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"Play" Rites

 
 
nidu713
18:00 / 22.10.04
In the movie "Eyes Wide Shut", Tom Cruise sneaks into some secret group ritual. Afterwards, his friend (Zigler, I think... I can't remember for sure) confronts him about it, and assures him that it wasn't real, and to leave it alone. Not much is alluded to how much his friend actually knows about what was going on there, other than the fact that he knew more than Tom Cruise because he was actually invited.

As well, in the movie "Interview with the Vampire", a theatre in Paris is depicted where vampires ritually kill a woman in front of an audience, who thinks that the whole thing is a play.

What I want to address is the aspect of rituals which are presented as "plays" -- in the traditional and non-traditional sense.

Does this deliberate action to blur the lines of reality and consensus (or between reality and consensus) act as a catalyst to manifest the will behind the ritual?

Let's hypothesize:

The 1st misconception - The consensus that what the audience is witnessing isn't real.

The 2nd misconception - The consensus that the audience is the audience and not part of the ritual.

Each of these misconceptions are based on the other being true. Consensus meaning consensus within the group. The audience far outweighs the main "players", hence whatever they believe to be true about what is going on becomes consensus.

Insights/comments?
 
 
nidu713
18:06 / 22.10.04
The real "play" is the consensus. So, it truly is a play.
 
 
Sekhmet
18:47 / 22.10.04
Is it assumed that consensus about the true purpose of the performance dictates whether or not the ritual manifests what it's supposed to? Or are you asking whether consensus makes a difference?

Interested but confused.
 
 
nidu713
19:21 / 22.10.04
Either/or... just looking for insights.

I'm prompted to draw attention to this because I watched the Alex Jones link about Bohemian Grove that someone posted a bit ago.

In the video of the actual ritual (Cremation of Care), there are many spectators. Assuming that the audience thinks that the ritual is staged - ie. they are there to schmooze and have a good time... and they aren't sacrificing a real baby, does this factor into the effectiveness of the ritual?

These inferences are all made under the assumption that the Cremation of Care is an actual occult ritual.

If the audience doesn't really know that this is an occult ritual, and just regard it as a tradition of the elitist Bohemian Grove, why bother having an audience?

From what I gathered, the audience (2000 people) weren't part of the Bohemian Grove... just perspective members.

This is why I'm led to believe that the audience is necessary and the ignorance of the audience is deliberate.
 
 
Sekhmet
19:44 / 22.10.04
I was thinking about Bohemian Grove. A friend of mine actually paid for a copy of that video of Alex Jones'... the quality is crap, you can't really see or hear anything clearly, so he can claim they were doing just about anything. Frustrating, that.

The distinction between ritual and theatre is an awfully blurry line to begin with. All ritual is a form of artistic performance, whether or not it has an audience, and it's arguable that all theatre is also a type of magic. If a stage performance is effective, the audience suspends disbelief and becomes emotionally involved. I should think this could easily be fed into a magical working by the performers, with or without the knowledge of the audience.

Anecdotally, I've seen this principle demonstrated; there's a theatre group in my community which annually performs something called "Dark Goddess". On entering the theatre, every audience member is asked if they enter freely, then smudged with sage and given a candle to light, which is placed in a dish of sand at either side of the stage area and left burning throughout the performance. The actresses evoke goddesses from various cultures - different goddesses are included each year - and tell (or sing, or dance, or chant) their associated myths and stories to the audience. The performance opens with a circle casting and placing of guardians, and closes with breaking the circle and a group blessing. Many of the audience members realize exactly what's going on, and many don't; it has all the trappings of ritual, but is presented as a theatre performance. Regardless of how many people in the audience recognize that they are participating in a magical ritual, it's a very powerful experience.
 
 
LykeX
00:21 / 23.10.04
Random thoughts:
A few weeks ago, I was in the theatre for Medea a grek tragedy. Towards the end of it Medea grabs a knife with the intention of killing her two children. At that point the thought struck me that if she were to really kill the children on stage, most likely, no one would do anything, thinking it was just makeup and effects.
Also, that particular scene had a lot of dragged out silence, creating the effect that I was almost hypnotized for most of it.

If you were to do such a ritual with an unsuspecting audience, it could be worked in to it. If you wanted a "hidden" magical effect, you could argue that an audience was necessary.
 
 
Skeleton Camera
03:31 / 23.10.04
From my friend Emily:

A. the 2nd misconception in the original message implied to me that the audience is AN ELEMENT of the ritual, as with meme, are meant to propagate unwittingly the elements of the performance.
B. The 1st misconseption enables for the powerful addition of will that "whoosy-whop-who-knows-bush'll-lose" said about the audience adding their belief in the play.
so, b, supports a. just like in your original message. gee. neat site.
love emily
 
 
at the scarwash
04:35 / 23.10.04
I know it doesn't always work out this way, but at its best, isn't theatre necessarily ritual? I've seen a few shows that left me with the feeling that I'd been witness to a sacrament.
 
  
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