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Alan Moore vs Grant Morrison

20:20 / 13.10.04

I think Moore and Morrison are commenting on each others works. The Kirby homage in Doom Patrol vs 1963. The Brain and Mallah story in Doom Patrol vs 1963 Red Brain story. Moore says he will hit him(Morrison) in the brain. Moore must like Morrisons story though because he uses the weeping Gorrilla(Mallah at the end of Grant's Doom Patrol story) in Promethea. Is Moore commentting on Morrison being too sensitive? Moores Watchmen and Miracleman are mirrored in Morrison's JLA EArth 2. Is morrison commenting on the Evil world that Moore is constantly showing to kids and is morrison saying that the Watchmen and Miracleman is similar to CSA and the evil superman in the story? Anti Spawn indeed.

20:38 / 13.10.04

I thought you we're going to suggest 3 falls or a sumbisson .

My moneys on Alan Moore !

21:13 / 13.10.04

Alan's beard could take Grant. Unless Grant used his magic powers. But then Alan would just summon the sock puppet lords of the netherealms... It'd be messy.

Oh, and then there's this lookalike thread here, really.

02:40 / 14.10.04

I think Billy Friday in Moore's Supreme was a comment on Morrison, with his obsession with post modern comics writing. I wish they could clean up their feud, but I think they're too much alike to co-exist.

14:53 / 14.10.04

THE BEARD HUNTER!!! Say no more!

17:06 / 14.10.04

Anyone else nostalgic for Ho Garden?

17:11 / 14.10.04

What's Ho Garden?

02:41 / 15.10.04

Please do Ganesh

04:13 / 15.10.04

shouldn't Grant Morrison and Alan Moore be friends again? Or do you like it when they criticize each others work which in turn hopfully produces more critical work. I know Alan didn't like Arkham Asylum and in the Drivel column Grant used to write criticized Watchmen. What do you think? Drinking buddies or a steel cage match to the death?

ONLY NICE THINGS

07:33 / 15.10.04

More importantly, who would win in a fight? Morrison or Billie Piper?

14:28 / 15.10.04

Another simian reference is in the Filth. Is Morrison replying to Alan's weeping gorilla? Is Morrison saying that Alan is a communist? Watchmen. hurm

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:58 / 15.10.04

Hang on. You mean because both the Filth and Promethea feature... primates?

15:31 / 15.10.04

Ganesh, do you mean the beer ?

Haus of Mystery

16:12 / 15.10.04

"Another simian reference is in the Filth. Is Morrison replying to Alan's weeping gorilla? Is Morrison saying that Alan is a communist? Watchmen. hurm"

What about Sigourney Weaver cavorting with Gorillas like it was going out of fashion? Is she some kind of comment on Fanny in the Invisibles.

Or those monkeys in drag in the Tetley's ads? What do they tell us about the super-context????????????????

16:28 / 15.10.04

I'm just saying there is a playful joust between the two comic book writing Gods or is it just me? talking monkeys=missing links in the evolution. Maybe Dimitri and communists are not highly evolved as we think. In Morrisons logic it seems to be this way but I don't know I didn't ask him.

16:48 / 15.10.04

...who would win in a fight? Morrison or Billie Piper?

It's obvious, isn't it? Giorgio Morricone, known dope-fiend as he is, would dive immediately for Billie's cleavage in search of lingering blow-granules; while he's rooting in her decolletage like an alkali-addled pig after coke-truffles, Chazbaps picks up a nearby Ming va-a-a-ahhhh-se and it's BONK! BONK! ONN THE HEAD!

Note for the uninitiated: Ho Garden was one of Ganesh's comedy fictionsuits, last deployed a couple of years back--a (presumably) young and (demonstrably) dim comics "fanboy" who would start comics-related threads with questions both odd and banal, including (IIRC), "Is Grant Morrison afraid of Alan Moore?"

It's not a flattering comparison, I fear.

14:48 / 17.10.04

you are all too clever and up on each others lingo for me to follow or even know whether this is a genuine post but I love both writers and if I have missed the point or joke on here, I apologise and will feel foolish later

my twopenneth:

Moore is my favourite because whilst I think they are similar in themes, to my admittedly constrained eyes, he is a better storyteller

For me Grant (and I admit, his work might just be a little over my head for me to appreciate) is full of fantastic ideas....a total Kirby on speed but his storytelling and plotlines suffer as a result (in my limited and humble opinion)

Moore is (imho) nearly as creative with the science stuff etc but he writes more retro and yet introduces enough creativity and utter scope and non-linear factors to blow my fanboy mind. He definately looks back more than Grant but I find his work much more accessible as a result. It might be my age and missing out on a lot of the drug and countercultures that makes me so lacking. It might just be that I am not intelligent enough to grasp al his work

For example, I read the Filth and bought every issue but I still struggle with what it was all about but I bought every issue (?) and on some level enjoyed it immensely

I read the Invisbles in trade paperback, bought them all out of order and intend to re-read them again. As a result, on first reading I was lost a lot of the time and whilst intuitively and with the help of supportive material I 'got it'.......I did struggle and couldn't articulately describe what I had read. I have recently re-read one of the trades and with my recently acquired interest in Magick....it made a lot more sense.

Moore's Promethea is my favourite comic of all time....particularly issues 13 to 23.

in a nutshell

Morrison to me is a nutcase who writes great stories

Moore is a great storyteller who just happens to be a bit of a nutcase

love them both and I wish them both continued success in the future. The world could do with more and more talents of this calibre.

If this is a satire post and I have missed the point, then I will blush tomorrow and ask for your abuse to be shortlived and meagre

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:38 / 17.10.04

If anyone fancies doing artwork for my ace comic idea (about two comics-writing mages, one bald, one with a beard) having a "magickal duel", except in reality they're actually just sat getting pissed in a pub cussing each other and threatening each other with increasingly ludicrous and slurred invocations, then PM me...

16:10 / 17.10.04

GOOD IDEA

"May the hoarry hosts of BlueYellooflush smite you in the receptacle of urine.....their legions of bleacheebloks and ducktoiletness combining into the demon......."Mekmypizzsmellneescaa"

"I block your attack and send to you the devil of the underworld and scourge of the drinker......
"MightyMepyntofBecksizflatazfuk"

sounds like a great idea!

18:42 / 17.10.04

Following his sterling work on the Cannonball update, shouldn't John Dangerfield be doing the artwork on this ?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

10:35 / 18.10.04

I'd be so proud to have Jim Degenwald illustrate it.

12:34 / 18.10.04

I'll do it! Send me the script!

15:23 / 19.10.04

I never remember to post this but this might be as good a thread as the next one...

I remember reading an interview or an introduction or something of sort written by Morrison in the 80s where he was actually applauding Watchmen. He said something to the effect of Watchmen making him realise the limitless possibilities in the medium or he'd be a playwright.

This was years ago then I saw him piss on Watchmen in every interview which always baffled me.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Haus of Mystery

18:46 / 19.10.04

VS

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

00:50 / 20.10.04

OK, what everyone is missing out on is that the fight won't mean a damn thing if you don't build to it.

The feud is what will make the fight, so we have to have some kidn of angle...something that will make the fans want to pay to see them in a steel cage against each other.

Maybe Moore could write an issue of the X-Men that dismisses everything Grant did...no, Claremont already did that.

Wait....Claremont is also known for using the Alan Moore stuff from Captain Britain.

THAT'S It!!!!!

Moore and Morrison in a tag team match against Claremont and Byrne!

11:20 / 20.10.04

Please do Ganesh

Yes, please do me. All of you.

Mr Fear is essentially correct. I was referring to a comedy fictionsuit created three or four years ago by Yawn and myself, in a pub (hence the beverage-themed name). Ho Garden was conceived as a Fast Showesque character with but a single joke: a near-obsessive axe to grind over Morrison's 'theft' of Moore's ideas.

Those were the days, those were. This thread reminded me of him.