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What to do with Mommy Dearest?

 
 
ibis the being
14:21 / 23.09.04
Of course, as with any "my mother's batty" tale, this one could go on and on, but I'll keep it short and sweet.

My mother's crazy, a screamer, a spilled-milk freaker-outer, a verbally abusive nut and an excellent candidate for borderline personality disorder. Parents divorced 6 yrs ago, she forwent alimony and instead has been going after my dad for massive child support payments which she spends on herself/car/Pottery Barn slipcovers.

My relationship w her has sucked for yrs, since the divorce but also since I figured out I didn't deserve to be tortured for the 18 yrs I was in her house. Recently she had surgery and I forgave everything figuring it was a good time to do that in case she died, and I was sweet to her in the hospital and all.

But the minute she recovered she shut me right out, moved house, hasn't given me her new # or address and cut me off from my little sister. She also, instead of reminding my dad to make a certain payment, let the date pass and dragged him back to into court, where (LONG LONG story short) he was sentenced to 60 days in jail. Dad doesn't deserve it, is 50 yrs old, and has delibilitating pain disease.

I want nothing more than to call up my mom (who hasn't been answering my calls since she moved) and tear her a new one. I'm mostly venting, but I suppose my question is, should I call her and subject myself to her evil over the phone, or is a searing letter the better route? And also, a trickier question, do you think I should do something about my little sis (9) being raised by this madwoman, or would it be worse to disrupt things even more?
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:44 / 23.09.04
I want to give you great advice, something to make it all clear and sort everything out, but there is no such thing in such a situation. I would worry about your sister more than venting towards your mother, I know it's easy to say from a distance that ranting at someone solves nothing, but harder to do when caught up in the situation.

Sounds like a hell of a situation though.
 
 
grant
14:53 / 23.09.04
Just how close to a borderline personality disorder is she?

How old are you -- would you consider trying to name yourself guardian of your sister?

Because if you can get a psychiatrist to sign off on a DSM diagnosis, you can get a judge to terminate parental rights or guardianship.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:56 / 23.09.04
I think if you must tell her how you feel about this and bear in mind that part of your anger is probably to do with your own helplessness, than a letter is best for a number of reasons. It allows you to survey what you feel and control how it's addressed in a way that a phone call won't. It gives the other person pause to go over what you're feeling. You can also express how upset you are. Your sadness will always hit people in a way that your anger won't and especially those that care about you even a tiny amount.

If I were you I wouldn't write a letter to your mother but to your sister, asking how she is (dependent of course on her age).
 
 
ibis the being
15:34 / 23.09.04
Thanks all for your suggestions. My dear SO felt I should "get it off my chest" in a phone call but I am not so sure, wanted to hear more opinions.

grant - I don't really know if she is BPD, but since I think she could be I've read up a little and just ordered a book to learn more. I think it's clear that she is mentally ill in some way.

I'm 26 and have definitely thought a lot about trying to get custody of my sister, but for one thing I'm self-employed and don't have quite a steady income. Also, my dad is remarried & has little ones, and it makes more sense for him to take her, but he doesn't want to upset her by tearing her away from her mom.

Anna - I completely agree with what you're saying. I think I will opt for the letter.

My sister is 9 and extremely emotionally intelligent. This is part of the whole trouble - we can all see she's being damaged by my mom's antics, but we can also see that she would be traumatized by having to - the way my sis would see it - abandon my mom. Even when my dad takes her on weekends she worries all weekend because "my mom is all alone." My mom instills in her the message that she needs her, and yet when she's there mom spends no time w her at all.

I don't know what on earth to say to the girl - my sister. Even something as simple as "You are a cool girl, a great sister, smart, awesome," (which is the tack I usually take w her) is contradictory to my mom's teachings and therefore deeply confusing.
 
 
Sir Real
16:24 / 23.09.04
How about something along the lines of-'I know she's our Mom and you love her and everything, but you should know that her teachings are dead, 100% wrong.' She might not believe it, as you might not have believed it at her age, but at least if she starts feeling that way she'll know she has backup.
You are to be congratulated for getting out from under her influence and greatly admired for not writing her off completly.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
19:35 / 23.09.04
I feel ya like you wouldn't believe, Ibis. My mother is one of those quietly insane people, who when you meet her you would think she was one of the most normal people in the world... but try spending more than a cursory amount of time around her or her husband and you'll quickly learn they're both utterly around the bend. So much so that my sister and I don't talk to them anymore, for the past two years or so. The kicker is that my sister lives just three blocks away from them, but luckily has avoided them for the most part. That's a killer of a decision, but when it becomes clear that your own self-worth is in large part predicated upon whether you tolerate someone in your life who doesn't believe it's possible for you to do anything right and is uninterested in your opinions, well, sometimes sacrifices must be made.

I was probably in the analogous situation to your sister: my sister moved out when she was 18, leaving me at 12 very much alone to be mindfucked for another three years until I managed my escape. You must have faith that your sister, if she has any sort of brain in her head, will sense that the situation is inordinately fucked and begin making decisions based on doing precisely the opposite of what your mother would. There will be psychic damage; I can't promise otherwise. But somewhere between generational improvement and karmic retribution your mother will eventually find herself completely alone in a world of her own making, clueless as to how she got there and deaf to suggestions of how to get out.

/+,
 
 
ibis the being
15:31 / 27.12.04
Bumping this for the Christmas update. Interestingly enough, it appears Vladimir's predictions may be coming true.

My sister L had an emotional breakdown Christmas night at my dad's house. It started when she got in a fight with little ("half-")sister C and in her frustration cried out that C was not her real sister. That made C cry and hurt my stepmom's feelings, so my dad pulled L aside to talk about it.

It quickly became clear that L was really just confused and upset by her relationship with mom, and she pretty much had reached the limit of her ability to handle the stress of living alone with mom - who recently moved further away from our dad. Sobbing, while dad held her on his lap, she told us all that she "couldn't take it anymore" and didn't know what to do. She said she was afraid of my mom and her punishments, which consist of alternately screaming at or completely ignoring L. And that "it's like I'm holding something really heavy, the heaviest thing in the world, and I can't drop it - my mom won't let me drop it."

That's a startlingly good description of what it's like to be my mother's child, an apt metaphor for her particular brand of emotional abuse. She takes, exasperates, exhausts you, berates you, harangues you, and yet somehow has this way of making you feel that YOU are responsible for her happiness and if you say a word against her - even in your private thoughts - you've committed the worst betrayal. You live in this state of epic guilt and concern for someone whom you loathe, almost murderously at times.

It's confusing and devastating - and while I have had to live that way for years, I guess I didn't really understand that my little sister was feeling all of that. I guess I was wishfully thinking that, given her young age, most of it would fly over her head and leave her unaffected. Mostly I just tried not to think of L, as sad as I am to confess that, because it made me feel so panicky and helpless to think of her.

I never urged my dad and stepmom to ask for custody as much as I wanted them to, because the divorce trial was so lengthy (six years) and brutal that I was afraid to add to the stress. It turns out, L had the same thought, and told my dad she didn't want him to go back to court and "get in trouble." My dad, for his part, was afraid that taking L away from her mother would do more harm than good. But it's clear at this point that they have to get her out of there, and I think everyone realizes that now.

Ironically, my mom's moving away has probably only strengthened my dad/stepmom's custody case, because not only do they have a stable home life, all her friends and her old school - and, by my mom's own admission, a far better school system - are there too. I just hope my dad stays motivated on this (he's kind of the disorganized type), and whatever I can do I will.
 
 
LykeX
16:13 / 27.12.04
The more I hear about other people's parents, the more I realize that mine are angels. They are divorced, but thankfully it was never that bad.

I don't have much intelligent to add. I just hope you can help your sister out somehow.
 
 
alas
18:23 / 27.12.04
. Even something as simple as "You are a cool girl, a great sister, smart, awesome," (which is the tack I usually take w her) is contradictory to my mom's teachings and therefore deeply confusing.

You probably know this, and were speaking in frustration and anger and fear and sadness, but I just want to tell you that I'm pretty sure it never hurts to say stuff like this. My kids were in a similar situation in some ways, and I have found that I could say pretty complicated things to them, in a slow loving way, using comprehensible words, and it made all the difference in the world. Things like:

"I think our Mom is very messed up; it's not our fault, it's not Dad's fault, it's probably not even her fault, really. And so she makes us feel we are really bad and like we can't do anything right. But that's not true. You're a great kid, etc. And, you know what? We can be angry at someone, know that they are doing wrong, and still love them. You can decide you cannot live with someone anymore and still love them. You can protect yourself and care for yourself and still love Mom. You just have to find different ways of loving them. That doesn't mean it won't hurt and you won't feel bad. I feel bad. But we need to take care of ourselves so that maybe we'll be able to somehow figure out what we can best do to help her."

I always wanted to tell one of my children: "You have a right to take up space in the world!" Your little sis sounds like a great person. We all have a right to a kind of integrity, dignity. And it helps to be told that. Even if she feels confused, still, she'll almost certainly come back to what you said again and again in her mind.

Good luck to you.
 
 
Triplets
20:19 / 27.12.04
You could hire a hitman. I've heard they're quite affordable in the January sales.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
05:53 / 28.12.04
I guess I'm glad for you and your sister, Ibis, that it's all being resolved now. Better that she should understand the fundamental injustice of the situation before things go much further than to have to wait until she's 15 or 16 when certain attitudes and behaviors are far more heavily imprinted, as I did. My parents separated when I was only 4, and it was finalized I think when I was 6. But it was VICIOUS, and to this day there's a real animosity between them that, while my dad has moved on and regards as somewhat silly, my mother keeps fresh and raw, as she does with most of the other places in her life where she considers things to have gone "wrong."

As a recent example of the ways in which my mother feels she will "force" communication between us on her terms, she sent me an email in the past week saying that she's repainting her apartment and that in an attempt to simplify her surroundings she wishes to get rid of, among other things, drawings and paintings I did while in nursery school, so if I want them I'd better tell her so by New Year's. Think about that: first, I doubt these items are taking up much room in her life; second, most true parents wish to hold onto as many artifacts of their children's formative years as they can; third, she's using their disposal as fodder for blackmail to gain some control over a situation of which she has none. Of course, I am sorely tempted to respond so as to preserve these precious items that she would so callously toss, but I think I likely will not, so abhorrent do I find any sort of interaction with her.

It took me many, many years to exorcise myself of the mental geography her negative voice occupied in my head, and it's still an incomplete process. I take heart that my nephew, though he may be missing one grandparent from his pantheon, will hopefully never know that sort of defeatist attitude and absence of affection from someone who should be the exact opposite. That's the best way to defeat these demons: even if you can't undo some of the damage they've done you, there's no need for them to be passed along any further.

/+,
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
06:19 / 28.12.04
Just want to wish the best of luck in this situation. What a nightmare. I hope everyone puts aside their own issues/fears/anger to get the little sister free from such a bad place and remembers to support her and build her back up for a long time after.
I'm never not as good of a mom as I can be to my little girl, but I'm going to take inspiration and try to be just that much more full of trying to do it all right. Which isn't possilbe I know, but can't hurt either. Little kids are so vulnerable.
 
 
ibis the being
14:51 / 28.12.04
alas - yes, I wrote the post you quoted a couple months ago and I think I was still being willfully ignorant about L at that point. When we (dad, stepmom, stepgramma, me) talked to her this Christmas, I was amazed at her level of emotional & intellectual sophistication. Several times I had to check myself from saying something really psychologically complex, bc it felt like I was speaking to an adult. I'm sorry it got to the point of her having to beat us over the head with her need to escape mom's house, but I'm sure glad she did it now.

Vlad - I totally relate. My mom uses my old drawings to sort of fix me in time - about five years before the divorce - so she can pretend there's no huge rift between us. She even buys me clothes in the size I wore ten years ago, weirdly enough. She dug out all those old drawings to hang up in her new house, I guess like you said as an attempt to have control over the situation - ie, I don't get along with her at all, but having my artwork all over her house makes her feel like I do.

Lilly - if I've learned anything from L, it's that emotions affect kids far more than words or actions can. I think she would have been able to forgive and tolerate all the yelling and time-outs and harsh words, if only my mom had also shown her warmth and affection sometimes. I think it was the emotional neglect that hurt us all the worst.

Thanks everyone. Hopefully I will bump this thread in six months or a year's time with good news.
 
 
modern maenad
12:42 / 05.01.05
Ibis - I really really feel for you. My heart sank as I read through the thread. My biological mother is similarly screwed up. She has been officially diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizophenia for years, but absolutely fits a BPD diagnosis too. I also have a younger sister (same mother, different fathers) and have spent my entire life watching her being destroyed by our mother. Without going into too many details my sister is now in her early twenties, and in her fifth year of heroin addiction. I was lucky - my parents divorced when I was a baby, and I was brought up by my father and step-mother. I don't mean to scaremonger, but when it comes to your sister I would do everything I could to reduce her exposure to your mother while not actually breaking contact. Does your dad understand just how important his role currently is? Your sister is going to be overwhelmed by guilt and a raft of other feelings, and I suspect that he is the best person to reassure and guide her. Do you have any resposible, trustworthy grandparents, aunts or uncles who can get involved? I am not in any way an expert on this disorder or child psychology, and am speaking purely from my own and friends' experience. I would absolutely recommend to you a book called Understanding the Borderline Mother: Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable, and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson. Not only does Lawson catalogue symptomatic behaviours and help you to categorise your mother, she also includes some excellent practical advice on how to deal with a BPD mother (including guilt-free cutting of contact if necessary). This book was recommended to me by a friend in the mad mother camp, and over the years I have been able to pass it on to a couple of other people. If you cannot get hold of a copy I would be happy to lend it to you. It has certainly helped me no end. If you would like to talk at greater length, PM me (I also have a couple of friends who are always willing to share their own personal experiences/advise if you'd like to widen the net). Good luck.
 
 
40%
19:18 / 05.01.05
That's a startlingly good description of what it's like to be my mother's child, an apt metaphor for her particular brand of emotional abuse.

I wouldn’t give your mother too much credit. It sounds pretty garden variety to me. Nothing that takes any great talent. What does stagger me is that your sister is able to articulate it as a situation that is being imposed upon her, as an unwanted force from outside, rather than just ‘what life is like’. In some ways, if a parent’s behaviour is so obviously wrong that you couldn’t think otherwise, it may make it easier than if it’s very grey, seeming wrong in some ways and right in others.

And I couldn’t agree more about the importance of the Dad’s role here. My mother was like this in some ways (although nice in other ways, which made it harder to make sense of), and this did a lot of damage. But a lot of that could have been mitigated if my Dad had shown some kind of will in opposition to hers. He didn’t, re-inforcing the message that she had to be cow-towed to at all costs. So for your Dad (and everyone else involved) to convey the fact that your Mum's behaviour is not okay, and that you're not okay with it, is of immeasurable value in itself.

Hope it gets resolved, sounds awful for her.
 
 
diz
19:32 / 05.01.05
wow. my heart goes out to you and your sister. i wish i had something to say that would make this ugly situation more deal-able, but it's kind of one of those awkward, nasty things that doesn't suggest an easy resolution.

what makes me most confident is the fact that your sister seems to be remarkably clear-headed about what's going on. that's huge, and if she's in a place this young where she's able to recognize that mom's the problem and not her, she's already past the worst of what can be done to her.

i send all involved my love and support. i think it might be worth pushing the custody thing, but i would also expect that to be an awful experience, especially for your mother.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
06:35 / 06.01.05
Not to steal attention from Ibis' sister's predicament, but as a sort of followup, this is the email I sent my mother tonight to resolve the nursery school paintings (and other, less important items) issue:

I debated with myself over whether to write this email, and I probably will continue to do so even after I hit the “Send” button, if in fact I make it that far. As no doubt even you have realized by now, I am avoiding direct contact with you as much as possible, a situation I do not expect nor wish to change anytime in the foreseeable future. I am suspicious, for good reason, that you have created this particular situation in a desperate, transparent attempt to force me to break my radio silence, such is your overt need to manipulate and dominate any interaction in which you engage. Your history of similar gambits, most recently “successful” in your threat against my stuffed animal collection, makes any alternative read of the situation unlikely at best, and those alternatives reflect at least as poorly on your character as a person and as a mother. Whatever your motives, that the question even needed to be posed at all is gravely disappointing.

I grant you no approval nor condemnation of any action you may take with my belongings, such as they are. As ill-advised a trust as it might be, I am relying upon whatever exists of your better nature to do what is right. Neither choice can improve nor deteriorate the condition that exists between us. If you hoped otherwise, it was a vain hope. It has been explained to you what need happen for improvement in that condition to even be considered; that you have chosen not to follow that advice, repeatedly claim ignorance of it and use emotional blackmail tactics such as these as a pretext for communication only signify to me that relationships with your children and grandchild continue to be of minimal importance to you, and that my choice to disengage from you continues to be a wise one.

When next I hear from you, it will be with news of your proven commitment to self-betterment, or not at all.


Incidentally, amping up my skills with the English language is my subtle kick in the teeth at her, as she makes her living as a writer and editor but long ago admitted to me she thought I was even then a far better writer than her. Exquisite English = "go fuck yourself, you old douche."

/+,
 
 
modern maenad
18:29 / 06.01.05
To Ibis, Vladimir and any other children of madwomen, don't you just love Eminems 'Cleaning Out my Closet' (should really be posting this in 'Lyrics of my Life' thread, but, well, you know). Favourite section of lyrics below......

You're gettin older now and it's cold when your lonely
And Nathan's growin up so quick he's gonna know that your phony
And Hailie's gettin so big now; you should see her, she's beautiful
But you'll never see her - she won't even be at your funeral!
See what hurts me the most is you won't admit you was wrong
Bitch do your song - keep tellin yourself that you was a mom!
But how dare you try to take what you didn't help me to get
You selfish bitch; I hope you fuckin burn in hell for this shit
Remember when Ronnie died and you said you wished it was me?
Well guess what, I +AM+ dead - dead to you as can be!

Also, what about Tony Sopranos mother? Perfect BPD woman, and of course now Janice is going all fucked up mother too......horray for the catharsis of popular culture.....oh, and also, the mother in Igby Goes Down....

PS. Vladimir - excellent email.
 
 
ibis the being
00:30 / 09.01.05
I was out of town for a few days and just noticed that this thread has been continued.

maenad - thanks for your thoughts & the book recommendation. I will pick that up at some point. I've been reading one called Stop Walking on Eggshells - How to Cope When Someone You Care About Has [BPD], but pretty slowly, as it can be overwhelming. As the subtitle suggests, a lot of this particular book is about getting along with a BPD person, which I'm not sure is what I'm after re. my mother. So the one you've mentioned sounds more appropriate for me.

Without going into too many details my sister is now in her early twenties, and in her fifth year of heroin addiction. ... when it comes to your sister I would do everything I could to reduce her exposure to your mother while not actually breaking contact. Does your dad understand just how important his role currently is?

I don't know if he really does. He's very loving and supportive, but also disorganized and scatterbrained, and I just fear he's not getting the urgency of the situation. In addition, he has two lovely little girls with my stepmom that I think tend to distract his attention from the bad stuff with L.

This is probably a weird and possibly overreactive thing to say, but with my sister L. what I worry about, rather than future substance abuse, is her maybe self-destructing through emotional & sexual promiscuity as a young woman. It's this strange premonition I have about her - she started obsessing about boys at a very young age (6 or so) and I don't know, I get this sad feeling that she's going to chase after the love she's never gotten from our mom with man after man... and that my dad is so caring, yet sort of elusive in her life, may add into that psychological mix.

...But that's neither here nor there. Speculation at this point. Even so, I have my eye on her. I really don't think anyone else is going to help her. All the adults in our family, bless them, are pretty self-involved. Meanwhile year after year slips by with L living with our mother. Last time I talked to my dad (couple of days ago) he said something about how as L gets older she's not going to take any crap from Mom anymore - which is all well & good, but implies he's not going to sue for custody after all. I plan to urge him as much as possible, but I can't force him to do anything.
 
  
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