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Servitor upgrade and Cat's illness

12:32 / 03.10.04

about six months ago, I created a Servitor that I likened to the image of a big happy ginger cat (he changes to a lean black cat when working but I decided when not employed, he best be well fed and happy)

to date, he has achieved his aims but only in a minimal way and about three weeks ago, I decided to upgrade him and give him other abilities that I hoped would further empower him/help in his duties.
Basically, I wrote in new capacity and abilities and hoped that this would allow for more impressive results

I also restyled his Sigil, I changed a loop that was contained in the Sigil from clockwise to counterclockwise, as I was hoping he would bring more benefits this way.

I was told this week that one of my aunts five cats has just had to be put to sleep and despite this cat bearing no similarity to either form of my Servitor, I cannot help but think I have had some influence on her cat's demise.

I am not totally stressed out with all this....and in my defence, I did state in the upgrade instructions that this was only to be achieved if it 'avoided any harm to all'
but I still keep finding myself thinking about this poor pussy (he was about 11....she had had him since a kitten and he was of a nervous disposition but a lovely cat all in all)

Have any others on here had unfortunate coincedences or supsicions that they might have caused undue harm by their magickal acts.........and how do you all feel about the issue of there being a price to pay.......is there always a cost for magickal work, in a karmic way?

Sorry to ramble on but poor Trevor (great name for a cat in my opinion) is no longer with us and I feel a little responsible.....not massively so but it is niggling away at me

I know this is a silly post and must seem crazy to some of you but I would be interested to hear your thoughts.
Trevor me old mucka....I hope there are plenty of cats for you to play with whereever you are

(to the cat lovers on here, he was a bit white and tortoiseshell fat boy. A real handsome cat and when he asked for food he was perfectly polite and said in a US accent "Mom" to my aunty)

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18:56 / 03.10.04

I don't really think you had anything to do with it, to be honest... Life generally sucks without anyone's intervention, accidental or not.

Actually, this reminds me of the time two summers ago where I created a servitor to protect my house while I was on vacation, especially to protect the animals. Naturally, the first day of vacation we get a phone call saying our cat had fallen ill and might not make it (he was in fact put down 3 weeks later... I asked bast to intervene so I could be with him when he died). Needless to say this ruined the vacation. Someone on here said the servitor might have detected the cat as old and sick and thus a danger to the house's health, but frankly I don't think that's likely (mainly because I don't think the servitor was even launched correctly). I mean, he was 13, so he wasn't exactly young. I can't help but noticed he fell ill shortly after I began buying GM's "The Filth" series. There may be a connection there...

Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown

00:06 / 04.10.04

Yeah...Tony weren't none too healthy.

I had a similar experience with our family cat. We'd bought two kittens originally, and all was well and fine. I went home from the city one weekend and played with them, and it was fun. I was really connecting with one, in a mystical sense.

So the next week the daft bugger runs out the door, onto the street, and gets schmucked by a passing car. The sad thing is that he left his twin sister cat behind, though she seems to have recovered from not having her brother around and seems pretty happy with having the run of our rather large house (three storied full sized house gives her lots of adventuring space...even if she DID figure out how to get into the air ducts...).

I'm actually wondering what the effect of our cat is having on the rather nasty centipede-spirit-thingy that was there before we moved in, and took an immediate disliking to me. THAT thing was really frickin nasty.

13:25 / 04.10.04

Don't be daft!!! Have an ecology check - what did you design your tulpa for?? I've been through this sorta stuff myself y'know doubts and superstition and all that. It all depends on design, intent and programming and FOCUS! You have to put alot of planning into these thought-forms, some of them I've constructed I've had to undo. I'm more into one servitor as opposed to self-replicators, though I think if they have a positive programming then it could be alright. This reminds me of a wiccan girl I knew who always talked of how elders forbade astral exploration on psychadelicks it sorta makes me think could alot of sensitives perceive these self-replicators on the astral? The tibetans have the most shit hot servitors at mind's touch! I think you are acting a wee bit silly but next time put more work into it. My servitors all seem to get based on popular culture, I usually make them for silly reasons. I think I am getting through the old dark side eventually.

14:49 / 04.10.04

I cannot help but think I have had some influence on her cat's demise.

Why?

I tend to remain agnostic about this sort of thing unless the results are incontorvertible.

06:18 / 05.10.04

No I know it is silly and I even have moments where I think:

"don't be so ridiculous Joe"

just a little niggle in the back of my mind that is all

Years ago, before I really knew even as little as I do about Magick that I do now, I was intrigued by a comic book called the Books of Magic (I think it was a DC comic)

Anyway, in the comic, the child hero Tim Hunter (who looked far to similar to a Mr H Potter to be coincedence and pre-dated him) was being told about Magick by the various Magickal DC characters such as Dr Fate, the Spectre, John Constantine, Mister E and others

In the course of his introduction, a dead character spoke to Tim (Sauron the Sorceror)

he said something like
"Don't bother with Magick lad....there is always a price to pay" as he rotted and turned back to ashes and sand

This always stuck with me as I have a highly developed guilt complex and this either affected my view or backed up my pre-conceptions about Magick that I already held. Something this powerful had to come at a cost

Now, years later, I know more but am sure of even less. Whilst the logical and even intuitive sides of my brain know I am talking bollocks....there is part of my my mind, a little nugget that thinks "the cat died........that is the price that was paid.........there is always a price to pay"

I don't like this part of my brain/mind and I wish I could change the Imprint (to use NLP terminology) or belief that I have that magick always comes at a cost. I know that I will or I could possibly always find examples of such if I search for them , that would corroborate this belief. The mind will always find examples to prove and fit it's pre-conceptions

Hope that explains my stance. it is not that I fully believe this but it is a conflicting belief that clouds some of my others and makes me more cautious

13:20 / 05.10.04

Joe: if you find that you're really stuck on "the price to be paid" (which is, obviously, an idea that goes back much further than Books of Magic), see if you can't work that into a productive part of your practice - when you work, make an up-front offering to whatever powers you're drawing on (whether deity, The Universe, or your own subconscious) and pay that price at the negotiated rate, rather than sitting and waiting for it to be deducted in less favorable ways. The idea of paying for magical or spiritual services goes back a long way, and a little research (correction: "a little careful research) can turn up dozens of appropriate forms, depending on your needs. And it doesn't necessarily have to be big, either, depending on what you're doing, and in what system (and who you're calling on) - and I'm not talking about blood sacrifices, either. Alcohol, money (even/especially coins - copper pennies, silver dimes, etc.), food, flowers and candles on the altar, some type of service for a set period of time ("a praise song every morning when I wake and before sleep, for a week"), all sorts of things. If you're working with a specific spiritual being, find out what they like and give it to them. If you're working with yourself, offer up what seems appropriate to the working - a (perceived) debt to yourself is still a debt. Pay the price beforehand, and avoid heavy "interest charges." Just something to think about. Take it as you will, YMMV.

~L

p.s. Bush Loses sleep worrying about how he's going to "pay the price"...