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The Virgin Mary & The Teutonic Knights, request for academic help

 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
15:14 / 09.10.04
The reason I've been posting even less than normal recently is that I am currently researching my Master's Dissertation on the Teutonic Knight's Veneration of Mary. Broadly speaking the dissertation is investigating whether pre-Christian beliefs efected the Knight's approach to Mary.

I am trying to find decent, up-to-date information on Mariology and northern goddess figures and any interelationship therein. Also anything on the Marianism of the Teutonic Knights (I'm familiar with the Mary Fischer book). I'm already familiar with Eric Christiansen and Alan Murray's work on the Northern Crusades, William Urban's work on the Teutonic Knights, Marina Warner on Mary and Hilda Davidson on Northern Goddesses. In terms of primary sources I have been using Henry of Livonia, the Rhymed Chronicles and I'm about to start on Jan Dlugosz. Though if anyone knows of an English translation of Peter von Dusburg could they let me know? Though I'm pretty sure there isn't one.

I appreciate this is all pretty obscure stuff but if anyone could help me out here I'd be very grateful.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
16:54 / 10.10.04
*flexes google-fu*

how about, "the Mary-Verse of the Teutonic Knights" by Sister Mary Goenner.

accreditable here:
www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2082/is_n4_v57/ai_17199165/pg_1
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
08:09 / 11.10.04
Cheers Inchoate, Mary Verse I currently have on order from the British Library and I'm waiting for it to turn uop but cheers for the link to the Bill Urban article.
 
 
grant
14:52 / 11.10.04
I wonder if Sheel-na-gig research (I stuck a link up in the "Gargoyles" thread in Temple) might help... it's certainly a way that pre-Christian goddess stuff wound up surviving into the Middle Ages. I don't know if there was anything knightly attached to them, but I wonder if you could connect a Sheel-na-gig church (most are in Ireland, but I think there's at least one on the continent) to a chapter of knights.

Tell me more about the Teutonic Knights, please. When were they founded? Where did they hang out? How do they relate to the Templars and the Hospitallers? Were they connected with Joan of Arc?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
09:26 / 14.10.04
Cheers for the reply Grant, I'm going to look into the Sheela-na-gig thing, though I must confess I had always thought that the Sheela-na-gig was a pagan earth mother thing, similar to the paleolithic Venuses of Lespugue & Kostenki (in the Ukraine) I didn't realise there was Christian connections.

To answer your questions the Teutonic Order was founded at the Seige of Acre in 1190 (Third Crusade, the fun one with Richard the Lionheart, Saladin etc. etc.) because it was thought that the Templars and Hospitalers, who were mainly French & English, were failing to address the needs of Germanic Knights. The Order initially was neither particularly big or powerful as the two older orders pretty much had the holy land sewn up between them. This change in 1238 when the Order began a crusade in the Baltic against Northern European Pagans. The conquered Prussia and Lithunia and got fought against Poland and Russian states like Novgorod (this is what Eisenstein's Alexander Nevsky portrays, though the film itself had more to do with Russian worries about the Nazis).

As to their relation with the Templars and the Hospitalers the Teutonic Order is comparable with them and they are considered to be the big three of the military orders, though there were others. They do however seem to be the least well known and it seems that the Northern Crusades are almost forgotten history. Also as far as I am aware the Order was the only organisation of its kind to effectively rule entire countries (like Prussia & Lithuania).

As for Joan of Arc I'm not really familiar with a link and a quick look through William Urban's Teutonic Knights hasn't really turned anything up. The only thing I can think of is that the Knights sort of set up a Crusading Holiday camp in the Baltic, they through great parties, had some brilliant hunting and it was a good place for nobility from Northern Europe to get themselves "blooded" and contribute to the crusade cause (and presumably earn themselve indulgences and other such brownie points with the papacy). I do know that during the 100 years war during outbreaks of non-conflict quite often both English and French troops would head North for some pagan target practice but as for a direct link I can't really find one. Strictly speaking an ostensibly military order couldn't be seen to be to partisan in a conflict like that.
 
  
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