighting those influences head on.

As for Unicornius' comment regarding their "technology"...absolutely. If a kendo student pulls a katana on a fencer with a rapier, the fencer doesn't grab his sword with both hands and heft it over his head. He looks for weaknesses in his opponent's style that his own style of swordplay can exploit, and looks for his own weaknesses that his opponent can do the same with. Which is to say, be strong where your opponent is weak, and that emulation isn't nessecarily the best basis for action.
 
 
vajramukti
00:58 / 11.11.04
few points here:


discipline doesn't equal aggression. I know for myself I have not advocated direct attacks on individuals or harm of any kind. my point here is that adepts these days are operating in a heavily contested consensus reality, and right now that space is firmly held by those who have the most sophisticated methods, the fewest scruples and the largest resource base in recorded history. if you want results of any kind,in the face of that, my feeling is that the work needs to be treated more seriously.

which brings me to the larger subject of results magick. I'd rather not rehash the low/high magick debate, but rather broach the subject of exactly how do you quantify the results you work for? I'm perfectly willing to consider the possiblity that our workings may manifest in unexpected ways, but if so, then how do we even know if our efforts made any difference? at the end of the day, if it gets done it gets done, but if you dip your magickal oar into the water, and then absolve yourself of any verifiabilty of results, then it's a slippery slope towards taking credit for whatever you like and claiming the opposition was 'too strong' for what you didn't like.


a bit more rigor please. chop chop!

so far as the ethical/moral/spiritual connotation of taking the long view and not demanding results of yourself or anyone else....

again I'm prepared to accept the possiblity that all things work out in the end. sounds good to me. but i don't recall any guarantees that I will be around to see it, nor anyone else i know, or have met. evolutionary processes work themselves out, as do cosmic ones, and social ones, but that's a different scale than an individual human life.


I'm happy to contribute my energies to the unfolding of the human drama. I will fight for the future and look at the long game. but i am also prepared to fight for MY future, my family's future, the future of our society. I will not absolve myself of responsilbity to do everything in my power to protect and nurture what i value, and demand the highest stardard of excellence in my quest for results. I would imagine many of you would feel the same, should you think of it in those terms.

the fact that i value freedom, justice and truth, does not make me a de facto opponent of the bush regime. but based on their actions it does make them antagonistic to me.

I guess what i'm getting at is, I am not out there looking for enemies or boogey men. they're out there looking for people like us. whether we like it, dislike it, couldn't care less, or simply sit down and smoke a fatty, these forces are in motion. to not take these threats seriously and act accordingly, never mind the ongoing great work of the self and of humanity, seems dangerously negligent.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:18 / 11.11.04
Well said - I skew a little more toward's Bard's notion of leaving behind the idea of antagonizing and seeing it as a "war" - although I also possess more optimism than Bard seems to in the sense that I feel confident the cosmic scales will be balanced, and perhaps sooner than we think (i.e. we might not have to wait til after our lifetimes for this social conservative religious trend to run its course and die out). We shall see... for now I pray and work for change, and pray that the souls of Bush's entire administration and those who support Bush, as well as the religious right, be filled with love, compassion, tolerance and enlightenment.

Remember, there's that notion that when you look at someone, anyone, they are "equally to be loved, equally becoming a Buddha." They just might not be at the point in their evolution that you/we'd like them to be...
 
 
FinderWolf
15:22 / 11.11.04
I forget where I heard/read that 'equally becoming a Buddha' thing (I think it was in a post here on Barbelith, actually, about a year ago), but I really like it, and I often think of that when experiencing conflict with other people or people who get on my nerves or seem harmful or toxic to me...
 
 
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18:27 / 19.11.04
Doug Rushkoff has some good points on this, I just saw this in his blog :

progressives have concluded, reluctantly, that people in the red states cannot be reached through reason. It seems as if no quantity of factual evidence can outweigh the conviction of a person's heart. So, like advertisers suddenly realizing that people don't care about product attributes, defeated Democrats are looking to market their candidates and ideology using brand image, instead.

Sure, it's shrouded now in self-flagellating rhetoric about elites from the northeast condescending to the average Joe. Intellectuals and college graduates don't take Christians seriously enough, the argument goes, and are paying the price for alienating the good, hard-working people of this nation, whose faith fuels them through their days.

The real thinking is entirely more cynical. The Left is kicking itself for having misread the heartland's values and underestimating the importance of conveying a more faith-based rhetoric. People don't just want a more qualified candidate, the Left now reasons, they want a candidate and party that can make them feel good about themselves and their place in the divine scheme.

So progressives are finally bringing themselves to confront the unthinkable: It's time to let tactics trump truth, and create a myth for the Left that's more fanciful, triumphant, and sustaining than the other guys'.

It's going to be a tough sell, in more ways than one.
 
 
gale
23:13 / 19.11.04
Finderwolf, the equally to be loved equally becoming a buddha is from The Dharma Bums by Jack Kerouac, or at least that's where I read it. The Gary Snyder character said it in the book, and probably the Gary Snyder character said it in real life (whatever the heck that is). It is a great thought.

After doing election magic for months, I am waiting. I don't think all the power and energy that so many people generated came to a screeching halt or crashed and burned on November 3rd.

And yeah the justice deities are none too happy, I'll wager.

I have to admit, though, that gorilla does sound interesting!
 
  
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