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My granddad just died.

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:06 / 26.10.04
Just spoke to my mum. My granddad just died.
Which sucks for many reasons. Apart from anything else, when he was diagnosed with cancer a few weeks ago, I promised myself I'd go and see him. Even though he and my (now dead also) grandmother were estranged and hadn't spoken for about forty years, he always kind of rated me, as his son's son, so I figured it'd be cool if I could go and see him before he died. I was planning to go and visit him with my mother next month, but neither of us figured it'd be so quick.
It also sucks because he was kind of my last blood connection with my dad.

Just re-read this. It seems fairly cold... it's not supposed to. I'm actually a bit fucking blown away by this news, and not really sure what else to say, or even why I'm posting it.

Arse.
 
 
subcultureofone
21:19 / 26.10.04
i'm so sorry this has happened. if transatlantic hugs are of any help, i'm sending some your way. and a moratorium on dying.
 
 
Ganesh
21:29 / 26.10.04
I kinda know the "cold" feeling, Stoatie; my last remaining grandparent died at the end of January, and it was almost a feeling of anticlimax - possibly because there was absolutely nothing unexpected about the fact or the timing of her death. There's not the same sense of shock or anger or anguish as when a partner or a parent or (especially) a child dies, a death 'out of order'. We expect grandparents to die, and I think the sense of sudden loss is purer somehow, less tainted with other emotions - as if someone's just been blotted out of one's life. If any of that makes sense.

I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to see him before he died. That's pretty rough.

Thinking of you.
 
 
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21:32 / 26.10.04
Stoatie I'm really sorry to have read that. Here's hoping that you get through this in the best possible way and that you have some friends/relatives to be with now or as soon as possible.

Peace man and stay strong because things have to get better for you soon, and I'm sure that they will.
 
 
HCE
22:17 / 26.10.04
I hate how thin words meant to be comforting sound when you post them online. I hope you can fill in the warmth that's behind them. Please take care of yourself and know that many of us will be thinking of you and wishing you well.
 
 
Nobody's girl
23:34 / 26.10.04
My last grandad died earlier this year. I was in a similar situation to you, Stoatie. He had just been put into a nursing home because he was getting too frail and my Gran wasn't able to look after him. My brother and I vowed to go see him just as he was settling in and two weeks later he died.

I didn't really feel much grief, more a kind of heaviness, until the funeral. The funeral brought out the tears though. Seeing the small box that contained what was left of my Granpa, who always seemed such an imposing figure, was very sad. It made me think of the Billy Bragg "Tank Park Salute" lyric- "I accepted the commiserations/Of all your friends and your relations/But there'some thing I still don't understand/You were so tall/How could you fall?"

You have my deepest sympathies and *huggles*
 
 
alas
00:01 / 27.10.04
Stoatie--When my last grandpa died I felt like the shore was dropping out from under my feet and falling into the ocean in big chunks. Take care.
 
 
Cloned Christ on a HoverDonkey
00:10 / 27.10.04
This has brought many buried feelings to the fore. I sorta have the idea that we're of a very similar age, Stoats, but my last grandparent died when I was 10 years old; around 1982-ish.

I think of my grandads now and want to cry, chiefly because they now define how I want to treat my son.

These guys come from a different time to us and embody so many things that it's almost alien to us; I think my biggest loss when I lost my grandad (on my Dad's side) was the whole concept of naive love and altruism.

On my Mum's side it was a huge sense of family.

I think when you lose a grandparent you lose a crutch in your life; a seemingly permanent pillar of endlesslyt forgiving understanding that can nevr be replaced.

I fill up with emotion whenever I think of my grandparents because everything was right with them.

What I'm trying to say is that my Grandad and Grandma will live forever in my mind, and that their influence will not only affect me, but my son and his children

I'm not crying out of sadness any more, but through my own emotional overload regarding the future, which through them has become overwhelmingly positivr.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:13 / 27.10.04
God. I'm so sorry to hear that, hon.

Thinking of you, sending love at you.
 
 
iamus
00:24 / 27.10.04
Really sorry to hear that, man.
My Gran's pretty bad just now and it's only a matter of time, so I get some of where you are.
It's a real shitty situation but things should only get better from here on in.
I hope you're OK.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:35 / 27.10.04
I'm sorry, Stoats. I didn't know/don't remember my grandfathers, but losing a grandparent, even one you haven't seen for a long time, is difficult - partly because you don't get the same immediate emotional punch and expulsive need to express the pain that you do with younger people. So, don't worry about how you're expressing the emotion - it'll come in the way it needs to. In the meantime, take care of yourself - if there's anytihng we can do, shout...
 
 
Baz Auckland
00:36 / 27.10.04
Sorry to hear that Stoatie.
 
 
Olulabelle
00:55 / 27.10.04
Oh Stoatie, I'm so sorry. You are not alone, I too am running out of relatives - my Grandma died on Thursday and I hadn't seen her for ages, either. Nevertheless, it's horrid, isn't it?


Poor you.

Hugs.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
06:20 / 27.10.04
So sorry to hear this. You know we are just around the corner if you need us.

I'm not trying to be funny, but do you wonder if in heaven or netherworld or wherever, the recently departed get together and work it all out? Maybe your grandad and John Peel sharing a pint of celestial comfort and chat and debating what you ever saw in all that weird music stuff?

I know the feeling when it seems like everyone is dying; you must rely on those of us still living. We love you very much.
 
 
Ariadne
06:24 / 27.10.04
Oh Stoatie, you're having a tough time of it just now, aren't you? Hope you're okay.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
06:28 / 27.10.04
Very sorry to hear this. Best wishes, Mr Stoat.
 
 
Sax
06:47 / 27.10.04
Best wishes, Stoati. That's rough.

(Makes mental note to go and see grandma soon).
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
07:19 / 27.10.04
Sorry, Stoater. You've my condolensces, my condensations, and my Condoleezas.

My three formerly living grandfolks all died within three years of one another, all in their 90's. Sadly, none of these made more than a passing emotional impact on me, as both my parents, for different reasons and by different routes, kept me at arm's length from them all through most of my life. The last to go, my maternal grandmother, I'd visited something like 5 weeks before she kicked off, on what was perhaps her last healthy day. I have a great picture of her and my nephew reading a book together.

Consider yourself lucky that you had the time you did. If you're feeling pain, it means you did something right.

/+,
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:46 / 27.10.04
Thank you, everyone.

Hmm. I'll never forget the time I went to see him, and (as was his wont) he slipped me a tenner. He said "don't let anyone get you to do anything sensible with it... get yourself a couple of beers". I felt terribly guilty when I actually spent it on a book. (The next time he did the same, I deliberately went straight to the pub when I got home, but ended up spending the money on acid. Never did quite get it right.)

It's made me realise how much I'm dreading the inevitable call about my other (and much frailer) granddad- I don't know how mum's gonna cope when that happens.

Oh well. Today I'll finally have that pint for him.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:07 / 27.10.04
My sympathies, mate. I got a phone call exactly a month ago today telling me that my Grandad had died. He was 88, closed artery. The neighbours called my Mam cos his telly had been on all night and they thought something might be wrong. I went up for the funeral a couple of weeks ago. It brought out a strange set of emotions. I was very close to both of my maternal grandparents, who just lived around the corner from my parents house. They played a big role in bringing me up, and now both of them are gone.

My Gran died in 98, which was devastating as I'd never experienced someone close to me die before. I'd been kind of preparing myself for the eventuality of my Grandad passing away for a few years now, but I wasnt expecting it to happen so suddenly. I saw him in July and he was in good health. If he was still alive, it would have been his 88th birthday tomorrow. Because I live so far away, it's difficult to get my head around the fact that he's not still pottering about his house in North Shields.

I'd actually been planning to phone him for several weeks before he died. I had a strong sense that I should call him, but kept putting it off and now it's too late. My Mam said she felt the same way, that she should have gone round there more often and kept in touch more regularly. I told her that the last thing he would have wanted was for us to feel guilty over stuff like that, but it doesnt stop those feelings from rising up. I mean, I even feel guilty about not listening to John Peel as often as I should have.

It's weird, because, like other people have said upthread, I didn't get the immediate emotional punch because I think at some level I'd been preparing myself for this happening. The grief finds funny ways to express itself. My main feeling was that, in some sense, he's now with my Gran again, which is where he belongs. It always seemed that a part of him was missing after she died. So I found it difficult to feel sad about that, because in a strange way, it felt right. As if they were both happy.

I also found that the ancestor work aspect of the magic stuff that I do was really useful for providing a context for dealing with the idea of death. Because speaking to the ancestors is such a big part of my practice, it doesn't feel so much like I've lost their support. They are still there for me. There's already photos of them both on my altar, and I can still speak to them, share food with them, tell them what's going on in my life, and ask their advice. Which is important because I thought the actual funeral service really fell short of addressing any of what I was feeling.

When I was up in Newcastle last Christmas, I went for a beer with my Grandad on boxing day. Just me and him. I'm really happy that I got a chance to do that, as it's how I'll always remember him. We both got pissed, and he told me loads of family history stuff I'd never heard before, and due to several pints of lager, unfortunately now can't fully remember. He also told me that he wanted me to inherit his wristwatch that he bought when he came back from fighting in Burma during WW2. After the funeral I went for a walk to the old house where they used to live when I was growing up, stood outside and put my Grandad's watch on my wrist, then went and had a look through the window of the newsagents in the village that he used to run during the 60s, then went to the bar across the road where my Gran used to work as a barmaid, drank a double whisky for them, and remembered them in my own way. For me, this was a part of the funeral service, and meant more to me than the vicar running through his formulaic ritual.

Putting on his watch, I was overwhelmed by the sense that I'm now occupying a new generational slot in my family. It felt almost as if a new aspect of adulthood has opened up, with its own responsibilities and requirements. I'm not really sure what that means, but I feel as if something has subtly changed in how I think about my relationships with my family, and about my life in general. His watch is an old wind up thing, and when I hold it near my head, or if I'm in a quiet room, I can hear it ticking. It reminds me how important it is to make the most of, and the best of, the time that I have myself.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:10 / 27.10.04
I'msorry for your loss, Stoatie. This has been a rough time for you.
 
 
Ganesh
11:36 / 27.10.04
Putting on his watch, I was overwhelmed by the sense that I'm now occupying a new generational slot in my family. It felt almost as if a new aspect of adulthood has opened up, with its own responsibilities and requirements. I'm not really sure what that means, but I feel as if something has subtly changed in how I think about my relationships with my family, and about my life in general.

I know exactly what you mean. I remember once reading (I think) a poem about boulders in a stream, the central conceit being that the boulders grounded the stream, held it to the earth, defined its course. When my father died, over a decade ago now, that same image came back to me as a possible metaphor for the way family members serve to anchor one's life, for better or worse. Mixed in with the loss and regret was a weird sense of... almost exhilaration, of my life's course suddenly being more mutable, of being a little freer to be my own man.

At the time, I felt quite guilty to be thinking these thoughts but, on reading around the subject of death and bereavement (which, as a medical student with a strong interest in psychiatry/psychology, was one of the ways I coped, I think), it seems this is not uncommon. Kubler-Ross considered this process of reflection/revision (of one's place within the family and life in general) to be an element of 'healthy' bereavement, of generations living and dying in the 'expected order'.

All very bittersweet, I know, but it sounds like you had a really good, warm relationship with your grandad, Stoatie, with plenty of sunny memories...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:54 / 27.10.04
Maybe your grandad and John Peel sharing a pint of celestial comfort and chat and debating what you ever saw in all that weird music stuff?

And they can have my car. That just died too. I'm really not having the best week.
 
 
Sekhmet
12:40 / 27.10.04
Oh, poor Stoatie... one thing after another, isn't it?

I just wanted to say that you should take some consolation that you had a relationship with your grandfather - so many families now have weird estrangements and divorces and things, and everything's screwed up. My mom's dad died a few years ago - a man that I never met, and rarely heard about. In point of fact, I don't even know what his first name was. I should probably find that out. Needless to say, we didn't go to the funeral either.

So even if the family dynamics were a bit weird, and even if you didn't get that last visit in, be glad that you knew him, and that you got the opportunity to care about each other.
 
 
alas
13:40 / 27.10.04
My condolences on the car, too, Stoat!--what was the model? (I'm not a car-namer myself, but did yours have a name? Or just a [rubber?] soul?)
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
15:26 / 27.10.04
Sorry to hear it, Stoat.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
16:30 / 27.10.04
my condolences, Stoat.
my dad's mum, the last of my grandparents, died a couple of years ago. since my mam and dad are both only children (and now orphans) i'm running out of relatives too. from the older generation there's just my great uncle ron.

i suppose that one of the reasons i do the job i do now. someone has the help the old dears and totally gut wrenching having to tell anyone that a relative has gone.
 
 
Bill Posters
16:49 / 27.10.04
Sorry Stoatster. (I was at my gran's funeral two weeks ago. Though tbh, the worst thing's been dealing with my Mum who's taken it very badly.)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:47 / 27.10.04
My condolences on the car, too, Stoat!--what was the model?

1970 VW Beetle 1302s. Called "Bugpuss", on account of the fact that I always intended to get a Bagpuss paint job. (To get REALY maudlin for a minute, the main reason I wanted a car was so I could take *the late* Biscuits out to the countryside. Arse on all counts.)

I should phone my mum, really. Find out about the funeral and stuff, if they know yet. Fuck it, I'll wait until tomorrow.
 
 
Bed Head
21:41 / 27.10.04
Condolences from me too, Stoatie. Look after yourself.
 
 
rizla mission
07:56 / 28.10.04
Very sorry to hear about the sad time you're having Stoatie - all the best etc.

Seems to be far too much death around at the moment wherever you look.
 
 
illmatic
11:42 / 28.10.04
Very sorry to hear it, Stoat. Best wishes, man.

Hope you don't mind me saying so, but the best way I found to deal with all this stuff when it's happened to me, was through some sort of closing. This works for any kind of breakup, not just bereavment. Just imaging that person and then saying all the stuff that you never said. This can include all the bad stuff as well - anger (for any issues that you haven't resolved), resentment (at them for leaving you), fear (at how you'll cope with out them) and so on and so on. All and everything, get it out in the open. You can "dialogue" with this person in your head, perhaps moving into a seat where you've been imagining them sitting, and answering back on their behalf - this may sound a bit weird, but it feels quite natural, and lets an understanding of their past actions penetrate through to you. This is a process that you can keep going and going and all issues are talked through and resolved (this may take weeks or even months) - and then, when you feel you're ready, say a heartfelt GOODBYE from the depths of your being. Really mean it. Then wish them good will, whereever they are.

This helped me anyway. I did it a few months after my Dad died, and it helped me come to terms with his death. To my surprise, when I'd done this, I "saw" him back in his native land, where he was born. Seemed to bring a sense of closure to the feelings surrounding his death. I still dream of him quite frequently, but it's not with the same degree of pain/shock that I used to.
 
 
A fall of geckos
11:57 / 28.10.04
Condolences Stoatie - my last grandparent died fairly recently. Family losses are always hard.
 
 
Brigade du jour
17:45 / 28.10.04
Fuck, man. I'm so sorry.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
09:44 / 01.11.04
Only just read this cos I've been abroad for a week - really, really sorry hon. After all the crap that's happened this year, I guarantee that 2005 will be a much happier year for you. Love and huggles xxx
 
  

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