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Warren Ellis writes Iron Man!

 
  

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sleazenation
16:28 / 23.03.05
Is it bitchy and unfair of me to suggest the title of this thread should read: "Warren Ellis writes Iron Man, but not very often"?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:34 / 23.03.05
Not at all, sleaze -- in fact, grammatically, my topic abstract should be 'seeming match made in heaven' rather than 'seemingly,' I was just noticing.

But it seems to be more the fault of the artist than Warren in terms of the delay...
 
 
FinderWolf
19:14 / 21.07.05
Did we get issue 4 of this yet? I can't remember.

Well, here are the Marvel solicits for issue 5, the cover of which features Iron Man and his old flame from this arc:

IRON MAN #5

Written by WARREN ELLIS

Pencils and Cover by ADI GRANOV

His life on the line as the Extremis dose he’s taken rewrites his genetic code, Tony Stark relives his first faltering steps as Iron Man — and when all is said and done, a genuinely new Armored Avenger will emerge!

32 PGS./T+ SUGGESTED FOR TEENS AND UP ...$2.99
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
00:39 / 22.07.05
My comic shop only has #3 as of last Friday. I'm really liking this book, but Ellis has become positively glacial. I actually bought another #3 without thinking last week, because it's been ages since a new one came out. I opened it at home and realized my mistake. I think that may speak more for the boring, homogenous covers (and my empty-headedness) than anything else.
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:29 / 22.07.05
I think they do that on purpose! I don't know how many double issues of POWERS or HELLBLAZER I've bought over the years.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
01:03 / 14.08.05
Well, I have #4 finally, and I like this book more each issue. Besides 7 Soldiers, this is the book I look forward to most when I go to the comic shop.

I love Ellis' characterization of Tony as driven futurist, almost a utopian, albeit one that beats the shit out of people with a metal suit.

Tony wants to use technology to help people and make the future a better place, as opposed to the Extremis guy (he doesn't have a name, does he?), who wants to use it to regress.

Pretty simple, except that Tony wants to be the person who brings the future to the masses. He doesn't want to call Thor to beat the tar out of Extremis guy, he wants to do it himself, using the same tools that his enemy uses, ostensibly to show people that the technology and the future can be used to help, not harm.

There's also the fact that Ellis retconned Tony into a bombmaker for the US military, and he wants to prove to himself that he can use technology for positive things. But I also get the sense that he wants people to know that it's him carrying the torch into the future. There is an innate vanity in Ellis' Stark. He not only wants to help people, he wants them to know that it's him doing it, specifically Maya and Sal, who he sees as his intellectual and moral superiors. He seems to want people to know that he's Iron Man, too.

Ellis didn't write the paper-thin cover story of his "car" being flown around out of laziness. Tony just has the veneer of a secret identity. He could have come up with a way to get the Extremis dose. If some white trash militia lunatics could do it, Tony Stark could. He wanted to show Maya his secret identity, to show her that he is brave, and doing good things.

And, despite his flaws, Ellis' Stark is very brave, to the point of disregard for himself. Witness him taking the Extremis dose. There's a healthy swathe of self-destruction in Tony Stark.

Next object of my praise: Adi granov's art. It's simply perfect for this book. It's shiny and new-looking, but not rigid or mechanical. His sense of storytelling is solid, and he uses interesting angles to keep things from seeming static. His faces are well done, and effective at conveying emotion. I get the sense that he knows how Tony looks from every angle, as opposed to some artists who draw the same character completely differently depending on the shot. he seems like an artist who has very solid fundamentals. I also respect that he does the entire art process, not just the pencils. Thumbs up, says me.

The other thing I love about this book is the bad guy. It's nice to see Ellis reminding people that some terrorists have nothing to do with Islam, and that the good ol' US of A can produce just as big a homegrown asshole as Saudi Arabia. Just a little thing, but nice.

So, I love this book and I felt the need to gush in a big stream of consciousness post. this is Ellis at his best: shiny futurist sci-fi with good characters and a nifty concept.

And the best part? Not a single line of Ellis' tired smartass dialogue in the whole issue.
 
 
rabideyemovement
01:59 / 14.08.05
How the heck did I miss issue 4? So he's taken the dose of Extremis? Any nasty side-affects yet?
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
02:51 / 14.08.05
It's a cliffhanger. He takes it just before the end of the issue, because he wants to rewrite his neural pathways in order to be able to command the suit like it was his body. Pretty damn cool.

At the end, he's lying in the Extremis lab, while Maya tries to get some sort of response out of him.

He also needs the Extremis to save his life, because Extremis militiaman really gave him a pounding. There's a good sequence where Maya is taking the suit off him piece by piece, revealing his injuries. Nice pacing and great art by Granov.
 
 
diz
05:36 / 14.08.05
yeah, i really dug issue #4. Ellis' Tony Stark is, as noted above, complex and interesting. he's basically a compulsive early adopter, being reckless to the point of insanity so he can be, as he puts it, the "test pilot for the future." he's the guy who's not only willing but eager to take insane chances to explore the frontiers of tech, being the first guy to get in the newest of the new suits and duke it out with supervillains or stick himself with a needle full of barely-tested nanostuff to reshape his body for a man/machine interface. partially because he believes in technological progress for the good of humanity, partially because he's a total egomaniac. he's like a young Howard Hughes or something. it's awesome.

and, yeah, the scene where she's helping him take off his armor, slowly revealing the pulverized limbs inside... that was just painful to watch, but such a great insight into the character.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
06:17 / 14.08.05
I really hope Ellis stays on this book for a while. I want to see him play with all of the facets of Tony's character.

I love Spider Jerusalem and the Planetary crew, but I think Tony Stark has the potential to be the deepest, most engaging character Ellis has ever written.

I'm on this book for the duration.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:54 / 15.08.05
This was ok but not great, I thought -- the delay between issues is killing some of my enthusiasm for the book. But I'm sure that when the 6 issues are published, we'll have a nice clever little Iron Man story, and then Marvel is planning to turn the book over to some other writer. No more Ellis Iron Man beyond the 6 issues.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
21:25 / 15.08.05
Well, that's really disappointing. Ellis is planting seeds that could grow into an excellent ongoing, but only if he's the guy who writes it. That actually takes the wind out of my sails a bit. Can't he take the time to write this instead of the Ultimate crap he's cranked out recently? What a shame.
 
 
matsya
22:40 / 15.08.05
Once again, I think the delay might be on the artist's head, not Ellis's. He often gets stick for the publishing schedules, when the impression I get is he's pretty much on time with scripts in general. The Planetary delays were due to Cassaday, iirc, and one could imagine that granov's gorgeous work might be a bit time-consuming in its creation.

m.
 
 
rabideyemovement
03:30 / 16.08.05
Issue number four was impressive. I'm not a big fan of this Extremis virus or whatever, but it's cool to see Tony cheating the Reaper with some crazy new tech. Reminds me of the old days when the suit was the only thing keeping him alive, sort of a million-dollar pacemaker... One thing I'm confused about though. Maya is shocked to find Tony under the suit. Maybe we've discussed this before here, but at one time, didn't the entire world know Iron Man's secret identity?
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
03:50 / 16.08.05
I don't know for sure, but it's probably been retconned. Although it does seem like he's barely trying to keep his identity secret. his underlings seem very tongue-in-cheek when they ask about his "car."
 
 
FinderWolf
12:27 / 16.08.05
IM's identity was indeed known to the whole world, but right after Avengers Dissassembled they magically retconned it. They never actually explained how or why the whole world 'forgot' his ID, but at one point it was hinted that it was a side effect of Wanda's Scarlet Witch magical craziness where she did lots of crazy shit.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:31 / 16.08.05
oh, and yes, the delay here is 100% the artist's fault.
 
 
rabideyemovement
14:51 / 16.08.05
Wow! The Scarlet Witch has the amazing mutant ability to fix glaring continuuity errors... What power!
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
15:01 / 16.08.05
I think retconning it for no apparent reason might be better than that. Is that the most contrived event in comics?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:06 / 06.01.06
#4 is out - shock shock horror horror.

It's pretty decent.

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Ellis does what appears to be a new version of the origin of IM, done as a dream sequence while Stark is out of it recovering from the Extremis process.

And the result is that the armor is now controlled by his thoughts and the basic shell of armor is now in his body, stored in the hollow parts of his bones. He's regrown new internal organs thanks to Extremis. (I remember in Ellis' Ultimate FF run, he was very intersted in how the internal organs of Mr. Fantastic and The Thing worked, and in the hypothetical science of how the Human Torch would not burn himself.)
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:51 / 06.01.06
The cell phone call was a nice touch.

I don't remember Ellis being this consistent of a writer, but I'm really quite captivated by his output of work these days.
 
 
Mario
14:40 / 06.01.06
I'm not sure of the science behind that... does Ellis explain how his body survives without bone marrow?

Of course IM fans will plotz over the idea that Tony essentially has super powers now....
 
 
_Boboss
14:47 / 06.01.06
looking forwward to this - think i bought two copies of the last issue by mistake because of the delay and the oh so boring covers.

and i agree smelly elly (i don't know what a niff he has really - he just looks smelly) is on a run at the moment: three final issues of planetary over the next four months, and fell, taking planetary's supposed 'pop single artefact' format and actually doing something good with it.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:36 / 06.01.06
Nice retelling of his Origin.

enjoyed the new matrixee nature of his new technology.

hopefully the final issue will be out before this year ends.
 
 
Ganesh
01:09 / 07.01.06
stored in the hollow parts of his bones

Because, obviously, those are just biologically pointless air-bubbles. Not like there's blood vessels or marrow or anything in there.
 
 
Spaniel
10:46 / 07.01.06
Is it just me, or do any other 'lithers normally find anything other than cursory scientific explanations for superpowers unnecessary and not a little silly.
 
 
This Sunday
10:58 / 07.01.06
I find such explanations/extrapolations interesting in the same sense as ornithopters or Carl Allen's stories of Einstein on a ship retrofit with spacetime warping technology. But, they ought to be witty to really be placed in-story, otherwise, that's why those StarTrek tech manuals and 'Herodotus Files' and such were invented. And 'he keeps his armor in the hollows of his bones' is witty enough, and just enough of a fuck-off response, to warrant in-story conclusion, far as I'm concerned.
There's a line in 'Planetary' about the giant monsters of Island Zero: "We can't say they were radioactive mutants; that's just retarded."
While I don't agree with that sentiment, I do think that 'radioactive' has lost its intensity and doesn't sound properly superscience enough any more. It's fantasy fiction, instead of science fiction. Science fiction ought to, in my opinion, pretend to actually have some stream of logic, however flawwed, that can be overcomplicated, but shouldn't be simplified to 'just believe it' because faith, suspended disbelief, is a marker of the purely fantastic.
No blaming Jesus for Spider-Man, please. Even if they both now involve having babies without a sex or another human being.
 
 
Spaniel
11:26 / 07.01.06
Science fiction ought to, in my opinion, pretend to actually have some stream of logic, however flawwed

Oh, I'd agree with that, I just think that you need to be careful when offering up a scientific explanation - or indeed any explanation at all - that it will do something for the story. The story is the bottom line, explaining how the Human Torch doesn't fry himself isn't.

Unless of course you're reading hard sci-fi, then techno geekery is of paramount importance.
 
 
Ganesh
11:34 / 07.01.06
I think it's more that, if one is going to swap a simple rationale for a more detailed 'scientific' rationale, if helps if you've done a little homework.
 
 
Spaniel
12:00 / 07.01.06
That too. If your goal is add an air of authenticity - as was Mel Gibson's in The Passion - then it pays to get it right.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
14:54 / 07.01.06
the delay IS to 'blame' on Granov. ever since TRANSMET ended Ellis has not missed much deadlines. yeah, I still read the BAD SIGNAL newsletter. even Quesada confirmed somewhere they thought Granov could be faster, but to be honest the guy does digital colors too - why did they figured it wasn't going to be late?

hm, come tothink of it, Frazer Irving, who's doing that IM mini with Joe Casey, also does his own colors. and I guess at least the first issue is out. anybody seen it?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:38 / 07.01.06
I picked it up; the art is beautiful and moody. The story is -- it's fine, it's not bad, but other than a rather interesting plot thread with regard to superhero psychiatry, it didn't do a lot for me. But it might have a lot to do with me not being up on recent Avengers goings-on, or not being much of an Iron Man guy to begin with.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
00:29 / 08.01.06
Casey's Iron Man is a pretty solid spin on the "traditional" Iron Man action the kids (and by kids, I mean 40 year-olds) on the messageboards have been clamoring for. I mean, Spymaster, Ghost and the Living Laser? Pretty old school.

But with enough of Casey's self-aware vibe to make it fun. I do love how he handles the "secret identity" bit, though. Seems the only way that makes any sense with his being so thoroughly outed.

As for Stark picking up powers in Ellis' run? Groovy. He's skirted cyborg for too long without taking the big dive. And so he's wired up, but still in a way that keeps the "man in super suit" gimick alive. Aces in my book.
 
 
vajramukti
05:14 / 08.01.06
just to clarify, the only part of the suit that is in 'the hollow parts' of the bones is the undersuit which acts as interface between his skin and the outer hardsuit. it was shown as being a thin fabric in issue one,and is only a sereis of tesselated scales in 5. previous writers had not even used this idea of the undersuit at all, so it's really a contrivance for ellis to show an 'upgrade' in technology.

this is the only thing that rubs me wrong about the run is that ellis rolled back the tech level only so he could engineer a way to roll it forward again the way it pleased him to do.

stark has been a cyborg before, he's cybernetically controlled the armour before, the armour has floated and wrapped itself around him before, amd the suit has been a compressable matrix of memory metals before. a lot of technically-savy writers have left their stamps on the character before, but the problem is that less science-minded writers just come in and ignore that stuff, in favour of the generic supersuit maguffin approach.

I'm not sure how well these changes are going to translate after ellis leaves. Joe Casey hasn't shown any recognition of the changes either in starks own capabilties or in the design of the armour on the part of frazier irving. irving is clearly using granov's older design for the armour, not the one that comes in at the end of issue five. make no mistake casey is a good iron man writer, in the spirit of micheline, but I'm not convinced he's backing the plays ellis is making here, which would be too bad.
 
 
Mario
12:16 / 08.01.06
Historically, changes in IM's armor take a while to percolate, and some never do (because they are eliminated in his own title too quickly).

Personally, I'm not so bugged by the "Stark as Engineer" bit as I am by the whole "hollow bones" thing. It's a basic anatomy error that anyone who's eaten a ribeye steak would recognize.
 
  

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