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American Barbelithers, what can we do?

 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:42 / 04.11.04
What can we do, as a forward looking smart people, to take this country back?
 
 
Issaiah Saysir
21:20 / 04.11.04
Enlist in the armed forces, perhaps? Prepare to visit lovely North korea or Iran in the next couple of years?

Apart from suggesting smething 'militia-esque' i'm out of ideas.
 
 
Hieronymus
21:51 / 04.11.04
I thought this bit from Salon.com was well stated (use the Day Pass to read the entire article).

I took some time yesterday to go to bed early. To sleep off as much of the despair from this disaster as I could. It helped, oddly enough.

Now's the time you should be getting out of the political atmosphere, the fucking gladiator pit that it is, and checking in with yourself. Avoid the news/punditry/spin and b.s. for a few days. Spend more time with friends who share the same misery. Protect and shelter each other. Cry. Scream. Rant. Break something.

Then look to the positive facts. 49% isn't a landslide. It's a narrow victory. Half of the country is still just as pissed off at Bush as before November. Not to mention, we've got small Senate gains in Barack Obama for IL, and in Ken Salazar in CO.

The only options available to us now that the GOP runs the majority of government is to filibuster where we need to fight and accept the battles we can't win. Right now, the whole country is their theocratic playground. All we can do is give the juggernaut room and plan our strategies to strike in 2006.
 
 
lekvar
22:15 / 04.11.04
Well, it appears that Hollywood is a better predictor of the U.S. mindset than I ever gave it credit for... killing is OK but sex is dirty. The U.S. is currently gripped by some upwelling of puritanical furor.

Part of me wants to sign up as a volunteer for the Democrats, you know, maybe try to shape the whole into something that actually adresses the concerns of the populace of the flyover states, reignite the populist fervor that gripped that region during the first half of the previous century.

Of course the Dems will all see this as proof that they need to mover even further right- instead of giving the prople an actual second party to choose they will be even more the Tweedle Dee to the Repub's Tweedle Dum.

Maybe the answer is to follow the lead of Schwarzenegger and McCain- both are financially conservative and socially liberal... could the Dems embrace this? Shed the tax-and-spend image?

Those are the options I see for the Democrats: Full left, moral right, fiscal right, or full right. I could accept full left and fiscal left. The other two frighten me.
 
 
ibis the being
22:38 / 04.11.04
I'm thirsting for something concrete to do, so I signed up for the Rapid Response Network in my state. I've gotten a couple of emails so far - they're pretty good. They're urging me to write letters to counter Republican talking points, suggesting where to write and which talking points we should use to fight back, even mentioned how best to incorporate them. I recommend it for anyone needing to do something tangible.
 
 
Locust No longer
22:56 / 04.11.04
I don't know if anyone has already posted this link but things are looking pretty damn shady with the electronic voting machines. Check out Black Box voting:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
00:00 / 05.11.04
well worth checking out

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Black Box Voting has taken the position that fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines. We base this on hard evidence, documents obtained in public records requests, inside information, and other data indicative of manipulation of electronic voting systems. What we do not know is the specific scope of the fraud. We are working now to compile the proof, based not on soft evidence -- red flags, exit polls -- but core documents obtained by Black Box Voting in the most massive Freedom of Information action in history.
 
 
wicker woman
08:23 / 05.11.04
Does anyone know if there are there rules pertaining to donations to political parties years before an election takes place?

I ask because, as I'm sure most of us are aware, the Democratic party stopped being any sort of oppositon party a looong time ago. It's very much a one-party system we've got going here, and the differences are mostly for show.

So what I'm suggesting is this. Donate to the Greens. Encourage your friends to donate to the Greens. Start up websites devoted solely to giving money, oodles of it, to the Greens so that they can become a viable alternative inbetween now and '08. Make them into a force that the Dems and Repubs CAN'T keep out of the debates, and make people aware that there's more than a choice between puppet #1 and puppet #2.

Start newspapers. Distribute them for free, or for a pittance as required for printing costs. Get your friends to contribute, and empower local 3rd parties. Put what you see as the truth in there. Even if people don't agree with what you say, maybe they'll start thinking.

Just a couple things.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:51 / 05.11.04
Same as it ever was: agitate, educate, and organize.

Don't be overfocused on 2008--look at the midterm elections of 2006. That will be our chance to gain some leverage in the House and maybe the Senate.

Volunteer for the DNC and/or your local Democratic or Green party. Maintain databases, set up phone trees and e-mail lists, drive people to the polls--do all the dull, tedious, unglamorous work of building a true grassroots organization like the one the Right wing has spent the last thirty years putting in place.

Vote in all you local elections. Get familiar with your local government: drop by some committee meetings, and listen and watch and get the feel for how this works. Take volunteer positions in your town or neighborhood or school. Run for office yourself--for school board or selectman or delegate-at-large or whatever--whatever piddly Podunk position you can get into.

Fight the good fight athe local level, because that's where the battle gets won--by somebody on some school committee somewhere who says, "You know these sex-education textbooks we're thinking of purchasing? I'm concerned--I really don't think the abstinence-only slant would do the kids any favors; but this publisher does a really nice job with the A-B-C approach--why don't you look them over before we put it to the vote?"

And a half-a-dozen teenage girls don't end up pregnant: and half-a-dozen teenage boys go on to college, instead of dropping out to go to work to support their new families: and two of those girls are spared HIV, and one is spared genital warts: and three of those boys don't succumb to alcoholism and despair and violence: and and and and.

It's not big, it's not shiny, it's not sexy--but if the world is to be saved, that's how it's going to be done: stones in a pond, ripples meeting ripples.
 
 
grant
14:50 / 05.11.04
And, on a less mature note, I designed me some stickers.

Shuck fit up, or something.
 
 
ibis the being
14:59 / 05.11.04
I agree that people should get more involved in voting for state and local officials. It's a bit too symbolic, though, for those of us who live in strong blue states - I'm in Massachusetts, the very heart of Evil Liberalism. When I voted on Tuesday almost every race featured an uncontested Democrat, and the Democrats who had opponents won by landslides. I've actually begun to consider moving to a Red State so that I could make more of a difference....
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
15:22 / 05.11.04
I confess I've never voted in the mid-term elections, and now I feel horrible for doing it...I will be there in full force in 2006, though.
 
 
+#'s, - names
15:34 / 05.11.04
Keith, I'm suprised.

First thing to do is not to cry about anything. Whine about shit. Thats the fuel that feeds a certain "gap" we know.

Second thing, is remember not to vote for any bonesmen in the next primaries. You want to make sure your guy doesnt have a vested interest in keeping the other guy in power. (yeah yeah, I know, I'm stupid, paranoid and all other sorts of shit, etc, blah blah, but I then I didn't concede at the drop of a hat either.)
 
 
diz
15:44 / 05.11.04
Fight the good fight athe local level, because that's where the battle gets won--by somebody on some school committee somewhere who says, "You know these sex-education textbooks we're thinking of purchasing? I'm concerned--I really don't think the abstinence-only slant would do the kids any favors; but this publisher does a really nice job with the A-B-C approach--why don't you look them over before we put it to the vote?"

And a half-a-dozen teenage girls don't end up pregnant: and half-a-dozen teenage boys go on to college, instead of dropping out to go to work to support their new families: and two of those girls are spared HIV, and one is spared genital warts: and three of those boys don't succumb to alcoholism and despair and violence: and and and and.

It's not big, it's not shiny, it's not sexy--but if the world is to be saved, that's how it's going to be done: stones in a pond, ripples meeting ripples.


i think this is a good point. i could definitely stand to get more involved in local politics, and this is an area where the right has been whomping our asses for decades.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:23 / 05.11.04
that's not a coincidence: that a strategy. Beginning with the defeat of Barry Goldwater in 1964, when conservatism was knocked on its ass, it went to ground, took a good hard look at itself, at then began laying the groundwork for its ascendancy--establishing think-tanks and policy centers, always ready with a quote for the media, to keep the message out there; when the time was right, establishing its own media outlets; building local political networks with national connections; establishing a clear and consistent agenda and enforcing it ruthlessly.

And, most importantly of all, playing the long game; what we're seeing now is the culmination of forty years of prep work--and it's just the beginning: conservative theorists talk openly about the "R2030" strategy--the idea that, now that they're in, America needs Republican leadership in the Executive and both Houses of Congress for the next thirty years in order to "undo the damage" to our country.

Democrats, by contrast, have played a big-picture, top-down short game: Clinton accomplished so little of substance because, lacking patience or conviction or perhaps simply fearing there would never be another opportunity, he leaped at any chance to compromise with the Republicans.

Generally speaking, progressives have focussed their efforts on winning the legal battles--not insisting you agree with us, just that you follow our rules, like 'em or not--while conservatives have focussed on winning hearts and minds. Nowhere has this been more clear than in the Massachusetts gay marriage decision and the backlash against it. Perfect illustration of two strategies: top-down legalistic, and bottom-up ideological.

The conservative long-game strategy was the beginning of the end for progressive politics in America. It has resulted in a steady drift rightward as the political constituency grow increasingly conservative, and as conservative voices have increasingly dictated the terms of the debate.

You don't have to control what people think, as long as you can control what they think about. And that's what the post-Goldwater conservative movement has done with a malign genius.

That's why it's vital to not become discouraged now. We've made a decent start--PACs like MoveOn, outlet like Air America and Democracy Now! can be the seeds from which a large, grassroots network can grow. (In this, Howard Dean may one day be seen as a prophetic figure.)

My greatest fear is that, in the initial disheartenment of the 2004 elections, MoveOn and its ilk will wither. We can't let that happen.

This is the opening salvo in a long cold civil war that will play out over decades. This is not a game for wimps, quitters, or the easily-bruised: there will be no quick fixes. Real democracy will not come to the USA until I am an old, old man, and that only if we don't fuck up.

But you know what? I'm in for the long haul.
Because, really, I've got no choice.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:49 / 05.11.04
Also--and I'm half-joking here, which means I'm also half-serious--in addition to participating in local politics, how about considering divinity school and a career in the clergy?

You want to transform American society? Take hold of the power of religion, as the Republicans have shown us! Can you imagine what ten thousand Daniel Berrigans, ten thousand Dr. Kings, even ten thousand Al Sharptons could do for progressive politics in this nation whose people so hunger for spiritual purpose?
 
  
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