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My evocation experience

 
 
Madman in the ruins.
19:10 / 13.10.04
It's been three weeks to the day since I evoked Odin, the Norse God of Kings, berserker's and Poets.
And these have been some of my experiences under him.

On the physical side my hands are cut to ribbons, I have never cut and scratched myself at work like I have in the past few weeks, this also included a major electric shock which left a burn on my right wrist (now faded). Speaking of work, I had such a run of bad jobs and work going wrong electronic panels not working as soon as I touched them, Bolts shearing, bearings breaking up. Jobs I normally find easy in work just seemed to be going wrong. I've also been clumsy, dropping things, Cups, Boxes, literally tripping over my own feet at times. Odin is not a graceful Godform.
My temper has been short to the point of exploding, I have raged at the smallest thing. I'm surprised I never got into physical violence with anyone. On the other hand I've been winning verbal arguments with people, people I would normally loose to ,or give in for the sake of a easy life.
And speaking of people, I've not seen some, my sis in law's , my niece in face thinking about it f email friends have been a little bit conspicuous by their absence. On the other hand I bumped into people mainly male friends I handn't seen for a while. Even though I was busy. Very busy, too busy in fact to do any writing or practicing of magic, too busy to sit and read any books for the first couple of weeks. It tailed off a little last week and I was back to get back to reading Circles of Power.
Noticeable Coincidences.
I evoked Odin on a Wednsay , I thought it fitting. Two days later I was perusing a antique/junk shop when I found my Sword. The sword I will be using in my Magic Rituals. I've also felt powerful. When my temper was up, I felt like I wanted to (and probably could) punch through walls. People (Other Magicians) who saw me said my Aura was Blue and that my whole attitude, body language sect had changed. (I was described as “Its Si but with bolt on assesories”)

Now this exercise it at a end. Its been a fun ride, crappy days in work included. And I have definetlly experienced a dip in a very pagan powerful godform. Something not always suited to 21'C life with its nuances and social niceties. In fact in conclusion I will say this.
Odin is not graceful, not subtle and not very conducive to feminine energeries. He is also not some nice fluffy godform, the state of my hands will attest to that. But he is powerful and very capricious. What I asked for wasn't answered in the traditional sense. But I have learn t something a very valuable lesson so early on in my career as a practising Magician. I've learn t that its real.(As was said to me If I have evoked a Cuthulu entity I would have felt a mild immersion, but because I went for a very strong Godform I experienced strong results.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:21 / 13.10.04
Yeah, Odin's pretty hardcore. Hung on a tree for 8 (or was it 9?) days, much longer than Christ. And I didn't know he was the god of berserkers. That means Wolverine and Odin have a connection

But seriously, this is a very interesting depiction of your evocation.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
04:09 / 14.10.04
Odin is not graceful, not subtle and not very conducive to feminine energeries.

Maybe that's your experience of 'him' but I'd caution you against making sweeping assertions in this manner. I've for example had deep possession experiences with the Changable One, and IME 'he' was very graceful, very subtle, and certainly had an eye for the ladies & liked to be around them.

I'd be interested in hearing how you performed this invocation. Did you draw on any of the historical sources of information about Othinn, such as the Grimnismal?
 
 
Sekhmet
13:11 / 14.10.04
Mrrr. Just as I was reading FinderWolf's "Hung on a tree for 8 (or was it 9?) days", a strange-looking fellow walking past the front of my office suddenly flung his arms out and screamed, "THE KING IS STILL ON THE TREE!"

Eep.


I've been feeling for a while that I should be paying far more attention to Odin... I mean, beyond asking him for help when I'm having computer trouble...
 
 
FinderWolf
14:35 / 14.10.04
Wow! That's a pretty specific coincidence. And of course, there are no coincidences...
 
 
Sekhmet
14:44 / 14.10.04
Yeah. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't just seen it myself.

This sort of thing has been happening more and more lately...
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
17:07 / 14.10.04
[q]Odin is not graceful, not subtle and not very conducive to feminine energeries.

Maybe that's your experience of 'him' but I'd caution you against making sweeping assertions in this manner. I've for example had deep possession experiences with the Changable One, and IME 'he' was very graceful, very subtle, and certainly had an eye for the ladies & liked to be around them. [/q]

Aye maybe for you but defientley not for me. Then agin Odin is a tripartiate entity-The Wandering Shaman, The Bezerker Battle king and The Dour Allfather of Vallhalla. I just checked my magical diary and it was a month not 3 weeks Doh'.

I've been clumsy, breaking stuff left right and center. Maybe it is all down to personal experce of the Allfather.

To evoke Him I used the Enocian "Ohh lee Veey" mantra.

The ritual went something like this.
1. Cabalistic Cross.
2. Enochian evocation
3. Close with a Pentagram
4. Lesser banishing ritual
5. Cabalistic Cross.


It was a ride and I enjoyed it (Even with the crap work experices).
 
 
trouser the trouserian
07:54 / 15.10.04
Well, Othinn has, like any complex personality, many different moods - one of his titles being "Changeable One" as I mentioned above., and presents himself in many different ways.
Do you think your experience of Othinn would have been different if you'd invoked him using elements drawn from the Norse religion, rather than the qabalistic jiggery-pokery?
Also, did you have a specific intention for invoking Othinn - were you seeking wisdom, advice or some quality associated with Glad-of-War?

Works of invocation can be tricky, as there's the temptation to attribute any unusual phenomena to the activity of the deity/entity that's been invoked. And of course, during a period of invocation, events/occurrences tend to take on a heightened significance anyway . How does one decide which events/occurences are 'caused' by the deity, or not?

thoughts anyone?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:04 / 15.10.04
We're edging into the row about cultural imperialism again aren't we. The tendency in contemporary magic to approach all other traditions through the lens of the western mystery tradition. I'm interested to know why you decided to contact Odin through something as culturally different in tone as Enochian and ceremonial.

For instance, why not make a temporary altar for him and buy him a few beers, cook a big meal for him, have a chat, see what's up, listen to what he has to say. Strikes me that sort of model is likely to be far closer in general form and tone to how the Northern trad Gods were interacted with, than the high magic posturing of ceremonial ritual .

For similar reasons, I find the terms "invocation" and "evocation" quite weird language to use when talking about relationships with Gods and Goddesses. I think they're more suited to the traditions they arise from, where you might be invoking and evoking Spirits and Aethers, Archangels and Demons, and so on.

I think of Diety as something you have an organic, evolving, long-term relationship with - rather than conjure forth on a one-time only basis to solve some functional task or job-of-work. The way you just described the ritual, Odin, the culture and tradition he belongs to, and what he might want out of the meeting himself, doesnt seem to get a look in. Seems a bit weird to me.

What was the purpose of the work? What did you offer Odin in return? Were you framing it as first contact in an attempt to develop a long-term working relationship with Odin or did you just get his number out of the yellow pages book of Gods and Goddesses (otherwise known as Liber 777) to see if he could fix a spiritual blocked drain for you? Exactly which passages in the Norse Edda imply to you that Odin might best be petitioned on these terms?

I'd speculate that the operating systems of ceremonial magic will "work" if you're just trying to contact Odin, or any other deity. But they might not be the best approach for successful and mutually rewarding interaction. It's the equivalent of calling someone up on the phone who you've never met and asking/telling them to do something for you, as opposed to taking them out for a drink, buying them dinner, having a chat, and getting to know them. It's not really too surprising that you caught him in an aggressive confrontational mood...
 
 
Chiropteran
12:44 / 15.10.04
To tag a bit on to Gypsy Lantern's post, it also may be worth mentioning that - unlike many other ancient Gods and Goddesses who haven't had an active cult in centuries, and of whom it has been said (for that reason) that they might tend to respond more favorably to any attention, whether culturally appropriate or not (a questionable assumption, but one that I've seen tossed around a bit) - Odin currently has a small-but-growing core of devoted worshippers (Asatru and "independent") who go to great pains to make their offerings and interactions aesthetically fitting, and make at least a nod to historical accuracy when possible. Odin is not starving for attention, in other words. Unlike the hypothetical "lonely spirits," he doesn't need any one individual to pray to him or evoke him or whatever.

Just throwing that out there, for what it's worth.

All the same, I'm glad it was a satisfying experience for you. I'll add my voice to the questioning of the others, though: what exactly was it you were looking for? Odin's a heavy player, so I expect it must've been something pretty big?

Good Haunting,

~L
 
 
Chiropteran
12:50 / 15.10.04
Oh, another quick thought - if your evocation didn't include an offering, then all the cuts and bleeding might've been Odin taking what he thought was due him.

Different culture, differerent spiritual being, but for comparison the lwa Ogoun is fond of red meat and blood offerings, and supposedly if you have an open cut or sore on your body while performing a ceremony for him, you should make a point to tell him "my blood is not for you" so he won't "get a taste for it" and start taking it for himself. (I don't know if this is orthodox Haitian Vodou belief, but I heard it from a Haitian mambo who says some of her people believe it.)

Again, FWIW.

~L
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:28 / 15.10.04
cultural imperialism, i agree as you can well gather, the idea that seems to be lacking from alot of modern ritualism is service, the idea that you are a servant of the power you revere, that you acknowledge that they are more powerful than you and that you seek there help and will reward them with your service.

this isnt directed at you john odin, but at what i am experiencing in general from what i read and the communication i see on message boards.

another word i would attribute that is lacking is devotion.

i see alot of roleplaying, which i can see because its what i used to do in my own practice, perhaps looking back with the foresight i have now thou i am being too judgemental of others expecting people to be where i am without having experienced the learning curves i have, perhaps its just a case of me cringeing at my own mistakes of the past as i come across them in other people.

i do get the impression thou that some people are approaching magick as a computer game with levels to ascend, and new powers to gain with each level up.

collect the right books have the uber kenneth grant yu gi deck. i done daath whats next man.
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:30 / 15.10.04
maybe i am just turning into an old fuck. heh.
 
 
Lord Switch
15:41 / 15.10.04
or, maybe, john o is using his own paradigm and in that paradigm he is the supreme being and the gods are subject unto him?

Being swedish I cringe every time someone mentions the norse gods and the norse traditions, seeing as they were worshipped mostly in the habitable areas of scandinavia. where people actually lived, ie southern parts of sweden, whilst up north towards norway, at that time in history, and now, the religion is the shamanistisk religion of the Sami.

Why is cultural correctness important?
doesn´t´it depend on what you want out of it?

I would never dream of approaching Odin without the proper precautions, if I wanted to work with the entity in the Priest kind of a way.

But if I was culturally "free" so to speak and just wanted a God of RunesMagick and i had heard of Odin in that context, I might have "looked at my paradigm" and then used that.

Because lets face it people have their own paradigms and certain paradigms deal with gods and powers in different ways.
And, there is no such thing as the one true paradigm, so from the persons and the persons paradigms point of view the result they get will, hoperfully be the result they wanted.

Wiccan invoking artemis without any cultural knowledge
wiccan with phd in theology with specialisation on ancient greece invoking artemis
golden dawn member invoking using that system
greek old lady reciting the same prayer her ancestors told her
or chaosmagician brewing upp hir own thing,

will result in exactly the right effect for the practitioner.
Do gods exist or are they just aspects of the psyche.

I belive the only time it matters is if one would want to work with the God/dess in the appropriate worshipping way as it "should" be done in the cultural context.
Then, one should read up on it properly instead of looking at some webpages.

Otherwise: to each his own, and if its just roleplaying, a astral servitor that pretends to be a god, or the actual god that turns up the hopefully the practicer will notice and become wiser at the end?
 
 
Madman in the ruins.
17:32 / 15.10.04
Do you think your experience of Othinn would have been different if you'd invoked him using elements drawn from the Norse religion, rather than the qabalistic jiggery-pokery?
Also, did you have a specific intention for invoking Othinn - were you seeking wisdom, advice or some quality associated with Glad-of-War?

Hmmmm. Intresting Questions A-of-Bush. Firs off. Yeah I think If I had used a more traditional/more suited to Odin method of evocation then myabe I would have expericed someting that had more.....(Struggles for vocabluary).."Physical form"...by that I mean, perhaps
visions of the one eyed figure

My intentions. Odin is one of the Gods of Words, with the Runes, poerty and his quick wit. That was one of the reasosn for my Evoking him.


Gypsy Lantern-I'm interested to know why you decided to contact Odin through something as culturally different in tone as Enochian and ceremonial.

To me I dont see a diffrence A Godform is a godform, wether it comes from a Eygyptian, Norse or Voodo Parteneon. -Thats just me and my opinion.

I contatced Odin because he's a Godform that I have allways felt drawn to. from a early age. I was maybe expecting some sort of 'Amercan Gods' type experience which cerntanly wasnt the case.

What was the purpose of the work? What did you offer Odin in return?* Were you framing it as first contact in an attempt to develop a long-term working relationship with Odin.

Yes, I want to cultivate a long term relationship with a Deity I feel drawn too.

or did you just get his number out of the yellow pages book of Gods and Goddesses (otherwise known as Liber 777) to see if he could fix a spiritual blocked drain for you?
. Definetly not.


Lepodetrian.-Oh, another quick thought - if your evocation didn't include an offering, then all the cuts and bleeding might've been Odin taking what he thought was due him.

Doh. I never though of that. Makes perfect sense tho.



Perhaps in Hindsight It was a little bit reckless. I term it having my knuckles rapped by someting a heck of a lot bigger than me. My freinds are all gratefull I am "Back to normal"but you know it was a experience and its the old conundrom of you dont get wisdom out of books, you gain wisdom from experience.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:03 / 18.10.04
To me I dont see a diffrence A Godform is a godform, wether it comes from a Eygyptian, Norse or Voodo Parteneon. -Thats just me and my opinion.

Based on what exactly? Conjecture or personal experience of working with entities?

Because lets face it people have their own paradigms and certain paradigms deal with gods and powers in different ways.

Yeah...assuming that "Gods" exist only as Jungian archetypes within the practitioners unconscious mind, have no degree of self-awareness or independance beyond what the practitioner feels they should have, and assuming you personally ascribe to the "paradigm" model of magic. Which I don't. The belief that "everything is just a paradigm" is itself just a paradigm, and a fairly hackneyed post-modern one at that.

you dont get wisdom out of books, you gain wisdom from experience.

Absolutely
 
 
rising and revolving
16:26 / 18.10.04
John, I just want to say thanks for posting up the details of your working. It's both good to see and rare around here. I suspect because it doesn't matter where you're coming from, you're going to get jumped on by people who think they've already learned whatever it is you're learning.

That, and some people subscribe to the 'silence' model of magic. Anyhoo, just wanted to throw my appreciation your way - always like to hear peoples experiences.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:52 / 19.10.04
you're going to get jumped on by people who think they've already learned whatever it is you're learning.

I don't think anyone is "jumping on" anyone. This is a discussion forum. The way I see it, all text posted here is a starting point for debate. If you're not prepared to have your preconceived ideas and notions about magic questioned, then go and post them in any number of occult web forums where that doesnt happen, and everyone will just high five you for being a "badass chaote" or something. If any of the responses in this thread irk you, why not engage with those specific points and further the general discussion?
 
 
rising and revolving
16:34 / 22.10.04
Gypsy, as you say whenever you post anything here it's open for debate. You and I agree on this.

I'd say that means that it's not easy to post your experiences here, as they'll be challenged.

For some reason you've taken offence at my use of the term "jumped upon" - why, I don't know. Certainly, people *do* get jumped on here in the course of (healthy or unhealthy) debate - I'm surprised to see you arguing otherwise.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:32 / 10.09.05
I'm bumping this coz I thought it might be interesting to contrast my experience with this deity against John Odin's, given our different approaches.

I've been interacting with Odin fairly frequently for the past two-and-a-half months, using pretty much the kind of ritual outlined by GL, above, as opposed to a Thelema-flavoured model, and my experience of Odin was indeed very diferent than that described by the topic starter.

The first encounter: I started out with an altar service: blue altar-cloth, food and drink offerings (including pieces of apple and white onions, beer, honey, and apple schnapps) and other items I thought he might approve of. I kept the interaction fairly formal, first hailing him, reciting some of his many heiti, then inviting him to be present. I spent some time celebrating his mysteries, and talking to him about those aspects of him I felt closest to and those I would like to emulate myself.

I kept this up until I got a sense of his presence in the room. He appeared to me in his wandering shaman guise.

I couldn't see him, not like I can see this room, but I got some pretty clear mental images: we were standing in a small clearing, and he was dressed in a blue-grey cloak and a big brown hat, with a staff (which I somehow knew to be Gungnir, disguised). We had a conversation, during which I expressed a desire to improve some of my skills and to begin working with the runes again in a serious manner. The vibe of that first interaction was a bit odd: I felt he was relating to me like a hyperactive little kid who couldn't be trusted to sit still and listen. Things have improved over time.

I haven't done a full altar service to him in a while, because he seems to respond better to outdoor offerings. He also gets a candle lit and a libation at his harrow on Wednesdays, and other times as requested.

I'm not exactly the most feminine person, but I am female, and it's never seemed to present a problem or create a clash. To me, although Odin is himself a very masculine force he seems to be intimately connected to the realm of the feminine, deriving much of his power from females and from skills and abilities regarded as feminine. There's the magical skills learned from Frejya, the lore surrounding his main wife, Frigga (that she is as foresighted as he, but keeps her own counsel), and the hints that he's disguised himself as a witch-woman. He is served by the Valkyries, female warriors. Then there's the countless female lovers appearing in the lore; for instance, he spends about half the Lay of Harbarth essentially bragging about how many chicks he's scored with. (In a soap-opera character this would be obnoxious, but we're in the realms of myth where such interactions have a deeper mystical significance.)

Changeable isn't the half of it. In a ritual context and in trancework, I've interacted with him in a variety of forms: the wizard, the furious warrior, the weary traveller, the wise old man. In my experience, He doesn't seem to have any problem offering knowledge, power and inspiration to a woman. I've never got the feeling of treated as being weaker or lesser in any way; neither dismissed nor mollycoddled. He's very, very challenging: if you want to work with him you have to prove yourself, no matter who you are. But the potential rewards are avilable to women as to men.

As well as the aforementioned tendency to collect minor and not so minor injuries, something I've noticed is that old angers come to the surface after working with him. This is uncomfortable, but very beneficial in the long run. Rage that has been turned inward and stifled for years suddenly leaps into the consciousness, demanding to be experienced fully. Woden, id est furor...

I'd be interested to know if John has done any more work using his method, and if so what the results have been?
 
 
daynah
00:14 / 11.09.05
The ritual went something like this.
1. Cabalistic Cross.
2. Enochian evocation
3. Close with a Pentagram
4. Lesser banishing ritual
5. Cabalistic Cross.


Has anyone here tried evocation without all the ritualization?

You know, perhaps a, "Hey, god. It's me, Margaret." Do you feel the ritualization is required? Why does the ritualization help you? Is it only for your own benefit? Does it depend on who your trying to evoke? Do you feel it protects you?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
01:04 / 11.09.05
Has anyone here tried evocation without all the ritualization?

You know, perhaps a, "Hey, god. It's me, Margaret."


You've posted in a very jokey style, but I think you've hit upon something absolutely key to my own work.

Depends who I'm talking to, really. Before we get onto the whole Gods thing, I should mention that my principle spirit contact is with a very nice couple of spooky disincarnate people who hang around and tell me stuff. Now, they are Margaretable. (I asked them if they'd like a shrine or something once and they just laughed. They prefer notebooks.)

When we're talking about yer ackseral Godz: (and my Gods seem to be a bit more like the Lwa than anything, so not very Godly in the usual sense.)

My Godbotherings are very un-ritual-ish, from a certain point of view. When I do a full altar service things are more formal: chanting, singing, offerings ect. But most of the time it's just me going either to the harrows (permenant shrines) I have set up to various beings and asking what they want. (I have harrows set up to various figures from the Northern Pantheon, also a vigourous and active harrow to my ancestors.) It's sort of like having roomies: "I'm going to stick the kettle on, does anyone want a cuppa? I'm off down the shops, anyone want anything?"

There exists the possibility of having a more simple chat of the Margaret variety; I think it depends on the nature of the God in question. F´rinstance, Thor appreciates offerings but doesn't stand on ceremony--in times of need, one could call upon him in a simple way, by going into a light trance and asking for the necessary. I reckon this would be the same for any blue-collar sort of deity, those that are concerned with the livelyhood of the working Joe. He likes offerings if you can get them, but he'll understand if you're a bit short right then.

Gods who deal with more sophisticated areas of life seem to like more sophisticated rituals and more frequent and lavish offerings. I could, and indeed have, had more Margaret-flavoured interactions with some Gods, but they've been borne of desperation and they've carried a price.

Sometimes the exchange is more like "OI! MORDANT! It's me, one of your several Gods. Mind doing XYZ?"
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
01:19 / 11.09.05
More simply:

Do you feel the ritualization is required?

Given that some people can pick radio signals up on their fillings, do you think a radio is required?

Why does the ritualization help you? Is it only for your own benefit?

The ritual seems to have a twofold purpose: One, it gets your head in the game--you're thinking like someone who wants to speak and be spoken to by the Gods... rather than someone who really ought to take that rubbish out, paint the spare room ect. Two: it seems to help forge a connection, lets the being you're trying to speak to know that you wish to communicate.

Does it depend on who your trying to evoke? Do you feel it protects you?

Some really like offerings. Some like offerings, but aren't that fussed. They all seem to prefer appropriate actions over flashy gifts.

No, it doesn't protect us. In fact, given that appropriate rituals and offerings seem to enhance the connection between human and God(s), I'd say that one becomes less safe. Deities and spirits aren't safe. (Like taking the stabilisers off your bike or moving out of your Mum's house aren't safe. Only, y'know, moreso.)
 
 
daynah
12:27 / 11.09.05
Is it possible that the ritualization to "get your head in the game" could get your head too much in the game for some people? As to the point that people start imagining stuff instead of seeing and feeling their experiences from a neutral position?

You've posted in a very jokey style, but I think you've hit upon something absolutely key to my own work

There was a point to that, actually. I'm of the opinion (and all of this is my opinion) that, well, gods tend to not be total buttwipes. If you just quiet yourself and ask for them respectfully after taking the time to learn abit about them, chances are they'll at least take a peek at you.

I'm also of the opinion that this way also prevents some of those wild reactions people get. In this manner, you're addressing a god as your equal, so gods that would be overwhelmed with power instead of going nuts with it seem to be more... curious in how you've asked for them. I try to do it like, "Would you like a cup of tea?"

And I rarely ask for anything. I learn from them simply by them being there, their behavior and such. They don't have to do anything or answer any particular question I have.

The first few times I try, some gods are wary about this approach, as if I have other motives. After a while, they get more curious, "Does this girl really just want to see me and not beg me for material pleasures?" and they will seem to visit but stay far off, and I will not get much effect. After a few more tries, they get more trusting and they will be fully visiting... just a fully as with all the ritualization except this time they're not thrashing their weight around. This time we're acting as if we're eating crumpets commenting about the weather in Valhalla (again, joking exagerations).

With that, the gods seem to point out from their perspective what they've noticed in my life. Things I may have overlooked, or repressed, as problems. They see things much more clearly, from on top of the maze, from me stuck inside it. I think this works better than lighting incense in a special way to try to command someone to appear and then say, "Answer me on this topic!" What's a god to do when he thinks the real issue lies elsewhere? Pfft, if someone just fancied me into a place like that so rudely, I wouldn't go out of my way to point out other trouble spots unless I was an extreemely niiice goddy-woddy.

I don't know... but when I don't come with my "sword drawn" with ritualization and what not, and show my full hand completely respectfully, I feel like I gotten calmer, more enlightening results.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:42 / 11.09.05
"Does this girl really just want to see me and not beg me for material pleasures?"

I hear ya. Most of my interactions aren't "for" anything, in the sense of asking for a new car or whatever; they're aimed at building a relationship with that being.

The way I work it is, I pretty much wait for a God to contact me; usually this happens via synchronicity--one sees signs in graffitti, in items found on the street, in animals and in passersby. When Freyja wanted my attention I had about a week or two when I couldn't step outside my house without running into at least two or three pregnant women, usually dressed in her colours, green and gold. There were other little hints too. (Some of them are much more... direct, shall we say, sending visions and auditory messages).

When that happens I respectfully ask what's required of me; sometimes they want an altar service so that they can speak more clearly to me; I find that this kind of ritual allows more direct contact than just trying to talk to them in my head. I've had some pretty intense experiences working that way. Sometimes they want me to craft items or go away and study some area of lore.

The purpose of my interactions with the Gods (and in fact the mainstay and goal of my magical work these days), is to connect more deeply with them, understand them better, to let them speak and interact with the world through me. I'm striving become a bridge between the Gods and people.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:08 / 11.09.05
Is it possible that the ritualization to "get your head in the game" could get your head too much in the game for some people? As to the point that people start imagining stuff instead of seeing and feeling their experiences from a neutral position?


I suppose it's possible, sure. I personally find that working the way I do, almost vodoun-style, allows for very strong direct contact that you can't really mistake for anything else. I think I'd be more likely to imagine stuff outside of a ritual context.
 
  
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