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Hydroden powered truck made by high school students.

 
 
lekvar
22:03 / 07.10.04
Let's hope this site hasn't been hit with the slashdot effect
If it has, here's the gist of the article:
A group of high school students have created a hydrogen-powered truck. Big deal you say? Well this truck renders its own hydrogen from water via onboard solar cells. Fuel up from your garden hose!

This has the potential to truely bring the power to the people. No more Exxon, Shell, BP. No costly infrastucture to develop that could hinder the rapid proliferation of cheap, sustainable technology.

Best yet, the techniques used function on existing engines, and the conversion only cost these students about $10,000. My math shows $25,000 truck + $10,000 conversion = guilt-free commuting.

True, this truck only generates enough fuel in a day to go a few miles, but if these kids can do it, what excuse does Detroit (and Japan and Germany etc.) have.

Between this and the use of bio diesel, are we seeing the beginning of the end of the U.S. dependence on oil?
 
 
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23:29 / 07.10.04
Not trying to put a dampener on anything, but I've heard about this type of thing before, then I never heard another thing about it.

I bet the Oil Companies go around buying all the patents or something. I heard about one here in Europe somewhere that ran on water about five years ago, then nothing. I don't know what the hell happens to them.
 
 
lekvar
01:37 / 08.10.04
Yeah, we've all heard the rumors, but these kids actually did it! The major auto manufacturers have commited to the adoption of this tech, this just proves that their complaints of unfeasability are groundless.

They now have no excuses.

If they don't adopt this technology, the people will.
 
 
Elbereth
07:46 / 08.10.04
There are numerous hydrogen powered vehicles and plenty of plans to build them that have been around since the sixties (contrary to what the students said) the problem is combining it with a power source like the solar panels which are cheap and efficient. Right now they have the design down but the only way to run them is to generate hydrogen some place else and put it in the vehicle which has its own set of problems. Alternative transportation isn't being held down by automotive companies it just isn't efficient. Biodeisel works but if every car was a biodiesel car we would have to convert all of our land to oil producing crops to keep up with demand. Hybrid vehicles were cheap and efficient and every major car company has one. The only way we are really going to convert to alternative fuel sources is after 2012 when over half of the worlds supply of oil has been consumed causing prices to rise exponentially after that point. but im babbling now
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:39 / 08.10.04
No, actually, the petroleum corperations do buy up alternative energy source technology as soon as it's developed. I used to know an electrician in the field, and he said it happens. They buy everybody, eventually.
 
 
lekvar
23:00 / 08.10.04
The main problems with both the current form of hybrid fuel and hydrogen vehicles are the nature of the fuel they use and the tech that produces it. Yes, hybrid vehicles are cheap and efficient, you do have to plug them in at some point, and where does that electricity come from? Nuclear or fossil fuel power plants. Same goes for electric cars. The current plan for hydrogen vehicles calls for the water to be separated into hydrogen and oxygen using electricity coming off the grid- once again, nuclear and fossil fuels. The end result of the current plans is still pollution, it's just not coming out of the tailpipes of the cars we will be driving.

The benefits of this system over the one currently being developed are a) no costly infrastructure to bog down uptake- no new "gas" stations to build or distribution to establish, and b) no reliance on old power systems that just "hide" the pollution.

True, the bio diesel does have its drawbacks, and in order to supply a national demand we would have to convert massive amounts of land to fuel crops, but think of what that would do for the economy! Plus we could end the farmer's subsidy. A big big big big big drawback would be that agribusiness and engineered crops would take over, but I'm in denial about that so I won't mention it.

A fun fact about bio diesel: a schoolmate of mine runs his car on used cooking oil he gets from fast food restaurants. He heats it, strains it, pours it into his car and drives off into the sunset leaving nothing but bemused fast-food managers and the delightful smell of french fries behind to mark his passage...
 
 
grant
16:42 / 11.10.04
, hybrid vehicles are cheap and efficient, you do have to plug them in at some point, and where does that electricity come from?

No, you don't. The electricity comes from regenerative braking; basically, it comes from the gas-burning engine of the car itself.

It's a way of converting otherwise wasted forward momentum into usable energy -- of capturing the power that gets lost when you hit the brakes.

Quibbly point, really, but important to know.

I dig biodiesel myself.
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:23 / 26.11.04
"Fill up from your garden hose..."

Screw oil... Waste the drinking water supply instead.
 
 
lekvar
22:54 / 27.11.04
Do you have any data that would suggest that the exising aquafers/reservoirs/desalinization plants aren't up to thge task of supplying the (thus far theoretical) national demand for H2O? Or are you just being snarky? From my (admittedly priveleged) standpoint, the need to cut down on greenhouse gasses and end our dependence on fossile fuels outweighs the grim specter of water shortage. I may be wildly off-base here, but I haven't seen any international wars started over water.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:15 / 27.11.04
Well, water access is one of the issues in the Israeli-Palestinian brouhaha...
 
  
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