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Ganesh
16:40 / 20.10.04
This is a sort of companion-thread to the 'Paraphilias' one I've just started in the Head Shop. I'm interested in exploring the subject from all angles, hopefully widening it beyond the merely psychiatric/psychological.

From Chambers:

fetish noun (fetishes) 1 in primitive societies: an object worshipped for its perceived magical powers. 2 a procedure or ritual followed obsessively, or an object of obsessive devotion. 3 a an object other than the sexual organs that is handled or visualized as an aid to sexual stimulation; b a person's attachment to such an object. fetishism noun. fetishist noun. fetishistic adj.
ETYMOLOGY: 17c: from French fétiche, from Portuguese feitiço magic; a name given by the Portuguese to the gods of W Africa, from Portuguese feitiço artificial, from Latin facere to make.

Although my own knowledge and experience is of the third (and, to a certain degree, the second) definition, I'm intrigued by the dual meaning/etymology, and wonder where exactly the borders lie - if indeed there are borders. It seems to me that a great deal of what I read about in the Temple forum must involve worship of or psychological/magical investment in an inanimate object of some kind. Does this cross over into the sexual meaning of the word? Do the likes of sigils, for example, tap into some sort of 'fetish power'? Is there any sort of 'fetish magic' which straddles the definitions?

We've talked about this before, albeit in a fairly flippant Conversational kinda way (this thread with a more sexualised focus, this one blurring the boundaries with more general 'objects of fascination', and this one (among many) about the fetish scene). It's something of a professional and personal interest for me, though, and I'm interested in trying to connect the various dots...

Speaking of which, if anyone can tell me more about the specific cross-cultural history of 'fetish's etymology, I'd find that interesting too.

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charrellz
17:24 / 20.10.04
Fun topic, I'm interested in seeing what the smarter folks have to say.

Here's what little I've got:

Is there any sort of 'fetish magic' which straddles the definitions?
Could some forms of tantra count?

I think alot of the energy used in magick is atleast partially sexual in nature. I'll explain more when I figure out how...

Language fun:
Thought I would look into the German words for fetish, and I didn't find much too terribly fascinating, but it is kinda fun. There's three words/phrases: der Fetisch, das Götzenbild (literally 'tin god picture' - I love that), and Gegenstand abergläubischer Verehrung (doesn't literally translate that well, but it's essentially 'object of superstitious worsip/reverence/adoration')
 
 
Ganesh
18:14 / 20.10.04
Tantra, eh? Wishing I'd remembered Illmatic's talk before the event now. D'oh!

I can see that tantra (in my limited understanding of the concept) involves 'sexual energy', but does it aim at investing that energy in an inanimate fetish object?

Mmmm... 'tin god picture'. Nice!
 
 
Charlie's Horse
21:43 / 20.10.04
As far as Tantra goes, I was under the impression that it was more centered on people-worship through sex and seeing one another as Gods, rather than revering objects.

Etymologies - well, Europeans seem to use the word fetish to denote 'worshiping/revering inanimate objects for their inherent value' as early as the 1600s. Mostly in reference to Africans, so I guess we can assume that they also used the term to refer to some of their own practices that their 'proper' religious views had stamped out. By the 1800s, it was also popularly used as a metaphor - anything irrationally revered was a fetish. Which might well lead in to 'fetish-as-kink,' which came into play in 1901, with E. Morselli's writings. This is courtesy of the Oxford English Dictionary and my own (pointed out) leaps of grammatical faith.

Fetish power and sigils - that's an interesting tack I've certainly never consciously considered. I think the idea behind 'charging' a sigil (ie implanting it in your mind / firing it into the spiritual realm) suggests that the sigil itself has no inherent power, just like a word has no inherent meaning. For words, the context of culture and conversation gives each individual grunt a meaning. For sigils, the magician involved creates the context of belief and sheer unction which lets the sigil work. I guess after the sigil gets 'charged,' some would regard it as having some inherent power, but if that were the case wouldn't more people want to keep their sigils around like one would a mojo bag or any other magical tool? Since I have (especially when doing work for/on others), I guess I do subscribe to the independent, fetish-like power of sigils, but that's something others seem to deconstruct with fire and toilet bowls. Personally, I'm all about fetishes in the sense that objects do have independent, even inherent, power.
 
 
Skeleton Camera
23:41 / 20.10.04
on a somewhat related note
 
 
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00:36 / 21.10.04
explicit content follows...

At my groin is a harness handmade of leather and hung like a loincloth with soft furs; a tail dangles down behind it. Mounted on the front is a phallus my wife has lovingly carved from an elk antler. It belongs to Him; I stroke it, with his permission, and then, like a gift, it becomes mine for the night as well. I am Guide and Guardian, delver into the wealth of the depths and psychopomp of the endorphins. Those whom I love, says Baphomet, I chastise with many rods....

Raven Kaldera offers a much better example of fetish magic which straddles the two definitions (and gives them a good hard fuck while it's at it) than I could. (The linked article is very hot but very triggery for some.) It seems to me that Kaldera has anchored the invocation of the Underworld Lord to the donning of this particular phallus. Thus for him it is a fetish in both senses; it seems to "contain" an indwelling spirit, just as much as does any mask used this way in ritual. At least this is probably how an early 20th c. anthropologist would explain Raven's transformation into the God.

Fetishistic roleplay can be a powerful form of invocation, and fetish objects in both senses can help quite a lot with this. Combining invocation with sexual gnosis-- well, when gods fuck, the results are spectacular.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
09:56 / 21.10.04
Good topic, Ganesh.

Fetishism is a term that's made to do a lot of work.

Historically, fetishism developed as a concept in the cross-cultural encounters between West African societies and Portugese merchants from the 15th century onwards. However, its very much an etic term appplied by outsiders in the same way that Native American "Two-Spirits" came to be referred to as "Berdaches" or a wide variety of South Asian heterogenous religious currents came to be lumped together in the monolithic category of "Tantra". Some historians argue that Fetishism is a product of European efforts to come to terms with the 'alienness' of African (and other colonial) cultures. Fetishism, (from the Portugese "fetisso" did not only refer to 'idol worship' but also to the trinkets used by merchants for bartering or swearing an oath to honour a commercial transaction - so from its earliest usage, fetishism was related to the 'false' attribution of value to material objects - a theme that would be eventually developed by both Marx and Freud in different directions. In the 18th/19th centuries, fetishism became a key signifier in the definition of 'primitive' religions. "Fetishism" was formally coined by Charles de Brosses (one of the pioneers of comparative religion) in 1757.

So how did Fetishism gain its sexual connotations? A common trope you'll find in colonial narratives is that the "primitive" peoples (be they Africans, Indians, or Native Americans) is that they are held to be infantile, feminine, or narcissistic. So it's perhaps not surprising that theorists such as Kraft-Ebbing, Freud or Binet situated their theories of fetishism in early childhood. I think Binet was the first to use Fetishism in a sexual context, then Kraft-Ebbing picked up the term and used it to denote a form of sexual deviance.

Marx's use of the term fetishic relates to his theories of commodities and value. His argument is that material objects are given value through social relations, but this process of constructing hierarchies of value is forgotten, and commodities are seen to be 'naturally' valuable - and the processes of exploitative production are forgotten. Marxist theorists argue that the material forms of capitalist production are to be understood as relationships between objects, which serves to conceal and distort the underlying relations between people.

So on the one hand, there's Fetishism as a subjective, personal experience as explained by Freud, Lacan et al, and on the other, Fetishism as a product of structures of power and social relationships - Marx, and Foucalt. Some feminist theoreticians are arguing that to understand the complexities of contemporary sexual 'fetishes', we need to draw on both the personal and the social aspects of Fetishism.

Review of Amanda Fernbach's Fantasies of Fetishism: From Decadence to the Posthuman

As to how all this relates to magic - need to go away and think about that one.
 
 
Olulabelle
23:25 / 21.10.04
This is a really good thread, thanks for starting it Ganesh.

I'm not sure how Tantra has come us so quickly in a discussion about fetish-as-magick, maybe it's the 'Tantra=Tantric sex' notion that appears to be indelibly imprinted in everyone's brain. I blame Sting myself.

But Tantra isn't primarily 'about' sex, although most definitely sex is a big part of the Tantric path. Tantra is a spiritual path about meditation, love and bliss. It's about moving energy around your body, about letting go, about a feeling of oneness, about breath and control.

Ohhh...Illmatic, where are you? You can put things so much better than me.

I would have thought that fetish-as-magick relates much more to the use of specific ritual items than to the practice of Tantra itself, or any other path for that matter. And personally, I think ritual items are much more likely to occur in other forms of spirituality, or magickal practice or lifestyle choice, or whatever you want to term all the things that get discussed in this forum.

It's interesting though. On the question of sigils tapping into some sort of fetish power, and given that one of the above definitions of fetish is 'an object other than the sexual organs that is handled or visualized as an aid to sexual stimulation' I would suggest that this exactly what a sigil is not. It's not an aid to sexual stimulation, the sexual energy created by (whatever) stimulation is what charges the sigil. Therefore it can't be a fetish item, or one that uses fetish 'power'. Sigil's are a totally unsexual thing if you ask me, and you (can) just use the power of sexual energy to make them work.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
09:41 / 22.10.04
Interesting article here which cites 2 quotes from postmodern historian Hayden White:

"He (White) defines fetishism as "at once and the same time, a kind of belief, a kind of devotion, and a kind of psychological set or posture" From these three usages of fetish we derive the three senses of the term... : belief in magical fetishes, extravagant or irrational devotion, and pathological displacement of libidinal interest and satisfaction to a fetish... Fetishism here is understood as a fixation on the form of a thing as against its content or on the part of a thing as against the whole."

and

"From the Renaissance to the end of the eighteenth century, Europeans tended to fetishize the native peoples with whom they came into contact by viewing them simultaneously as monstrous forms of humanity, and as quintessential objects of desire. Whence the alternative impulses to exterminate and to redeem the native peoples... When a given part of humanity compulsively defines itself as the pure type of mankind in general and defines all other part of the human species as inferior, flawed, degenerate or "savage" I call this an instance of fetishism."

White is providing another understanding of fetishism as a process - where individuals (or cultures) seek to assert control over apparent contradictions by focusing on alternative - and easily consumed representations of those contradictions. This understanding of "fetish" is rather similar to that of the stereotype.

In modern anthropology, fetishism, like animism and totemism, tends to be disfavoured as a universalistic principle. Certainly, no modern researcher would talk about "primitive societies". The dictionary definitions are, in a sense, archaic. These 'definitions' are situated within binary oppositions - rational/irrantional, obsessive/normal, animate/inanimate, normal/deviate - categories themselves which I would suggest are themselves 'archaic' when trying to understand either magic, or sexuality. Look at the way, for instance, that fashion design has playfully 'borrowed' from the fetish scene - and that the fetish scene itself - once 'underground' has, since the mid-60s, become increasingly acceptable. Valerie Steele (Fetish, Fashion, Sex and Power) says that the boundary between the 'normal' and the 'perverse' is in contemporary culture, becoming increasing blurred.

Article by Stewart Home on relationship between fetish 'n' fashion here

reviseF65 - interesting site chronicling the ongoing campaign to abolish "fetishism", "transvestism" and "sadomasochism" as psychiatric diagnoses.

Steele's point about the blurring of boundaries is, IMO, particularly apt if you consider how attitudes to 'having a fetish' have changed - from being a shameful admission of secret deviance to a constituent of personal identity.

"I feel perfectly normal and even - why not - privileged, for knowing how to explore my sexuality in a different and much more intense way than most people do. I'm very happy to have enough capacity to understand my fetish and to enjoy it in a healthy, safe and very peculiar way"."I feel perfectly normal and even - why not - privileged, for knowing how to explore my sexuality in a different and much more intense way than most people do. I'm very happy to have enough capacity to understand my fetish and to enjoy it in a healthy, safe and very peculiar way".
quoted from The so-called "deviant sexualities: Perversion or right to difference?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
09:48 / 22.10.04
whoops, copy-pasting gone mad in above post, there.
 
 
illmatic
09:55 / 22.10.04
I am here, but I don't have time to posty a cogent response. So used to the "tantra=sacred shagging" thing that it doesn't even surprise me anymore. It's a rich variety of traditons folks, spread over a huge span of time, varying from the radically antinomian to the hugely orthodox (and anti-sexual). Will try and post something on topic later today if I get a moment. All I can say is I've got a fantastic book on Fetishism from an exhibition I attended a few years ago. Possilbly one to loan you, Ganesh?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
10:26 / 22.10.04
Well, one could say, of Tantra, that as a notion it is illustrative of White's rendering of fetishism as a cultural process. The conflation of Tantra with sex has been going on in the modern imagination ever since orientalists first created "Tantra" as a distinct category in the 19th century, and ultimately, IMO, says more about western sexual anxieties, projections and imaginations than anything else. Hugh Urban's "Tantra: Sex, Secrecy, Politics and Power in the Study of Religion" (review here) is a good starting point for anyone who wants to find out more about Tantra's convoluted history.
 
  
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