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Arnold Schwarzenegger: a model governor?

 
 
PatrickMM
17:29 / 25.10.04
So, it seems like every day in the news I see Arnold Schwarzenegger coming out in support of an issue that I'm hugely supportive of.

Here he's touting a plan for hydrogen fueling stations on California highways. Now, admittedly he's still driving a Hummer, but at least he's not just talking about alternate fuel plans, he's putting them into action.

Then here he's endorsing a stem cell research bond, going against his own party's thinking. The Iraq war is huge, but in the long term, stem cell research may be the most important issue in this election and the world right now, and I'm glad to see a Republican breaking from the party and coming out for it.

I can't find an article right now, but he also supports a proposition that would change the primary system, to allow all voters to vote in primaries, regardless of party affiliation.

So, shockingly, Schwarzenegger seems to have become something of a model governor, breaking from his party when he disagrees with it, and being generally progressive. It's obviously disconcerting that he'll speak out in favor of Bush at the convention, in such a goofy way, with the references to 'girly men' and such, but actions speak louder than words, and his actions are doing pretty well. It seems that the boost he gets from his celebrity status has allowed him the freedom to be more nonpartisan than most national political figures. Even as a staunch leftist, I'm pretty impressed by what he's been doing. Have you?
 
 
diz
17:43 / 25.10.04
i've got to say, i'm a California resident, and i'm quite happy with him, all things considered. there are a few issues where i'm at odds with him, but i'm fairly far from the American or even the Californian political mainstream, so i'm never really happy happy. he's generally to the left of Kerry, frankly. i like him.

i also like the fact that he's putting a popular face on the non-Bible-thumping portion of the Republican party. anything that works towards either forcing a split between the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives, or just wrenching control away from the crazy right in general, is good in my book.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:52 / 25.10.04
Yes, yes, yes. He stood up for gay & lesbian domestic partnerships AND for stem cell research, commenting that he's a more centrist Republican than those currently in the White House. Hell, at least he seems to be doing mostly sensible things overall.

He also joked that he got no sex for about 2 weeks when he stumped for Bush at the RNC. Maria Shriver, his wife, is of course a Democratic Kennedy-related person. They often joke about their political differences in their marriage.
 
 
Ganesh
18:02 / 25.10.04
I'm confused: is he for us girly-men, or against us?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:08 / 01.11.04
In today's headlines, Arnold said he would definitely run for President if the Republican-proposed law that would allow foreign-born citizens to be President (which is being created especially for Ah-nold) goes through.

Innnteresting...
 
 
ibis the being
14:17 / 01.11.04
Republican-proposed law that would allow foreign-born citizens to be President

This is odd to me. Have we become so short-sighted that we'd change the qualifications for President so quickly, just for one cool action hero politician? I assume they'll have to replace the "American born" item with some requirement about years of residence, but even Darling Arnold doesn't have many. How this fits in with far right Conservatives' rampant xenophobia is beyond me.
 
 
fluid_state
14:47 / 01.11.04
Who else could stand a chance against Hillary? If the Dems want to build a radically progressive* candidate with a decade or two of steady celebrity, well, a two-party system can play at that game.

* - y'know, given that she's made the uncommon choice of being a woman and all. Her actual politics are outside my sphere of knowledge.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:50 / 01.11.04
I'd say that law, regardless whether or not it's being passed for Arnold, would be a good thing. If people have lived in the US for most of their lives, there's no reason they should be penalized just for being born elsewhere. That, along with the electoral college, is something that was created for a specific reason by the founders, and doesn't neccessarily apply to today's world.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:27 / 01.11.04
Yes, " Take off your clothes " as his mission statement, and " I'll be back " as his re-election logo. It's almost too perfect not to happen.
 
 
Baz Auckland
18:34 / 01.11.04
From what I've read, the law being considered right now would allow anyone to run for president once they've been here for 20 years. (Schwarzenegger has been a resident since 1983.)

...they should also scrap the 'must be at least 35 to run' law as well. We need some 18 year-olds running!
 
 
Jack Denfeld
23:23 / 01.11.04
I heard that they were thinking about doing that for Bob Hope back in the day.
 
 
lekvar
23:31 / 01.11.04
Baz, we already had one, remember?

As for Arnold, as a California resident, I keep holding my breath every time he speaks, waiting for the chance to denounce him as one of those evil, evil neocons, or a puppet thereof.

Still waiting.

In the meantime, he has been the greenest/most progressive Republican governor in the state's history. He's actually being (relatively) non-partisan. He's "Compassionate." As much as I hate to admit it, he's a socially-responsible Conservative. I find his budgeting to be suspicious, and I think his idea of using Native American casinos to get the state out of the hole financially is ridiculous, but that's the worst I can say about him so far.

Oh, and he needs to shoot his speechwriters. And bury the bodies in unhallowed ground.
 
 
CameronStewart
02:23 / 02.11.04
I've found it strange that a country that was founded by immigrants, and espouses an ideal that posits that immigrants can arrive, settle, get a job, start a business, and raise a prosperous family, thereby living the "American Dream," would have a law prohibiting an immigrant from being its leader.

I really can't imagine Arnold being a good president (in fact the idea of it is rather terrifying), but I think he absolutely should have the right to run.
 
 
FinderWolf
11:20 / 02.11.04
What would we call him...? The "Presidentinator"?
 
 
Ganesh
13:34 / 02.11.04
The Running For Office Man.
 
 
diz
14:33 / 02.11.04
I'm confused: is he for us girly-men, or against us?

he's said he has no problem with same-sex marriage. by the standards of American politics in general, that puts him very solidly on the left on the LGBT rights issue, and by the standards of his own party, he's waaaaay over to the left.

in general, he's had positive things to say about the issue and has resisted a lot of pressure from his party to take a more anti-gay stand. on this issue, he's not only not the bad guy, he's actually more-or-less one of the good guys.

This is odd to me. Have we become so short-sighted that we'd change the qualifications for President so quickly, just for one cool action hero politician?

honestly, he's not the only reason we'd do it. on the most crass level, the governor of Michigan is a popular "electable" Democrat who happens to have been born in Canada. currently, the maple syrup running through her veins makes her ineligible for Our Highest Office, but a lot of Democrats would like to change that.

and, well...

I've found it strange that a country that was founded by immigrants, and espouses an ideal that posits that immigrants can arrive, settle, get a job, start a business, and raise a prosperous family, thereby living the "American Dream," would have a law prohibiting an immigrant from being its leader.

exactly. dare i say it, but i see it as an issue of principle. i think that amending the Constitution to allow immigrants to run for President, rather than short-sightedly hiding behind a requirement i've never believed in in the first place in order to keep a popular Republican off the ballot for a few election cycles, is taking the long-term view.

I assume they'll have to replace the "American born" item with some requirement about years of residence, but even Darling Arnold doesn't have many.

he's got 21 years under his belt.

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i think it's also telling that a lot of Democrats assume he would win if he ran. i think he would win... if he could get the party's nomination, and i honestly don't know whether he could. you have to win over the evangelicals to win the Republican primaries, and a pro-stem cell research candidate who's OK with gay marriage and has a history of group sex and so on and so forth is not going to do that. however, moderate Republicans would support him pretty strongly, and he would have the aura of electability. his candidacy would probably tear the party apart and split the already-tense relationship between the evangelicals and the rest of the Republicans wide open.
 
 
Ganesh
15:03 / 02.11.04
he's said he has no problem with same-sex marriage. by the standards of American politics in general, that puts him very solidly on the left on the LGBT rights issue, and by the standards of his own party, he's waaaaay over to the left.

in general, he's had positive things to say about the issue and has resisted a lot of pressure from his party to take a more anti-gay stand. on this issue, he's not only not the bad guy, he's actually more-or-less one of the good guys.


That's my impression from what's been said here - hence my bemusement at his "girly-men" comment, which sits rather oddly alongside the rest of his enlightened-for-a-Republican stance.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:11 / 02.11.04
>>>I assume they'll have to replace the "American born" item with some requirement about years of residence,<<<

Probably a minimum term of residency, no criminal record, a demonstrable value to the country because of public service, etc etc.

Go for it, I say.
 
 
ibis the being
15:39 / 02.11.04
I'm not necessarily against the law, I just haven't thought or read much about it yet, and I guess I'm just alarmed by the speed with which Repubs are pushing to pass it, seemingly (their speed that is) for the sake of a single candidate. I suppose, though I'm quite liberal on most issues, I'm conservative when it comes to making changes to the fundamentals. I'd just like to see a little more discussion on it, because I do have some concerns. I have to confess that at this point I'm wary of anything the Republicans are really gung-ho about, and that's not fair, but we have The Great Uniter to thank for that.

We've seen how corporate profit can muck things up when it's in bed with government (Halliburtin no-bid contract, for one). What if a foreign-born President who's only been here for 20 years starts handing over major contracts to a foreign corporation? Then not only do we have a failure of ethics, but outsourcing on a grand scale too. I don't actually think 20 yrs of residence are overwhelmingly significant when most Presidents are 60-70 yrs old and have probably been in politics and/or business for 20 yrs in their home country.

And, call me paranoid, but what if a group of powerful Neo-Cons managed to get an Israeli-born President in power whose main priority in foreign policy was to have Israel take over the Middle East region? Granted, it's not likely, but if it's possible.... I don't mean to be playing the "What If" game and maybe my examples are lame, but shouldn't we be talking about the potential downsides of the law?
 
 
diz
15:58 / 02.11.04
That's my impression from what's been said here - hence my bemusement at his "girly-men" comment, which sits rather oddly alongside the rest of his enlightened-for-a-Republican stance.

i think the "girly-men" thing was a tongue-in-cheek nod to the old "Pumping Up With Hans and Franz" sketches on SNL that used to parody Ahnold, not a gay-baiting thing as such.
 
 
grant
16:07 / 02.11.04
Yeah, he's well aware of his status as a caricature, and wisely chooses to engage with it rather than run from it.

Has he only been in the States for 21 years? Maybe that's when he became a citizen. Pumping Iron, though, was way older than that. I thought he'd been around since then. (I have no reason for thinking that.)
 
 
lekvar
20:17 / 02.11.04
Diz brings up an interesting point- I'm as guilty as the next knee-jerk liberal in assuming that Arnie would win, or at least make a strong run for, the presidency. History tends to take a different view though- consider how soundly G.W. beat McCain, the populist Republican from Arizona. But then people who have no idea who their state senator is will know exactly who Arnold is... and name recognition goes a long way.
 
 
grant
11:38 / 03.11.04
He would totally win the country. I never had any doubt Ronald Reagan would win or Jesse Ventura would win. In fact, I don't think the current election comes down to moral values as much as "moral values" -- as learned on television.

Americans watch a *lot* of television. We like those action heroes, and we like it when simple plots are resolved simply. I think all people do, it's just that we see it happen a lot more often. Nightly, in our living rooms.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
17:49 / 03.11.04
I brought this up in another thread, but since this seems to be the place, here's the arnold bill, designed for Schwarzenegger, which would let naturalised citizens become president.
 
 
Ganesh
17:52 / 03.11.04
Yeah, he's well aware of his status as a caricature, and wisely chooses to engage with it rather than run from it.

I'm not sure his previous comment came across as 'wise' or self-deprecating. If he's truly moderate/sympathetic on gay issues, he'd be best advised to avoid that sort of thing. And perhaps terminate his President.
 
 
grant
20:10 / 03.11.04
I don't think he's necessarily any more sympathetic to gay issues than any other "mainstream" American politician -- maybe "shrewd" more than "wise." His public image comes first, anyway, and it's hard to get leverage on something based on a satire of himself as a musclehead. You can't really enter a dialogue on trhose terms, even as a critic, without being part of the satire. Shrewd, see?
 
 
Ganesh
20:14 / 03.11.04
Not seeing it myself, no - still coming across like casual use of the word "faggot" in ostensibly gay-friendly/sypathetic/not-unsympathetic politician - but what the heyyy.
 
  
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