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Lord Morgue
11:05 / 26.09.04
O.K., topic starters- with all the time war going on, how many timelines are we talking here? There was the original, unaltered timeline where Judgement Day happened in the 90's, and John Connors (presumably by a different father) had them beat by 2029 or so, and then, with T1, T2 and T3, there were a series of revisions, ending with a postponed 21'st century Judgement Day. But according to the novels, the humans lost in all previous timelines, and John Connors was lying to his mother and younger self, to keep them fighting for a world where the humans MIGHT survive. By knocking Judgement Day back a few years, does that give us a better chance, or are things FUBAR?
Who really started the time war? The Terminators wouldn't have bothered, if they were winning.
Was there always a John Connors, or was he a creation of the time wars?
When Skynet launched WW3, was it trying to kill humankind, or trying to halt the virus, like it was programmed to?
Is Judgement Day really unavoidable, and the hostle intelligence we perceive as a virus a natural consequence of the internet and communication networks reaching the complexity to sustain life, and how crucial was the Skynet computer in this?
And when will Chibi T-X make her move?

Research:
eTerminator.com

TERMINATOR 2029AD
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:30 / 26.09.04
And why does Reece say the Terminaors are "hard to spot", when the appearance of Arnie in both the first two movies implies there are a limited number of templates?
 
 
Lord Morgue
07:34 / 27.09.04
I think Skynet rotated the models, so that the same face wouldn't be used twice on the same resistance cell.
According to eTerminator, the "101" part of Arnie's designation represents the skin model, in his case based on a 2004 Cyberdyne laser scan of Master Sergeant Bill Candy, United States Marine Corps. Which means that, WW3 notwithstanding, in the Terminatorverse there's a flesh-and-blood Arnie running around. Spooky.
108 is the T-800 that invades the bunker in Reece's flashback in T1. So, presumably there's at least a hundred or so off-the-rack skinjobs for T-series endoskeletons.
 
 
Lord Morgue
07:54 / 27.09.04
And I think John Connors picked the T-800 101 either for the sake of historical versimilitude, or out of nostalgia for ol' "Uncle Bob". Ironic, considering it was a T-850 101 that killed him, chosen by Skynet for its sentimental value, letting it get close enough to do the job.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:05 / 27.09.04
Which I have to say I don't buy - I mean, after decades of bloody conflict, you're surely not going to think to yourself "Oh! That looks just like Rover! Let's see if he's friendly..." but then T3 was basically a confused mess, so there we go.

I have a question - I always thought it was John Connor, rather than Connors. Is that just Arnie's mangled pronunciation fooling me?
 
 
Benny the Ball
11:33 / 27.09.04
Yeah, 'Sarah Connor' is definitely how I remember her name being uttered by Arnie in the first one, and Paul Winfield and Lance Henriksen.

Maybe John added the 'S' to confuse skynet, you know what those machines are like, oh the beauracracy!
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:35 / 27.09.04
No, you're right, it's Connor. Whoops, guess I've been killing the wrong list of people out of the phone book. My bad!
And remember, this is the T-850 model, with detailed psychological warfare programming. It probably walked up to John and said something like "Come vith me if you vant to live. NOT!" and punched his spleen out.
 
 
Lord Morgue
09:24 / 06.10.04
I should have called this thread "Terminator Mythology Reverse Engineering".
That would have been COOL.
 
 
_Boboss
09:55 / 06.10.04
'will these heal up? you're not much use to us if you can't pass as human'

'affirmative'

cf

'hey buddy you got a dead cat in there or what?'

'fuck you asshole'

so what is it? do they heal up or do they start to rot?
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:43 / 06.10.04
The eTerminator site says the skins do rot eventually, and are stored cryonically until used, but I disagree. The original script stated that the Terminator has a small heart and lungs, about the size of a chicken's, set in a recessed compartment, and shows it eating a candy bar, wrapper and all. While this may no longer be canon, I see no reason why the T-800 couldn't have a miniaturised life-support system to keep oxygenated blood flowing through the skin. Maybe even some way of providing nutrients for regrowth. As for the dead cat smell, I just think the punishment Arnie-1 had taken by that stage was enough to have killed the skin, while Arnie-2 only had some bullet-holes.
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:40 / 07.10.04
Apparently, the T-X has 25 weapons built into her reconfigurable arm. The list-
HDE Predator (333b), IAD - CHem Tech, Nano-Disrupter (.222mm), P31 Caustic Shells x231,.45 mm Cascader, SUBauro (.444), Finite Rapid Cluster Gun, HK-54334 (modified), Laser X-Ray Gun, EMP Generator, .223 Automatic STOPper, RUMSFELD P81 CAUSTIC, ADMOR BioBlaster, CG45 Needler, 783 CHAIN Repeater, CONSIGLIO Blaster, XFLRG - 44mm, KLD-Magnum Repeater, Tracking EBlaster, BioRail 32SR-9 (modified), TWIN Barrier Gun, Crescent Corridor Blaster, Plasma Cannon in the 60 watt range, Nanotechnological Transjectors, Diamond tipped cutting blade

I propose the Chibi T-X be equipped with:
Pizza cutter, BBQ lighter, squeaky mallet, ping pong ball gun, super soaker, nerf dart launcher, laser pointer, Hulk Hands, giant "We're #1!" hand, dustbuster, sparkler, lava lamp, martini shaker, Mr. Socko, blow dryer, glo-stick, glitter marker, Micheal Jackson glove, egg whisk, curling tongs, universal remote control, wiffle bat, Lady Remington depiliator, bubble wand and breast milk pump.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:08 / 07.10.04
As far as I go:

Cannon: T1, T2

Extended universe: T3, T2:3D, the comics etc.

Basically for me T2 is the end and the rest is "what if?".

Anyone read the wanky wankness that is Terminator vs Alien vs Predator or Superman/Terminator?
 
 
Lord Morgue
07:59 / 08.10.04
Robocop V.S. Terminator was alright.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
11:54 / 08.10.04
Wait...a RUMSFELD P81 Caustic??

Love it.
 
 
Liger Null
15:24 / 13.10.04
Has anyone explained how a John Connor born in 1985 be 13 years old in 1993? Exactly what year did T2 occur?
 
 
Benny the Ball
01:49 / 15.10.04
I was confused by this as well, because when I first saw T2 all I could think was that John was 10 years old and had a dirt bike...

They changed all the dates on the T3 DVD timeline I seem to remember.
 
 
Liger Null
19:05 / 17.10.04
Great. More Revisionism. Memo to James Cameron: Why not watch the first movie, determine that your boy won't be thirteen until 1997, and set your movie in that year? It's Science Fiction, Jim! It's OK to skip to the future if you have to.
 
 
trantor2nd
23:02 / 27.06.06
Is Lord Morgue's list of weapons accurate? How does the Terminatrix reload ammunitions on her projectile guns?

The scent of rotting flesh can be owerwhelming even when a small piece of meat rots off a living organism, like in diabetics with non-healing foot injuries. That's why Arnie chose to cut his eyeball out. Healing and dying of tissues is often not an all-or-nothing phenomenon for the organism.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:44 / 28.06.06
Healing and dying of tissues is often not an all-or-nothing phenomenon for the organism.

That said he does look more and more manky as the film progresses. From my memory of the novelisation of T1 he'd cleared away the flesh around his eye so he could see properly. It was all slowly decaying as the film went on, but by that point it's cover didn't matter quite so much as it had locked onto it's target.

The T-800 wiki has quite a bit of detail about the durability of the flesh covering.

The tissue of the T-800 series was able to live for a time without blood, oxygen, or nutrients due to changes made to the flesh material's genome by Skynet. This artificial flesh was essentially human material, containing real skin, underlying flesh, and hair, but it was heavily modified at the genetic level. It produced heat and sweat like natural skin, and a pressurized layer of synthetic blood was present under the layer of skin so the T-800 would appear to bleed realistically when injured. This blood was kept pressurized by a miniature pump located on the T-800's chest where the human sternum would be. For all its resilience, this artificial living flesh had a definite shelf life, and if it was left in service for too long, it would begin to rot and necrotize, and the T-800's cover would be blown. Untreated damage to the flesh disguise would create a suitable breeding ground for microorganisms and would therefore accelerate the degradation process. To prevent this problem, Skynet stored flesh-covered T-800 units in cryogenic pods when they were not in service in order to prevent premature degradation of the synthetic flesh. Normal T-800 units do not require cryogenic storage and would be stored in a large chamber until they were deployed. Skynet corrected this problem later by installing vital organs the size of a small animal's to keep the tissue alive; with this eating subroutines were also installed. It was able to go far longer than an average human without food due to the genetic alterations in the tissue. The T-800's were also programmed to limit their movements unless cover was blown and it assessed that the only way to function is to retreat, because the machine could move in ways a human body couldn't (such as having the ability to sprint at 60 mph) and would tear the tissue.

Oddly enough I was reading the first of the Terminator graphic novels last week (found it at the bottom of a box of old junk). It's not too bad but probably not canon. A group of rebels travel back to prevent Cyberdyne creating Skynet, whilst four (count em!) Terminators come back to ensure Skynet is created.

There's some good moments in it. Such as the Terminators doing some crude surgery on a rebel so they can bring a blaster pistol back with them. One of them is a field repair specialist unit created by implanting cybernetics into a rebel trauma medic, whose function is to maintain the flesh coverings of active Terminators (predictably he switches sides in the comic)

I recall it led into another story where the last surviving Terminator, it's mission a success, reverts to the secondary mission given to all Terminators that go back beyond a certain point: Find Sarah Conner. Kill Sarah Conner.

Well, gives them something to do I guess.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
15:28 / 28.06.06
I think the Robocop/Terminator storyline was pretty rad.

I haven't read it in years though.

Anyway, back on topic.

I think the landlord made the comment about the smell after arnie had dumped his eyball into the sink, which after a couple of days likely started to smell.

I suppose disecting the chronology of the movies depends on your opinion of time travel. Since John could not be born without Reece going back in time, he HAD to send Reece back in time to make the universe match his memories.

The problem you run into is the delay in Judgement Day happening, which Reece should have remembered in the first movie.

Also, the Terminators must have had on record that their creation was based on a mystery robot arm found in the 1980s, so they knew they would eventually send at least 1 Terminator back in time, which would explain why they built time travel technology.

bah, my brain hurts.
 
  
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