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F**K ME - U.S. Representative suggests Bush is The King of Terror or equivalent entity

 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
04:24 / 01.11.04
So this evening I was at the Halloween Parade in Lakeview, Chicago. Great event - lots of Burners, lots of fire, lots of the kind of spectacle we know and love.

Near the end they had a couple of politicians speaking briefly from a stage between performances, and a Democratic representative who's name I didn't catch says, roughly,

ARE YOU ALL GOING TO VOTE? BECAUSE IF BUSH GETS IN AGAIN, WE HAVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF A THING LIKE THAT [points theatrically] IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

So, what she was pointing at was a twenty foot high shoulder-mounted puppet which looked **REALLY** like an Archon from The Invisibles. **REALLY** like one. Big, black, menacing, face mid-way between bone and horn.

Very likely something from the Redmoon theater folks, or somebody close to them. I got somebody to take a picture of the puppet - I'll put it up when they email it to me. Here's some a picture of some other Redmoon stuff for general feel, though:

http://www.redmoon.org/spectacle/photos/all_hallows/0001.cfm

So, it's official. I don't know what to make of it, but it was an incredibly surreal moment.
 
 
Ganesh
06:02 / 01.11.04
They weren't merely suggesting that Bush was a puppet of the neocons?
 
 
alas
10:28 / 01.11.04
Ummmm, it doesn't seem that surreal to me. It's sounds like kind of a joke, but kind of serious. Bush IS scary, his politics are monstrous; his foreign policy is horrendous. I suspect that's what she meant, no?

If his wrong-headed policies, greed, arrogance, and inept planning are responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis (as well as more than 1000 US soldiers), is it so weird to suggest he's a monstrous person who must be stopped?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:45 / 01.11.04
What is odd is the correlation between the look of the puppet and the evil conspiring alien dickheads from the Invisibles.
Yes, the representative was probably going for the idea of "monster" and "puppet", rather than specifically "monster from the invisibles", but the coincidence is still uncanny.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:39 / 01.11.04
Big, menacing, black-cloaked monsters with skeletal faces and clawed hands are not very difficult to find at Halloween. I'm going to file this under "coincidence" rather than "ooo-eee-ooo". "Bush is a monster" is one interpretation, "Bush is a puppet" a more likely one, IMHO. "Bush is an archon, and although I do not dare to say it outright, I will attempt to communicate it by gesticulating at this convenient puppet".... not so much.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
13:47 / 01.11.04
Heh. Wait 'till I get the picture up.

And, no, I wasn't taking it *seriously* but it was completely surreal. It was a "fictional" moment in real life. I certainly don't take it as A Sign From Above or whatever...
 
 
FinderWolf
13:53 / 01.11.04
Yeah, I wanna see the pic of this!
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
14:09 / 01.11.04
Yeah, I wish I'd had it on tape or something. The thing which was incredibly cool, to my ear, was that she was suggesting that "Bush is a creature like that" - no a puppet, but an inhuman monster. It's quite possible that if the most visible thing had been a Frankenstine or a vampire she'd have pointed to that instead.

But it wasn't. It was an Archon. And I was there, and it had meaning to me.

I'd had that kind of Halloween anyway - "The Devil" had come up in conversation, both the entity and the tarot card, on Friday. On Saturday, I walked into a thrift store looking for a costume, and came out with an all-white outfit, pants, jacket, turtle neck, shoes so I was the Gnostic Christ / Satan / Blind Chessman. It was a lame costume. I also picked up, on impulse, a seven or eight foot long wooden "chain" - wooden beads on a string, bright red. But, even with the Twister set rather than the Chessboard, it was kinda lame. Until two of my friends turned up "at random" as beautifully done male and female demons, with big wings, prosthetic horns, the real deal. So I hooked them up to the chain, paraded about the party for a few minutes, and it all felt much better.

Perfect "The Devil" tarot card image from components brought together by chance. There's a name for that!

Nothing by chance, right?

It was an Invisiblelicious weekend.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
14:12 / 01.11.04
The point being: once I had the demons on chains, the entire tableux made a pretty decent "The Devil" tarot card image - the white suited Satan with two black demons on a chain before him, all assembled from components brought together "at random."

It was very cool!
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
21:41 / 01.11.04
Muppet, I am with you. This person speaking is one who's seen the Inside of the Inside and she knows what she's talking about. Do you think these jokers have seen the Inside of the Inside?
 
 
Charlie's Horse
00:38 / 02.11.04
The Inside of the Inside? Feh. Kid stuff.

Have you seen the Inside of the Inside of the Inside Side sliding Sideways to the Wayside while Crosseyed?

That's right. You want to bow down now, or shall I begin posturing for a second time?
 
 
Charlie's Horse
00:44 / 02.11.04
On a less threadrot filled note, I love how some people in the American government seem to have gotten a lil' more aggresive about ragging on Bush. About time, eh? It's not like it's the 11th hour or anything. It seemed like the 9/11, rally about the flag, support the President mentality would never get gone. Of course, maybe it's just that I live in Georgia.

And muppet - cool costume team-up! I think it falls on the coincidence side of my odd-o-meter (people dressed as demons on Halloween? Been. Done.), but that isn't to diminish the 'everything combined to work out perfectly' feeling.

Get that picture up, man. You've piqued my curiosity.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
04:19 / 02.11.04
Yeah, still waiting for my man on the picture. There was a bit more to the costume thing... but that's a longer story...

Are we all excited about the election? Ready to rumble? Seems like the smart invocation would have been actuarial fairness - armies of vote-counting egregores crawling over the ballots, infusing each one with certainly-counted-this-one vibes...
 
 
Baz Auckland
10:47 / 02.11.04
For an odd change, I received an email this morning from the Worldview Weekend Evangelical Christians explaining that Kerry is evil:

"I believe anyone that does not vote on Tuesday is sinning and anyone that votes for Kerry is committing an even greater sin! This election is a worldview battle, a battle between good and evil....it is a spiritual battle.

This is it folks.....if Kerry wins and he appoints Judges to the U.S. Supreme Court; America is lost. If you do not vote on Tuesday and Kerry wins, don't complain about the increase in persecution that will surely follow..."
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
11:18 / 02.11.04
God, I wish someone would round up these freaks and shoot them or something.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
20:44 / 03.11.04
http://modernmagics.com/halloweenfun/source/41.html





This fucker.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:29 / 03.11.04
I don't think that looks like an Archon.
 
 
Ganesh
22:31 / 03.11.04
No, isn't it more of a proboscistastic insectile thing?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
23:12 / 03.11.04
Heh... it was *twenty*feet*high*. Really.

http://www.robertjpetersen.com/invisibles/other/art_40.jpg ain't far off...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:54 / 03.11.04
It's closer to John Merrick, really.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
10:10 / 04.11.04
It's a nice puppet. I spent Halloween locked in my flat afraid of zombies.

Again.
 
 
Ganesh
10:33 / 04.11.04
It's usually Valentine's Day does that to me.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
11:43 / 04.11.04
Which would make more sense as the zombie apocalypse is more likely to start when you're least prepared for it.

Oh, I see what you mean.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:44 / 04.11.04
I'm afraid I feel that the elevation of tenuous coincidence and stretched connections to "scary weirdness" weakens the whole concept of everyday magic.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:22 / 04.11.04
Please get over The Invisibles.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
05:13 / 06.11.04
My, what a cynical, shut down and generally lame bunch we are today. Good lord, what, you've got your servitors wedged so far up your collective anus you can't see the fun, cool, breezy and above all nifty side of a fucking US Representative pointing at a twenty foot tall, insect-headed, black-robed puppet towering over the crowd and saying "If Bush gets in again, it'll be Four More Years of something like that in the White House."

Jesus H. Christ, what does it take to get you people to pull your heads out of your asses and have a little fun?

I thought it was fucking cool. I really did. It was a touch of the mythic in everyday life.

So, what's wrong with Barbelith? Somebody pulled the plug on a subtle level? Boredom and community rot set in? Place filled up with wannabes and servitor-ridden life-force-depeleted drones? What? Because if something like this doesn't fly here, then where, boyos, then where.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:34 / 06.11.04
You weren't saying this was fun and nifty. You were making too much out of really mild coincidences, trying to elevate them into some kind of oo-ee chain of significance. I think beyond a certain point of plausibility that tendency seems irritating and to my mind undermines the kind of everyday Pop Mag!c Morrison talks about, where you are encouraged to read events as though they were charged symbols in a dream; because it's just getting too over-eager about stuff that doesn't deserve it, crying wolf when you see an Alsatian.

It was an Archon. And I was there, and it had meaning to me.

Portentous, doomy soothsaying, not "this was fun and nifty!"


I'd had that kind of Halloween anyway - "The Devil" had come up in conversation, both the entity and the tarot card, on Friday.


That you imply a mention of the devil on Halloween is somehow uncanny and remarkable is symptomatic of this tendency to exaggerate.


On Saturday, I walked into a thrift store looking for a costume, and came out with an all-white outfit, pants, jacket, turtle neck, shoes so I was the Gnostic Christ / Satan / Blind Chessman. It was a lame costume. I also picked up, on impulse, a seven or eight foot long wooden "chain" - wooden beads on a string, bright red. But, even with the Twister set rather than the Chessboard, it was kinda lame. Until two of my friends turned up "at random" as beautifully done male and female demons, with big wings, prosthetic horns, the real deal. So I hooked them up to the chain, paraded about the party for a few minutes, and it all felt much better.

Perfect "The Devil" tarot card image from components brought together by chance. There's a name for that!


I think the name for dressing up and then meeting friends who are dressed up is "Halloween". Like, "at random"? That's about as random as me saying "it was that kinda Christmas. I was sitting at the table and my mom brought out this big bird on a plate. Now, seriously guys, this wasn't just a normal bird. It was plucked, and cooked -- this fucker was roasted. I was sitting down and at an angle, and as I glanced at it with eyes half closed through the smoke from a candle (a RED candle...check the meaning of that one!) I saw something that made me want to soil my pants. It. Was. A. Lloigor. I mean, what are the chances? My whole family sitting round in a kind of "ritual" state, just waiting round the table with candles and knives in our hands, and my mom brings in this fucking Lloigor-bird!"
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
14:22 / 06.11.04
Comes down to intention, doesn't it. Coincidence which flows in the direction of one's will, one's welfare, that's magic.

There were less than two dozen people at the party I went to. I bagged two demons. I'd bought the chain earlier.

To me, that's magic. Being in the right place, at the right time, in the right frame of mind... having the universe support your intentions. That's also magic.

And as I said, what the Representative said has meaning *FOR*ME*. I don't think it says anything about the Nature of George Bush. I'm not making that claim.

By the standards you're judging by, there's no magic. Perhaps that's the trouble in these parts: that it keeps knocking on the door, but nobody will let it in.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
14:41 / 06.11.04
Seriously. I want to expand on that a little. The crux of the thing which makes it a magical act is buying the chain. Having no plan, no pre-arrangement, going to a small party, not knowing anybody else's costume plans, and buy a chain. That's a magical act.

The synchronicity of having two people turn up as matching male and female demons, completing the Tarot image, wouldn't mean anything if I hadn't bought the chain. It's the little seed of foreknowledge, demonstrated in the material world, which makes it magic.

The chain was part of the costume. I bought it knowing that. It formed the connection to the rest of the tablaux. That's a magical act, right there.

Never mind finding a pair of white pants in "FAT BASTARD" size at the last minute in a thrift store :-)

To me, at least, 90% of my magical activity is either creating or noticing-and-blending-with streams of little synchronicities like that. It's pretty subtle, but it answers most of the questions of mundane life much better than brute-force approaches like sigilization does. Finding apartments, jobs, needed items, new friends etc. without the usual "PHOTOSHOPPED INTO MY LIFE" vibe which sigilization tends to bring...

Now, it may be, kovacs, that you're such a big and powerful mage that stuff like this is simply below your notice, and that you're out there riding around on your big cannon of will pulling entities in from other dimensions, giving them orders, and telling them what they'll do for the next 800 years.

Or it could also be that you're actually one of those squeaky, miserable people who has a hard time when something goes right for somebody else. I don't know, but you sound a lot like the latter. As does a lot of conversation on Barbelith. I don't know whether this place just kind of shot it's wad a couple of years ago or what, but it really does have a rather ground-in, depressive vibe.

What's with that? Where's the joy, the hope, the optimisim. Who's making progresss, who's changed their life, who's transending their old world and living in a new one of their own design?

Who's becoming fictional, master of their course, rather than whiney, leechy, "that's just coincidence" (DUH! THAT'S WHAT MOST MAGIC LOOKS LIKE IF YOU DO IT RIGHT) suckmeisters?

I am. I actually showed up here looking for some like-minded people to play with. Ain't you, kovacs. Too goddam negative. In fact, the entire board (I've been lurking rather a lot) really reminds me a lot of the fringes of a medium-bad suburban pagan coven.

One has to ask, what exactly does it take to get you people hard?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:02 / 06.11.04
You're the one who whines and bitches "I don't wanna play with you guys" just because nobody seems to be wetting themselves over your revelations: how do you get off saying I'm a tight-ass, sour, small-minded spoilsport when your response to my scepticism was petty abuse?

You don't even have the courage of your convictions -- it started off as a claim that the "weirdness meter [was] off the scale" and got downgraded to "fun, cool, breezy, nifty" when nobody seemed to buy your original theory that you'd witnessed some rift between reality and fiction. Your second tack, that you were just admiring something kinda neat, doesn't tally with what you originally claimed.

No, I don't regard myself as some kind of mage riding a pink cloud or whatever your ludicrous insult implied. I just personally think you, and indeed some other people who discuss magic on Barbelith, seem faintly desperate in trying to construct a bigger mythic design out of minor elements that only seem like weirdzo synchronicity if you really squint from the right angle.

I'm open to finding patterns in daily life and trying to scry some meaning from them, but sometimes it just reads like those people on Star Wars forums who freezeframe an explosion from the new teaser trailer and insist there's the face of an Ewok hidden in it: or those conspiracy nuts who saw the Devil and Bin Laden in the smoke from the WTC.

Anyway it's ironic that you're complaining about everyone's small-minded attitude when you're so closed-off to anyone else's opinion and unwilling to accept any form of challenge or criticism. If you just want a community where you can stand up and be sure your little showpiece is going to be applauded, I expect you can find one -- and you'll be reassured to know I wouldn't be part of such a community.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
15:17 / 06.11.04
Weirdness meter was indeed off the scale, Kovacs. But so what? Weirdness comes, weirdness goes. You may have mistaken me for somebody who *BELIEVES* in "The Invisibles" as a religion or something, but I'm not. I was commenting on it as a reflection, the mythology worming it's way into the nooks and crannies of reality.

That is all.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:50 / 06.11.04
Well OK, I have been harsh enough to you on this thread... it wasn't really called-for. I feel no animosity toward you or your opinions, I just enjoy arguing sometimes.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
06:55 / 07.11.04
 
  
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