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Where will you be on November 3rd?

 
 
Jack Fear
12:20 / 23.10.04
I’ve been thinking about what I might do if Election 2004 is a replay of Election 2000—and unless there’s a clear landslide (which very well might happen; polls are showing large numbers still undecided, and undecideds tend to break against the incumbent), that’s a real possibility. Given the dangerous precedent of Bush v. Gore, both parties have legal teams assembled. If there’s even a whiff of uncertainty, there’s a nightmare of suits and counter-suits waiting to be unleashed.

I’m terrified that, in the absence of a clear mandate, the administration will pull that favorite trick of banana-republic strongmen and simply declare victory. The Supreme Court will almost certainly back the Bush administration along its usual 5-4 split, and Kerry—like Al Gore before him, brought up in the Senate, where compromise is a constructive value—will roll over “for the sake of national unity” and “for the good of the country.”

And that all across the country there will be huge wells of anger and energy, but no focus. I wanted then—I want now—to hop the first bus to Washington, and—then what? Well, that’s where it all falls apart, see.

Surely the progressive movement can’t be unaware of the real possibility of another stolen election—and they must know that the key to dealing with it is quick grassroots action; If Bush goes Pinochet on us on Tuesday, we need to have a million people on the Mall by Saturday. (If there is a clear landslide, well, then you’ve got either the world’s biggest victory party [if Kerry takes it], or a digging-in-our-heels, keep-hope-alive-in-the-dark-days-ahead rallying of the faithful [if Bush].)

But I haven’t seen anything about any planned large-scale actions or rallies across the MoveOn / CommonDreams axis of liberal websites; I suppose ANSWER will be gathering burn the winner in effigy, whoever he is—but the mainstream lefties are all focused on Election Day itself, on getting out the vote, and trusting to the Kerry legal team to get tough if things get hinky. But can we really afford to just hope for the best?


So: two questions—

(a) Anyone know of any planned demos for the weeks immediately following the election? Websites, info clearing-houses, etc. most welcome.

(b) Realistically, do you think it would be possible for any group to organize a mass demonstration—on a par with the London and NYC action of this past year—within the three-to-ten day window after the election?
 
 
Nobody's girl
13:25 / 23.10.04
a) No, but check out the usual suspects like Indymedia and you might be able to see what people have planned.

b)Probably not, but if you got word out now you might be able to organise something substantial.
 
 
ibis the being
16:48 / 23.10.04
(a)No

(b)Yes, but I don't think anyone's likely to be anywhere on Nov.3 other than glued to a television. I highly doubt there will be an election result of any kind on that day. Which would be a plus in a way, bc it would buy a little time for organizing. I have no doubt that people will protest en mass if this election is shady.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:02 / 23.10.04
b) Depends how many people you mean. 150,000- easy, 2,000,000, probably not. All you really need is to arrange a time and a place, for instance a specific location in Washington, at 7pm the day after the news breaks so that people can go there at the last moment. On the day that the Iraq war finally broke Londoners knew that they could go and protest in Parliament Square months in advance.
 
 
lekvar
14:03 / 24.10.04
I was in DC when the first Gulf War erupted. We were in the streets within three days. It was like Pensylvania Ave. tripled in density, and like a black hole, drew all the angry leftists to its center. If Dubya "wins" I can guarantee you that the protesters will be twenty-deep outside the capitol.
 
 
betty woo
13:37 / 25.10.04
Personally, I plan on setting up an eBay auction for my Canadian hand in marriage to an American in need of a green card - offer good for either gender! (More seriously, I actually do know Canadians who are prepping a support network in the event that American friends decide to flee their country post-election. It's one of those half-in-jest, half-serious things: people talk like it's a joke, but they're still rearranging the living room and buying extra guest towels.)

Given the number of lawyers that both sides have already gotten arrayed, I suspect it's going to take longer than Nov 3rd before the results are known.
 
 
sleazenation
14:29 / 25.10.04
In a state of alcohol induced oblivion...- it remains to be determined if that will be one of joy or tears...
 
 
diz
16:26 / 25.10.04
on behalf of distressed Americans everywhere, thank you for your generous offer, betty woo. i really need to get in touch with my biological father. i was pleasantly surprised to learn a few years ago that he's a full-fledged Canadian citizen. maybe i can get some kind of dual-citizenship thing on that basis.

but this train of thought does bring up a thorny issue: where should we draw the line between "stand and fight in a country gone hostile" and "let's get the fuck out of here." if all the sane people flee to the True North Strong and Free, the US will be worse off, but i'm not a big fan of going down with the ship for its own sake. what do y'all think?
 
 
Malle Babbe
21:22 / 25.10.04
Instead of marching en masse to D.C., has anyone given any thought to assembling reaction groups that can go to ballot counting locations in the event GOP Thug Squads descend upon them as they did in Florida in 2000. The goons that you saw shoving doors were not in fact locals; they were office staffers of Congressional GOP members flown down to stir shit up.
 
 
w1rebaby
22:32 / 25.10.04
On November 3rd I will be in London, recovering from jetlag with the aid of alcohol.

I don't, to be honest, have any plans for doing anything particularly if Bush wins or there is blatant cheating or whatever, mostly because I consider the whole process such a farce that one faction fiddling the ballot is nothing compared to the oligarchy running the whole process. Oh, sure, if cheating is detected I'll do my best to publicise it, which will mostly involve writings on the internet, but only as a means of discrediting the system as a whole. If I was in the US still I'd go on marches and whatnot to help this but in the UK I don't think that would be particularly productive.
 
 
subcultureofone
00:21 / 26.10.04
here's a link to stop a stolen election
 
 
bjacques
12:59 / 26.10.04
The problem with trying to react to Bush pulling a Pinochet (or Lukashenko) is that it won't happen all at once. I remember that in 2000 it seemed to go back and forth and of course it took at least a month. If it's in doubt, though, plan for the weekend, the 6th. By then it will be clear whether Karl Rove plans to sue for every close vote while throwing up a stink (as he's done before).

Overseas, I *hope* the boys down in Lewes have already built their Bush effigies for Bonfire Night. Depending on the election result it will be either an exorcism or the first burnt Bush post-election.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:08 / 26.10.04
I remember that in 2000 it seemed to go back and forth and of course it took at least a month.

Thirty-five horrible, soul-sucking, nightmarish days.

And then things got really bad.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:12 / 26.10.04
I found a site one of those links called www.electionreform.org - to abolish the Electoral College and establish the popular vote as winning.
 
 
grant
17:31 / 26.10.04
If things do get hinky (how I love that word!), I live in Florida and now have plenty of space to offer couch-crashers. Just don't do anything illegal or messy around the house. We just moved in, and it's already enough trouble to maintain.
 
 
charrellz
17:32 / 26.10.04
I just found out my parents have planned a trip to Vancouver for Halloween weekend. I guess they're scouting it out...

I need to start looking for prices on bus/plane tickets to see if it would even be possible to get to D.C. for anything, as I don't think there will be too many anti-Bush protests here in North Texas. Hopefully we're all worried for nothing - if not, I've always wondered what it would be like to be in a riot.
 
 
coweatman
18:32 / 26.10.04
this could just well have something to do with all the problems that indymedia has been having recently.
 
 
diz
19:45 / 26.10.04
I found a site one of those links called www.electionreform.org - to abolish the Electoral College and establish the popular vote as winning.

that's not going to go anywhere anytime soon. you'd have to amend the constitution, and i can surely think of at least the minimum of, what, 13 states necessary to obstruct that.
 
  
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