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Dalai Lama says Tibet is better off within China

 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
15:37 / 19.10.04
Independent 19 October 2004

"Some Tibetans accuse me of selling out their right to independence, but my approach is in our interest," the Dalai Lama said
 
 
sleazenation
15:49 / 19.10.04
Seems like a pragmatic step to me and one that appears to be in line with the Dalai Lama's intent that Tibet not return to the fudal ways of the early 20th century. Its a play in the long game for the survival of the Tibetian people and culture
 
 
FinderWolf
16:52 / 19.10.04
Yeah, he sounds like he's thinking long-term and not short-term 'we must have independence now!' sort of mentality. Taking a practical approach, which I respect. I doubt the Lama makes such a statement without really having considered it carefully, and he's not really in a position to be politically pressured by anyone, since he's accountable to no one save himself.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:49 / 19.10.04
Well, himself and the government of India, which has graciously hosted the Tibetan government-in-exile for, oh, the last fifty years without much to show for it but strained relations with China (the 800-pound gorilla on its back steps) and an influx of yet another hard-to-assimilate ethnic group, in the form of the Tibetan diaspora.

And, for tht matter, the government of the United States, which is really the only power with enough leverage to make the Chinese reconsider their Tibet policy, but which has kept well clear of the whole fucking mess all the while His Holiness talked first about full independence and then about Hong-Kong-style "one country, two systems" semi-autonomy.

Not to mention all the Tibetans, in Tibet and otherwise, who have watched as their monasteries have been razed and their nuns raped and millions of ethnic Chinese crowding into their towns and countryside, who've watched their children learning Mandarin at the government-run schools, who've seen their kids adopt the ubiquitous Chinese consumer goods and clothing styles and pop music and television, and who must, by this point, be wondering whether, even if His Holiness returns in triumph to a free and sovereign Tibet, there will still even be a Tibetan culture to revive.

You can commit genocide without actually killing the victims.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:57 / 19.10.04
By which I mean to say: you think the Dalai Lama's not under any pressure? He's in a race against time, trying to prevent the extermination of his culture, he's not getting any younger, and the US government isn't returning his phone calls. He's been playing the long game since 1959—but with two generations of Tibetans born since then, there is no more time to fuck around.
 
 
Dead Megatron
10:59 / 19.03.08
I'm bumping this thread because of

Petition to support Tibet

You are probably already aware of it, but I wanted to be sure.
 
 
grant
13:46 / 19.03.08
Oh, dear. France is suggesting a boycott of the Olympic opening ceremonies.

If they (meaning the EU) go ahead with a boycott, that'd shape international affairs for a good long time.
 
 
Dead Megatron
15:34 / 19.03.08
I would say that, for such a boycott to work, it must be of the whole games, not jut the opening cerimony. And it better be world-wide, not just the EU. A cancelled Olympic Games, and the subsequent loss of money and business oportunities for the Chinese Government, would indeed have a significant impact on future policies. As it is now, it is a symbolic gesture at best.
 
 
grant
23:57 / 19.03.08
You might be underestimating how seriously the Chinese government takes symbols - especially when it comes to the recognition of breakaway provinces.

I mean, I'm pretty sure the Dutch or Mexican or Canadian government takes symbols just as seriously, but in those cases, the government doesn't run the businesses. Hu Jintao is kind of like a CEO, and he gets to choose with whom China does business.

By "international affairs" I wasn't really thinking about Chinese policies regarding Tibet - I doubt an EU boycott would change a thing. I was thinking of China as a bloc of one billion consumers and the lion's share of global manufacturing.
 
 
Dead Megatron
13:22 / 20.03.08
You might be underestimating how seriously the Chinese government takes symbols - especially when it comes to the recognition of breakaway provinces.

I hope so, it is usually a lot less troublesome and painful when symbolic actions settle such disputes.

In fact, wouldn't it be nice if all international issues - including wars - could be solved with sport competitions? Granted, there would be a lot more doping and cheating, but still.
 
 
grant
13:26 / 20.03.08
NB: "Run" being not exactly the same thing as "own" but in the sense of "well, isn't this free market an interesting experiment."
 
 
grant
14:21 / 21.03.08
Because the autonomous regions in the west of China aren't unhappy enough, Xinjiang was just struck by a 7.2 earthquake. No official reports of casualties, but in Xinjiang, you wouldn't really expect them... the region is in much the same boat as Tibet, only without the charismatic leadership of Phil Silvers. Sorry, wait... the Dalai Lama.

Here's a Der Spiegel report on Xinjiang from last year. It's where the (Muslim) Uighurs live. Tibet's immediately to the south.
 
 
grant
15:57 / 21.03.08
Back in Tibet, thousands arrested, hundreds disappeared, monasteries under occupation.

In response, internet makes sarcastic art:


 
 
grant
15:02 / 27.03.08
Guardian reports on an "astonishing act of defiance"... I'm not sure it seems so much "astonishing" to me, but it's certainly unexpected.

A bunch of monks burst into a government press conference and said, "Hey, reporters? These guys are lying to you!"

Cue a bunch of reporters unsurprised at what the monks were saying, but surprised at the fact that they dared say it.

More than 30 monks at Jokhang Temple - the most sacred in Tibetan Buddhism - burst in on a briefing during the first foreign journalists tour since riots erupted in the Tibetan capital on March 14.

Interrupting a speech about inter-ethnic harmony by the head of the temple's administrative office, the lamas surrounded the journalists and said, "They are tricking you. Don't believe them. They are lying to you."

"They want us to crush the Dalai Lama and that is not right," one monk told the Associated Press news agency, denying that Tibet's exiled spiritual leader was responsible for the unrest.

The monks, who first spoke Tibetan and then switched to Mandarin so the reporters could understand them, said they were willing to risk arrest to speak out.


Somewhere, there are some very frustrated Chinese government officials.
 
 
grant
16:23 / 21.04.08
Two more bits on this:

Der Spiegel warns Europe against pissing off China because whoah, like, they'll boycott us. I'd already heard about a proposition for a Chinese boycott of France (essentially), which is possibly a bigger deal than you might think - the only "superstores" I recall seeing in China were Wal*Mart and a French chain called CarreFour, and the French stores seemed slightly more numerous.

The other thing, which you may have heard about, was the Chinese hackers taking down CNN. Only they missed. Which is kind of funny, but, you know, they won't make the same mistake twice.
 
 
Mickosthedickos
10:28 / 22.04.08
Its seems like a fairly sensible move by the dalai lama, the tibetan cause has much in common with the republicans in Northern Ireland, i.e their stated aims are extremely unlikely to be achieved.

China are far too powerful these days to allow tibet to become independent and America are unlikely to stand up for them as their large trade deficit is underwritten by chinese capital.

Giving up the cause of independence and seeking a better deal within China is the logical way forward
 
  
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