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I like it here, and I dont ever want to leave.

 
 
Ender
05:03 / 07.10.04
Why have I done some of the things I have? Sticking up for source, making a moron of myself, and bumping up a thread, that has caused hurt, I dont the right words.

I love coming here. I look forward to my breaks at work because of Barbelith. I tell my friends about the clever and strange things I see here.

But why are there sometimes such mean posts? I understand that people are called on their shit. I understand that members are well informed and educated, and I like seeing the good zings that are given. But some times people are just plain mean. I think back to a recent post from source, “DO WE NEED A RANT FORUM?”. Here is a guy who is just pissed off, probably had a terrible day, and the straw on his back moved him to type in some belligerent crap. A rant, I am pretty sure he didnt think about anything he typed. His fingers just hit that plastic, and he clicked post topic before realizing what a "RANT" it was. I didn’t like what he said, I think he should cut that girl some slack, but I HAVE NEVER SEEN SOURCE POST NEGATIVE OR RUDE THINGS BEFORE. I am willing to give him this one. I will look to him with understanding. Think of it as public service if you like (if anyone has court orderd hours, I would be happy to sign off on a couple and fax it to the court.) If Source keeps posting big stinking shits on the living room carpet of Barbelith, well, then tear him apart.

I have seen people on this blog be full of compassion, I recently went through some posts from years ago, and came a crossed a post from RAGE, about her grandfather dieing, and I bumped it up, (I didn’t mean to offend anyone) I thought that it would be good for everyone to see what a great and awesome thing kindness was, and an example of some real and honest compassion. I thought that maybe I could pull up a soapbox for a minute, and preach about how we don’t need the excuse of a dead loved one to be kind to someone else.

I have felt at home here.

I am happy reading through peoples posts, laughing, feeling as if I know them, miles of wire and millions of white screens away. In some ways, all of this is very personal to me, don’t tell me it shouldn’t be. Things should be personal, it makes life more real to me, and better. The world is so harsh some days, and if I can find some solace, some release here, in these threads, is that so wrong?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:46 / 07.10.04
You wanted to show what a great and awesome thing kindness was by posting:

Rage? lets bring back some of the old classics, rage seems to have different personalities?

That doesn't seem preoccupied with kindness, awesome or not...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:15 / 07.10.04
But, to your main point:

Here is a guy who is just pissed off, probably had a terrible day, and the straw on his back moved him to type in some belligerent crap. A rant, I am pretty sure he didnt think about anything he typed.

Fair enough. And perhaps Bed Head has had a rotten day working on a till. Perhaps his mother or father had to work on a till to send him through college. Perhaps his sister cries herself to sleep every night because people she is just trying to serve to the best of her ability, and protect from credit card fraud, give her the stink-eye. Is he now entitled to "type some belligerent crap" in turn?

That's the thing - we don't know. All we have are the words on the screen. You take responsibility for what you type, because it is what you are. Other people respond in kind. If you want to criticise one group and not the other, that's fine, but that, in turn, is your personal choice - there's no overriding moral compulsion operating.

So, if you mean "let's all be nice to each other", then absolutely. Let's treat each other with a default respect, and also treat Barbelith with a default respect - part of which, in my humble and entirely personal opinion, is respecting the intentions of the people who worked to create it - which include both freedom of and responsibility for speech.
 
 
Ganesh
10:07 / 07.10.04
Surely Benfox is a comedy suit?
 
 
Bed Head
10:51 / 07.10.04
Cripes. Did I really come across as being ‘plain mean’? I hadn’t intended to write anything so needlessly offensive. I thought Calm the fuck down and get over yourself is good advice for someone who’s still raging uncontrollably about a nothing incident five full hours after they say it happened, and I tried to explain as much to Source when he asked.
 
 
w1rebaby
12:01 / 07.10.04
can't we just all get along?
 
 
Ender
12:08 / 07.10.04
Upon looking again at what I wrote to bedhead, I see what you mean, sorry about that bedhead.

What I said about Rage haveing various personalities, I have been reading through alot of her posts, and yes, she does, I was trying to point out the contrast in the two posts that she currently has on the front page here.

I wish she would get over her desire to destroy the empire, and just want to get along agian.
 
 
Sir Real
12:09 / 07.10.04
I have noticed a tendency here to equate questioning someone's rhetorical excesses with a wholehearted support of whatever provoked the rhetoricians (O.K., surely that's not the right word, a little help?) ire in the first place.
I find making disclaimers (Not that I support X's calling Y a Z, but...) tiresome, but the alternative might be threads with a bit more venom, however misdirected the venom slinging may be from time to time.

It's worth noting that the nice, hot, venom slinging threads tend to be pretty popular...
 
 
w1rebaby
12:15 / 07.10.04
Actually, I *do* support both people checking signatures four times, and the tired pussy-preaching forces of PC conformity. So there.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:15 / 07.10.04
Sir Real: Could you explain what you mean by "rhetorical excess" there? I'm not sure I get you. Do you mean something like:

A: I disagree with x
B: Oh? And you want to bring back Hitler too, do you?
C: I don't think anyone mentioned Hitler...
A: Thanks for backing me up, C.
C: But I *don't* disagree with x...
 
 
Bed Head
12:22 / 07.10.04
This is ludicrous.

For the sake of clarity, which post questioning my ‘rhetorical excesses’ are you referring to, Sir Real? this one, or this one?

Perhaps you could also tell me exactly what rhetorical excesses I am guilty of, because benfox’s assertion that I attempted to tear Source a new one doesn’t tally with anything I think I wrote, or intended to write.
 
 
Sir Real
12:23 / 07.10.04
Yeah, that's pretty much it, Haus. Except that before C has a chance to state his lack of disagreement with x, he has been accused of being as big a nazi as A is being presumed to be.

I don't imagine it's any more prevalent here than elsewhere. It's probably more a result of a person not reading closely because they're too busy loading up one of their pet points.

Not that I would ever do such a thing...

(And just because I evidently can't make a post without at least on incorrect use of parenthesis...)
 
 
Sir Real
12:29 / 07.10.04
This is ludicrous.

For the sake of clarity, which post questioning my ‘rhetorical excesses’ are you referring to, Sir Real? this one, or this one?

Perhaps you could also tell me exactly what rhetorical excesses I am guilty of, because benfox’s assertion that I attempted to tear Source a new one doesn’t tally with anything I think I wrote, or intended to write.


O.K., this is a perfect example of an even more annoying behavior; mistaking a general comment for one aimed at a particular person.
 
 
Bed Head
12:44 / 07.10.04
But you don’t have any examples to support your general comments? Okay, my mistake thinking you were referring to me. Huggles anyway.
 
 
Sir Real
13:00 / 07.10.04
But you don’t have any examples to support your general comments? Okay, my mistake thinking you were referring to me. Huggles anyway.

And a fine example of one of my favorite behaviors.

I didn't really have any particular ones in mind. It was more a 'Hey, it's happened to me too" kind of thing, but I'm hoping the misunderstandings I've been involved in have settled and I don't want to stir them up again by using them as an example.

And, I'm not sure if I'm doing this right,-Huggles right back atcha.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:06 / 07.10.04
Actually, that does bring up one of my behaviour hot buttons - identifying behaviour without providing examples. Not a big deal in this case, but in can be absolutely infuriating, especially when some serious allegation is being made.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
19:43 / 07.10.04
 
 
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22:13 / 07.10.04
Easy man!

3 things:

1. Grow a little thicker skin, and don't take it all too personally, because....

2. It's only a message board on the superhighwayinternerd.

3. Think a little bit before you post. (It comes with practise.)

I only pay attention to point 3 about once a month, but you don't wanna do the amount of silly things that I've done here, It might not be too good for your mental health.
 
 
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22:15 / 07.10.04
And Xoc: I really hope that Cat without the sword is in the middle of a move to dodge out of the way of it.
 
 
Brigade du jour
22:20 / 07.10.04
No dude, the Cat is going to whup the motherfucker's ass, Ralph Macchio-style! See how he balances on one foot, ready to jump on the other foot and kick in the same movement! Bonsai!
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:03 / 08.10.04
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:45 / 08.10.04
My God, it's John Kerry!!!


benfoxdance, personally the only thing you've done that offended ME was the Rage thread-bumping- I'm willing to take you at your word when you say you didn't realise it may cause offense or upset, but... dude, if you'd thought it through, you would have realised that it would- the impression you gave, intentionally or not, was kind of "hey, this is funny, too!" when it quite blatantly wasn't. Error of judgment, maybe.

As to the other stuff, fuck it, I totally disagree with source too, but accept that others mightn't.

Just think before postino. That way you won't end up like me. (Hang on, that's not quite... ah fuck it).

Gotta go... I'm busy stalking Steve.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:47 / 08.10.04
Pork stalking?
 
 
Brigade du jour
16:30 / 08.10.04
Best kind.
 
 
King of Town
23:36 / 18.10.04
It's worth noting that the nice, hot, venom slinging threads tend to be pretty popular...

Yes, our cultured has been shaped by television and the soap operas our mothers watched.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
12:06 / 19.10.04
Actually, I don't think that's true at all. The popular threads are ones that create opportunities for many people to participate in a way they find meaningful or fun.

Sort of obvious, really.

Not everyone's mother had the time to watch soap operas, you bourgois cow!
 
 
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13:28 / 19.10.04
Is it just me or did benfoxdance lose it a bit when he shortened his name to benfox?
 
 
Ender
15:29 / 19.10.04
Clever
 
 
Source
17:10 / 19.10.04
Benfox,

What you're talking about is not completely alien to Barbelith. When I first came here that's what I thought this place was (and that's what I was told this place was): A place with adults who treat each other with respect and have a kind of wisdom that only age and experience can give. A place with some threads where people can discuss their problems and other threads that are just needless funny drivle.

It sounds a bit cheesy, but you get the point.

I have two private forums that I regularly visit - One where we've all known each other for many years and are all ridiculously, and (quite honestly) sickeningly kind to each other (and I love it!). And one where we have a rant forum, where the leading member of the forum (the guy who pays the bills) posts goatse pictures and extremely poor-taste Hitler jokes (I tend not to post here so much, and just read the funny posts and rants).

To anyone who was offended by my "Do we need a rant forum?" thread, and this includes you, Sir Real - I'm truly sorry. Especially in the language that I used - I had probably just come from that second private forum, where the word "nazi" is commonplace and not considered to be as offensive as in most other places. But that's no excuse for the post that I made and Bedhead was right to chastise me for it.

After a while of seeing that the thread wasn't going in the direction that I had originally intended, I (and those who joined in) decided to go over-the-top and turn it into a satirical joke of itself.

But I hope people know, and I'm sure that most do, that I'm not the person that I portrayed myself to be (as a joke in the end) in that thread.

You can read the rest of this post here (since I don't want to hijack Benfox's thread with things that should be addressed in my own).
 
  
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