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There Are No Horror Comics!

 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
15:37 / 04.10.04
It started with Patrick Neighly saying in The Paper Curtain

In my opinion, horror as a genre doesn’t work well in comics. I can’t name a single scary comic off the top of my head. None of the usual suspects are in any way frightening or suspenseful, which rather defeats the point and makes The Walking Dead the only “horror” book worth my money. Robert Kirkman seems to understand that shock tactics and gore don’t have the visceral effect of film or prose in comics, and presents what is essentially a survivalist soap opera cloaked in largely superfluous horror elements – although, I freely admit it could just be me.

And then Steven Grant concludes:

Neighly doesn't really make his case. It's more statement than argument.

But he's right.

...

Most "horror" movies depend on abrupt movement and quick-cut editing to make us jump in our seats. (...) Most horror films aren't even horrific. They depend on cutesy little tricks, and brutality, blood, liberal helpings of gore or the threat of it, and violence. So do most horror comics.

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The only truly horrific, even scary, moment I remember in Alan's entire SWAMP THING run (which, as it went on, became increasingly satisfied to do little more in the way of horror than to present new, dislocating ideas) is in an issue often dismissed by ST fans as a minor throwaway, where Holland, wandering the swamp, encounters a serial killer. Little happens in the issue – it's mostly the killer's monologue – but there's one moment, purely conceptual, where the killer voices an idea so simple, so logical that it achieves a loathsome inescapability: the idea that killers like Ted Bundy and Henry Lee Lucas, the ones who get all the publicity, are the inept ones, the ones who just aren't good enough to escape discovery and capture.


My italics.

Well, Neighly seems to associate horror with the trappings that have made modern teen horror so popular despite its mediocrity: gore, jump scenes and blunt shock tactics, so over the top they're more like parodies of the genre. Throughout his article, Neighly brings up zombie killing and other gory stuff as real 'horror.' Which comics can't -and should they? - obviously reproduce because they lack the realism and movement that movies can afford.

But Grant goes further and says horror in any medium is pretty difficult, if not impossible, but at least sees that whatever horror may exist is more than quick editing and badly-lit sets. He points out a monologue - just words - in Moore's ST as scary, which then shouldn't it make easy to produce horror in comics, since words are one of the medium's strenghts? And what can we say about the silent, long panel sequences in comics like From Hell and Watchmen? Rorschach finding out the little girl was fed to the dogs still leaves me depressed whenever I read it. And the claustrophobic 'autopsy' of Mary Kelly?

Are those two making the common mistake of judging comics on the strenghts of other media? And isn't Grant contradicting himself by defining horror as "an idea is presented that upends our comfortable notions of the nature of things and subverts them with a logic antithetic to everything we love and cherish," and ignoring that comics have the tools to achieve this effect? And exactly what is horror?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:55 / 04.10.04
There are a lot of them now, over at IDW. All those Steve Niles-written books. 30 DAYS OF NIGHT, FREAKS OF THE HEARTLAND, REMAINS, the one about the late-night spook show TV host...and people who like horror seem to like those books.

Plus, DC is about to debut a George Romero-written book called TOE TAGS. One story arc will feature art by the inimitable Richard Corben.
 
 
Simplist
17:08 / 04.10.04
News to me--I've developed a great love for horror comics in the past several years, and find new ones all the time. OTOH, I don't generally care for horror narratives in other media--I don't read horror novels, rarely see horror films, etc--so maybe I'm enjoying aspects of the comics other than those focused on by "real" horror fans.
 
 
sleazenation
22:55 / 04.10.04
I'd have to agree that there seems to be a basic misunderstanding in a certain portion of the population about what makes horror horrifying. (If I was feeling generous I'd describe this as a difference of opinion, but really, if you can't see the difference between say the wicker man and friday the 13th then there really is no hope for you).

It would seem to me that true horror requires great skill to craft. Examples of comics horror that I can think of would include the Season in Hell arc from Shade the Changing Man and The Face. Both stories were written by Pete Milligan and involve a tangible element of claustraphobia, a feeling that there is no way out. Both stories also end with the hero being ultimately responsible for the demise of a loved one as well as their own downfall.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:13 / 05.10.04
Also, wouldn't Hellblazer be considered a horror title? It just reached #200...that's a pretty long life.
 
 
A fall of geckos
13:44 / 05.10.04
I've been reading a fair number of horror comics and tpbs recently, and this has been something that I've been thinking about. In many ways, Steve Grant has a point - there are a number of techniques used in the horror film genre that don't translate well to comics.

It's harder to build up tension, and then release it in a shocking manner (the cat scare).

You can't link the horror with a soundtrack, or with silence - techniques seen in most horror films from Psycho to Ringu.

It's harder to control the pace at which the reader/viewer is experiencing the horror. The medium of film naturally gives the director more control of what happens to the viewer - they can't choose not to turn the page, or to flip back a panel or two. Once something is shown in a comic, you can dwell on it - try and see what it is. The horror film technique of allowing the view a brief glimpse of... something, is lost.

There are clear differences between comics and prose as well. In prose, much of the work is done by the reader. Classic horror writers such as M.R. James often use this to intentionally make the reader create much of the horror in their own mind. In horror prose, less is often more. Because of the use of pictures, it's harder to do this in comics. It's a lot harder to be frightened of an unimaginable elder god, when they're depicted as a large mound of shrimps and tentacles.

However, I think it's not impossible to create successful horror comics. From Hell has an intensity that places it in the psychological horror genre. I think the kind of body horror that Cronenberg attempts, can be found in Junji Ito's work. Junji Ito also created something that approximated Lovecraftian weirdness in Uzumaki – partially by focussing on a horror so abstract that it falls into the almost unimaginable category of the Cthulhu mythos (haunting by spirals). Both the examples referred to by sleazenation make use of claustrophobia, paranoia etc… They rely on getting under the reader’s skin in a subtle way and leaving a feeling of uneasiness or repulsion. All of these things can be done with the techniques available in sequential art. I think the difference in available techniques may necessitate a distinction between horror in comics and other forms of horror and this distinction hasn't been explored properly yet. Often writers try to use techniques imported from other genres, which don't work. I think the creators that have started to explore these techniques are building a new method of approaching the genre.
 
 
eddie thirteen
14:22 / 05.10.04
I think the main problem horror comics have is the same problem that any comics that aren't about superheroes have -- too many creators who are too trapped in the superhero paradigm to do anything else. Which is not to say that superheroes and horror can't be combined...or, for that matter, that superheroes and crime/westerns/war/science fiction can't be combined. Obviously they can, and the hybrid sometimes makes for some excellent stuff. But it's still a hybrid -- 'Salem's Lot, for instance, would be a very different story if it starred Buffy Summers, and while it might be entertaining, it probably wouldn't be anywhere near as scary as the same story starring everyday people. If comics were to do horror the same way it is done in novels and film, there would have to be a shift in emphasis away from heroic series characters and toward normal people in frightening situations (a definition that would exclude, for instance, Hellblazer, which is in many respects still a superhero comic; but would include something like From Hell). As far as the techniques of horror as applied to comics go, it's useful to remember that a lot of things that work in film also won't work in a novel...which, y'know, doesn't seem to have hurt horror novelists any. Making a comic really scary -- in a way unique to comics -- may require some innovation and originality on the part of the creator, but if that's a problem, I think it's more the fault of the creator than that of the medium.
 
 
Catjerome
18:45 / 05.10.04
Weird. Is the Newsarama guy talking only American comics? Uzumaki freaked me out so badly that I quit reading it halfway through volume 2 and gave them away, and when a friend of mine gave me a synopsis of what happened after that point, I wigged out some more. That's successful horror right there.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:20 / 06.10.04
What a load of horseshit. E.C. Comics, Death Rattle, Phantastique, Fly in my Eye, Rattlebone, Pulse of Darkness, Basil Wolverton, all achieve true horror on so many levels.
And you think they can't get a reaction? One old story I recall, by my old drinking buddies S.C.A.R. (Steve Carter/ Antoinette Ryder) made a guy puke. PUKE! SCAR said that just made it all worth while.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
14:40 / 06.10.04
Grant is talking more about shock and jolt than actual horror. At least that's how I read it (and I read his column). Lovecraft didn't have any jump cuts or cats from cabinets, King doesn't have the luxury of shocking music and Bloch didn't get to have a really nice edit job in his novels.

Comics have to go more for the edgy feeling, rather than the shock, because a static image can't jump at you and say "Boo!"

Horror is hard to pull off in ANY medium, but to say comics can't do it disregards the stuff that does. Alan Moore's Swamp thing creeped me out for the first 15 issues or so, some of Krigstein's work on the EC books, some of the very early Eerie and Creepy stories pulled it off (especially the Ditko work...which was by FAR his best art), some of Wolfman and Colan's Tomb of Dracula, the IDW stuff and more.

There are LEVELS to horror. If you can't get horror, you go for shock, and if you can't get that, you go for the gross out. Comics can do shock, but they can do horror and gross out pretty damn well.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:49 / 06.10.04
I dare anyone to read Hideshi Hino's 'Panorama Of Hell' and say comics can't do horror. Steven Grant doesn't live in a country that's been nuked, so maybe his sensibilities are slightly...different.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:04 / 06.10.04
Grant is talking more about shock and jolt than actual horror.

Definitely. Which is why his argument seems somewhat pointless. If he'd said "comics can't do what bad 80s/90s-style horror movies can" then yes, I'd possibly agree.

It's like saying radio can't do comedy because it can't do visual slapstick.
 
 
The Natural Way
20:47 / 06.10.04
And, of course, there's Uzumaki [sp?]. Genuinely unsettling at times.

And Morrison - Morrison can do creepy, disturbing shit far, far better tham Moore: the TV channel that never changes, the Candlemaker, The Semi, The Men in Purple and the....well, even his Un-entity (see Marvel Boy) shits me up a bit.

Having said all that, however, I do appreciate that most of George's work isn't strictly horror, but, well, there isn't much of that stuff that really freaks me out, anyway. Don't Look Now over Freddie, any day.
 
 
NezZ the 2nd
19:14 / 09.10.04
I agree with Bush, to me horror is a reaction. If your favourite character dies you may feel horror. Horrific things happen in comics all the time. Splatter gore and that genre has also been addressed, with Evil Ernie and Chaos comics coming to mind. Plus the level of gore in comics IMO exceeds film in every way, simply because half of the stuff in comics would be deemed unsuitable.

While a lot of films have made me jump, none have ever left me scared. So in that respect I say there are no horror films ....
 
 
twomenwalkingabreast
07:17 / 08.11.04
There are horror comics. Read any of the 'Moonchilde'references in the Invisibles to set on coursre.

And I've a short tale in which each character is forced to deal with an impossible to ignore fatal occurrence, a natural disaster which will most likely destroy all life on the planet for millions of years to come.
 
 
sleazenation
11:33 / 08.11.04
All this talk of active Images reminds me of Strange embrace and what a good horror comic it is - well worth checking out if you are looking for examples of horror comics...
 
 
superdonkey
18:04 / 08.11.04
Al Columbia does really creepy comics, as does Junji Ito.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
05:55 / 15.12.06
Bump.

I picked up the fourth and final "Dark Horse Book of..." a couple weeks ago, "...Monsters," and really enjoyed it. I've actually really enjoyed the whole quartet ("Witchcraft" / "Hauntings" / "The Dead" / "Monsters") and got to wondering about the horror or "creepy weirdness" comics genre again. Each of the pretty little anthologies has a fresh Mignola-drawn Hellboy story (Best being "Troll-Witch" and "The Lion and the Hydra") and these wicked Jill Thompson painted talking animal stories which made like talking animals against my will. Thompson's stories are fresh and fun and scary and sad. And "Monsters" includes a faux-Kirby faux-Challengers of the Unknown B.E.M. story starring Riff Borken at the dawn of the Superhero Age by Giffen reminding me why I like Giffen.

And then this week I picked up Pat McEown's Mignola-plotted first trade of Zombie World ("Champion of the Worm") and loved it. McEown's Herge-ian remix of Lovecraft and a story that doesn't end well (when, oddly, I expected it to). Anybody else read this? Know anything about it? I'd like to track down more. Does McEown do all the art for the regular line or what? There's apparently another collection with different artists, but I know little beyond that.

I googled around and didn't find much, but I am tired tonight and my fu is limited.

But! Horror! Want to talk it up again? And Monster Comics?
 
 
KieronGillen
10:32 / 15.12.06
I know it's come up several times in the thread already, but in a universe where Uzumaki exists, the question is just ludicrous.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
10:58 / 15.12.06
Anyone seen the Uzumaki movie? I'm not familiar with the manga, but the screenshots make me drool and reach for my u-torrent button.
 
 
grant
13:37 / 15.12.06
I've seen the movie, but not read the comics. I get a strong feeling the movie acts more as a gloss to or illustration of (?) the comic book than standing on its own -- the DVD extras talked a lot about how certain story elements were just reduced to surreal three-second snips of impressionistic bursts. I'm not exaggerating -- the whole history-of-lake thing was reduced to a sort of brief, rushing feeling of discomfort behind the wheel of a car, if I'm remembering right.
 
  
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