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Underground punk/death/grind

21:10 / 15.10.04

this post is inspired by Napalm Death's new CD (Leaders Not Followers 2) where they cover old hardcore, death and grind bands. i'd love to hear more of this stuff but have no point of refernce. i know all the old famous bands like Carcass, Death, Celtic Frost, Repultion etc. but who am i missing? please, make some recomendations to me.

All Acting Regiment

19:52 / 16.10.04

You say underground punk and I say The Plasmatics or The Exploited- they do sometimes have a more metal sound which might suit your tastes, and whether or not they are underground enough for you i dont knbow but they certainly aint TOTP material.

19:42 / 17.10.04

when i say underground i don't mean some kind of stay true ethic, just something that's unknown to the mainstream. and that's good if possible. i'm not bothered about the punk sounding metal or the metal sounding punk (even though this cross over can be good) i'm just looking for bands that i might like.
for instance i picked up a CD by chance by a band called Disgust that was great called Brutality of War.
this thread is just meant as a kind of recomendation platform.
and thanks for the names, i've always meant to check out the Exploited.

14:13 / 18.10.04

Send More Paramedics are good live, I've not heard their CD but I imagine it's probably worth checking out.

Locust No longer

18:35 / 18.10.04

Because much of this music is my mother's milk I'll just give a small list based on geographic location. It's a mixture of both new and old bands.

USA:
Suffocation (Grind death)
Brutal Truth (Grind)
Discordance Axis (tech Grind and amazing)
Nausea (Grind)
Terrorizer (Grind)
Phobia (Grind)
Crossed Out (Slap a ham record's Power Violence)
Spazz (PV)
Drop Dead (hyper speed punk thrash)
Despise You (PV)
Cattle Decapitation (Carcass inspired metal)
Man Is the Bastard (PV)
Capitalist Casualties (PV)
Ulcer (punk thrash)

Japan:
Unholy Grave (Death Grind)
More Noise For Life (Grind)
DxIxEx (Early Grind)
Systematic Death (thrashy punk)
Lip Cream (Old school thrash)
GISM (Old School Avant gard thrash)
Gauze (Thrash)
Bathtub Shitter (Shit obsessed grind)
Jelly Roll Rock Heads (super fast thrash)
Fuck On the Beach (P.V. Thash)
Break-fast (new school Jap thrash)
Forward (traditional Jap thrash)
Paintbox (Trad. Jap. Thrash)

Switzerland:
Fear of God (essential mid 80s grind, still one of the best)

England:
Sacrilege (speedy metal)
Sore Throat (grind)
Extreme Noise Terror (the old stuff is the best; grind)
Electro Hippies (classic thrashy punk metal)
Amebix (crust)
Doom (crust)

Scotland:
Jinn (powerviolence thrash punk)
Oi Polloi (metallic punk)

Ireland:
Scatha (tribal punk)
Sedition (I think is from Ireland)

Alright there's many more but this may help....

00:41 / 19.10.04

In the past couple of months I've bought the new albums from the following three bands, each of which has been kickass, inventive, and exciting, and each of which has at some point for some reason been called "Post-Punk:"

The Blood Brothers
The pAperchAse
The Chinese Stars

08:14 / 19.10.04

Ah, I was hoping Locust.. would turn up and set us all straight with a cool list like that. Excellent.

A couple of things I might as well add -

Agoraphobic Nosebleed; purveyors of absolutely ridiculous drum machine enhanced grindcore.. their last release "Altered States of America" fits 100 tracks on a 3" CD. It's split into sections and features stuff like a 12 track concept album based on '120 Days of Sodom' with a total playing time of about 90 seconds. Utterly, utterly silly but fantastic and hilarous none the less.

Trencher; new-ish British band who's self-defined "casio grindcore" sounds rather singular.

Teen Cthulhu; Yes, I bought this one because of the name. But nevertheless this band are uniquely fucked up and gloriously unconcerned with the usual metal genre system. Basically they seem to combine brutal early Napalm Death style grind with OTT black metal 'evilness' and bombastic keyboard squiggles, plus hilariously mental deranged lyrics and a delivery which can only be described as 'psychotic'. The results sound absolutely disgusting, it's the most obscene thing in my CD collection and I think these people may need help.

03:46 / 20.10.04

Should check out Nunslaughter. Very evil. But funny if you read their name as Nuns Laughter.

19:59 / 20.10.04

that's great stuff. there's loads there i've never heard of. so keep 'em coming.
as a side not has anyone read the new history of death and grind called Choosing Death? i'm sure this will have plenty of recomendations in it too.

Math is for suckers!

21:57 / 20.10.04

Here's a few more to clutter the pile:

Pig Destroyer- If you dig Agoraphobic Nosebleed, you'll want to check out these guys. Same kind of thing, but not quite as fast. They even share members with A.N.

The Locust- Ridiculously fast, synth drenched, grindcore with three lead singers and nonsensical song titles and lyrics. And bug costumes. Simply amazing.

Tusk- Electronics-tinged grindcore featuring members of the band Pelican. Their newest album, Tree of No Return, is something of a concept album from what I understand, although I couldn't for the life of me tell you what that concept is.

Rune- Yet another grind band with electronics and samples, but these guys switch it up by throwing in some real slow, doomy tracks to balance out the grind. They have two lead singers and when i saw them live one of them just laid on the ground and howled into the microphone the whole time. Top notch stuff.

Hope those help.

Locust No longer

23:37 / 20.10.04

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that there's this really cool grind/sludge/electronic P.K. Dick inspired band out now aptly called, A Scanner Darkly. I've seen them a couple of times but am not sure if they have anything out yet. I though Rizla would probably like to know that.

08:02 / 21.10.04

Sounds good.

Discordance Axis did some PKD inspired, um, tunes as well didn't they?

(I've been meaning to pick up that DVD-shaped compilation of their stuff for ages, but have yet to see it at the right price..)

Locust No longer

19:11 / 21.10.04

Yep, they did. Although the names don't pop out at me right now. I would pick up the Inalienable Darkness before the compilation of their old stuff (unless you already have I.A.), because it's really the best thing they ever did. Coincedentally, both CD's are housed in the DVD case thing. They have to be one of my favorite bands of all time and definitely my favorite metal band of all time. But I'm sort of a grind core head when it comes to metal.

05:39 / 22.10.04

New Orleans band called EYE HATE GOD -- their first two records IN THE DIVINE NAME OF SUFFERING and TAKE AS NEEDED FOR PAIN are the darkest, sludgiest, most hard rocking, doomed out metal core shit i've ever heard. they took their Melvins seriously, and weighed it down with piles of feedback, southern fried crystal meth, and truly beautiful/disturbing/anarchistic lyrics. they might still be around, but their lead singer Mike Williams is no longer in the band, and that dude lived a life of pain. get this shit.

also, the Melvins should certainly count to this thread. slow, heavy, unique, inspired thousands of cloest metal kids to love metal while hating the genre.

20:07 / 22.10.04

what about Charles Bronson? I loove this band, they're amazing like Grindcore Punk, I borrowed their discocrappy cd from a friend and its got like 96 songs on it. they have like movie sound clips at the beginning of some songs. I might make a thread up about the sound clips to try and figure out what movie they're from.

then there's these two spanish hardcore punk bands H.H.H. and La Mico Dimartucci(sp?)

and this japanese band called Total Fury that I don't think anyone mentioned.

and Totalitar they're Swedish I think...I'm not sure.

I know The Locust we're already mentioned, but just wanted to say they're great.

there's also that grindcore black death metal band called Cephalic Carnage.

I like those bands.

Locust No longer

18:32 / 25.10.04

Totalitar is definitely Swedish and definitely crucial to any collection of great punk rock. I would probably add Skit System, Nasum, At the Gates, and Victims to the Swedish list for great contemporary Swedish punk and metal (although At The Gates broke up). There's got to be something in the water over there that creates some of the best metal and punk ever.

Charles Bronson is fun, but a lot of the hype that went on they came out ruined some of their impact for me. But the "Youth Attack" record is a pretty good thrash record, and their lyrics were really great. In the end, they were just a contemporary version of Neos and Void, both of whom they cover on the discography and are well worth checking out.

03:16 / 02.11.04

Rudimentary Peni
Mankind?
Dirt
Conflict
Filth
Icons of Filth
Neurosis
Flux of Pink Indians
Fleas and Lice
Brother Inferior
Anti-Product
Anti-Schizm
Grimpel
Bus Driver

16:04 / 04.11.04

ok, my list of heavier punk stuff if i go all out, look through my records, mp3s, and show fliers is going to be really fucking long.

i've been liking a lot of d-beat and d-beat/amebix inspired stuff recently:
well, first of all you should get some amebix. kinda slower, rock and roll/motorhead sounding, but really thick, heavy, and ominous. in a lot of ways, a darker, more evil motorhead. they've inspired a lot of other punk bands, such as born dead icons, inepsy (someone from inepsy shat all over the bathroom floor at my girlfriend's birthday party, so we joke that "inepsy is french canadian for 'not housebroken'"), tragedy, from ashes rise, his hero is gone etc...

a lot of punks who dig the heavier stuff are really sweating scandanavian and japanese bands right now. a lot of those bands are on the heavier side of punk.

some good scandi bands to start with: diskonto, victims, skitsystem, totalitar

some japanese bands to start with: hammer, deathside, gauze, gism, abraham cross, dsb (defiance of shit bastards)

thrash is also huge right now in the diy scene, but i'm kinda sick of it because i think it's contributing to every band sounding alike at too many shows. if you're into the fast hardcore stuff, the band in that genre that blew me away the most that i've seen recently is hands down hero dishonest from finland. i'd also call charles bronson thrash and not grind - they're not tuned down far enough to really be a grind band.

actually, the current thrash/scandi/japan worship going is making punk a lot more cookie cutter than i like it these days, but regardless, a lot of those bands are pretty good.

i kinda miss power violence as a genre. spazz is pretty classic and a good starting point if that's what you're into, or old clean plate and slap a ham records stuff.

Locust No longer

19:46 / 04.11.04

I agree, I'd take the Power violence genre over the generic thrash one so popular right now. I think bands like Man Is the Bastard, Crossed out, Capitalist Casualties, Despise You, etc were all far more creative than the Tear it Ups and Down in Flame bands.

I haven't been too into the latest Swede/Jap worship going on in the underground just cuz I think a lot of it is overrated and I've already loved that style for years (not to sound like that guy who's always into it before it gets big). I really dig Skitsystem and Totalitar still, though. I, too, dig the American contingent turned on by bands like that, though. Like Tragedy and From Ashes Rise. There's a cool new dark hardcore band like that called High On Crime from Milwaukee with members of Artimus Pyle and Seven Days of Samsara. They were really good live.

19:01 / 14.11.04

ooh. seven days of samsara was really good when i saw them with his hero is gone like five years ago.

the thing about the scandi/japanese punk thing is that most of those bands are good because they're talented and really tight, and a lot of the american bands doing that style just don't play it as well. eg i saw hammer come through a while ago, and they blew the local american imitation japanese hardcore band that opened the show clear out of the water.

Locust No longer

17:14 / 16.11.04

I guess I would agree. I haven't seen many japanese punk bands (Assault probably being the only one) but I've witnessed a bunch of scandi bands and have been impressed. I think that both the Japanese and Scandi styles have been perfected already in their own respective countries. I think where American punk excels is in the dirty, fast, angry department and less on the schizoid thrash of Japanese bands (although there's American bands like In//humanity and Orchid that are more intune with the schizoid thrash than most Japanese bands). I think there is also more urgency and political anger inherent in N. American/Euro punk bands which is missing from many Japanese bands. Although, trying to compare the two is really for the birds.

On another note, I was just listening to the Head Hits Concrete discog. on CAH records and it rages. It's extremely fast with major grind influences, but the guitars are all over the place, criss crossing and spitting like a thrash Arab on Radar. It's really cool. HHC features ex members of the awesome aptly named, Swallowing Shit from Winnepeg.

Oh, I also have to give major props to some South American bands like Infect (all female thrash), Dios Hastio (metallic thrash from Peru) and Abuso Sonoro (Anarchist crust from Brazil). I find myself enjoying bands like these far more than than there less convincing white northern neighbors. They actually scream about issues that affect them. What a novel idea.