X-Men #162: 'Shen Xorn' revealed

Our Lady Has Left the Building

08:17 / 23.09.04

ONLY NICE THINGS

08:44 / 23.09.04

Well, thank God that's been sorted out. Magneto was the Juggernaut all along.

doctorbeck

11:21 / 23.09.04

man i was thinking you said She-Xorn

you know, blood transfusion to sexy female cousin leads to large bikina clad superbabe with a star for head

who may or may not turn out to have been maddi prior, back, cloned by mystique and out for revenge all along

dissapointed

a

12:18 / 23.09.04

Bollocks. Obviously this Xorn is just whoever it was that decided he wanted to take over the world in the guise of Magneto. While Austen writes X-Men like Stephen Hawking bobsleighs I think he's been given an impossible task with Claremont's apparent desire to bring back noble Magneto and the editors desire to bring back a character that never existed. No wonder he's going.

gridley

12:34 / 23.09.04

Man, the Xorn brothers clearly had an uncreative mother. Not only does she dress them both in the same mask, but she names one of them Xorn and the other one Shen Xorn. I think I'll write a comic about them growing up.

So, who's the Nightcrawler Jr. that's hanging with the heavies?

13:51 / 23.09.04

This is really making me want to read some proper Xorneto. Think I'll get round to buying the hardcovers this weekend.

13:51 / 23.09.04

SHE-XORN sounds wonderful.

And someone somewhere said that Xorn and Magneto and the whole kibabble-fuck therein had to do with a lame Yin/Yang situation between a star and a black hole. Looks like Kuan-Yin Xorn, the Magnetized one -that wasn't supposed to exist- is the star version, and Shen Xorn -the one that now exists for no reason- is the Black Hole one.

The mysterious enemy that exists among them all is HOPEFULLY HOPEFULLY a reference to the malignant collective consciousness of Sublime.

And the Nightcrawler version 2 is Nocturne, better rendered in her days with the Exiles. For more information google TJ Wagner, Nocturne. Her mama's the Scarlet Witch and yes, she's from an alternate future. She's got wacky powers and none of them is teleportation. But that probably won't stop Austen.

Benny the Ball

13:57 / 23.09.04

That was embaressing reading that drivle. So badly writen and no characterisation. Dreadful. Have things really got that bad at marvel?

14:07 / 23.09.04

Ah, I'm cool with the "Shen Xorn" stuff because I am sure that Peter Milligan is going to have a lot of fun with that character.

14:11 / 23.09.04

Chad, it's pretty obvious that the editors intend to bring back Sublime sometime later on.

The success of Grant's run has been it's greatest enemy - Xorn was popular, so Xorn is a "real" character now. "Here Comes Tomorrow" was popular, and now Sublime is the new Apocalypse.

14:13 / 23.09.04

Benny, that excerpt (and the previous issue) are pretty well above average for Austen. Honestly, that excerpt is fine by me - it's definitely not great by any means, but it's competant enough. There are some Austen issues which are totally unreadable.

14:17 / 23.09.04

"Here Comes Tomorrow" was popular? I know WE loved it, but everyone i forum with elsewhere would prefer to forget it, like all of Volume 3.

I agree that Sublime is a much better enemy than, for instance, The Brotherhood, but I can't see then even trying to communicate his form without constantly tying him down to body for yearly beat down. I'd prefer that Sublime stay in drug form for a while. Much more malignant that way.

The Falcon

14:27 / 23.09.04

So, Magneto-that-was-not-Magneto possessed the original Xorn's body (who is the brother of this 'Shen Xorn') and it just looked exactly like Magneto? But was actually Xorn?

I do feel sorry for fill-in writers on occasion.

Wait - no, I don't.

14:31 / 23.09.04

A smart cookie could save all this with a Weapon XVI, and that's all I'm gonna say on that

diz

14:39 / 23.09.04

Kuan-Yin Xorn? isn't Kuan-Yin a girl's name? he really was a Xornvestite.

so Xorneto was a transgendered mutant Buddha with a star for a head pretending to be Magneto pretending to be either himself or his brother Shen Xorn? and Shen Xorn is just the mutant Buddha part, except written badly?

what the fuck? seriously, what the fuck?

15:31 / 23.09.04

If you bring up that whole Weapon XI/XVI clusterfuck again I'll cry.

Claremont is apparently reaching for the mindwipe angle, so it seems Xorn I was really him, and this whole thing makes not an ounce of sense.

15:34 / 23.09.04

also while we have the Weapons thing on the table, WE3 = WEapon 3. Wanna bet he pitched that one to epic first?

16:16 / 23.09.04

Well no one wants Radiator to cry. But I ask you: how could the clusterfuck get worse? That's rhetorical, mind you... no need to dredge up past differences.

16:38 / 23.09.04

Come on though: someone prove to me WE3 ISN'T intented as a Weapon Plus mini. "Animal Weapon 3", "Animal Weapon 4"...

Haus of Mystery

17:08 / 23.09.04

National Lampoon's Animal Weapon House.

A classique.

17:16 / 23.09.04

In which Belushi drinks a bottle of Jacky D, shoots a crack team of soldiers in the heart, then finally crashes the super soldier graduation parade in his symbiotic UFO!

17:59 / 23.09.04

"Here Comes Tomorrow" was popular?

It sold well, sales spiked. Marc Silvestri.

I agree that Sublime is a much better enemy than, for instance, The Brotherhood

I disagree. Well, yeah, the Brotherhood is consistently written as a lame supervillain team, but if a writer were to stick to the core concept of a mutant terrorist organization, it'd be great. Conceptually it's one of the best possible adversaries for the X-Men. Sublime is okay, but too conceptual and far-reaching to really get a good visceral story going. It's a lot like The First Evil in Buffy - it's interesting, but not all that exciting in the end.

18:38 / 23.09.04

That's true. I forgot how much they hyped Silvestri's return.

And in regards to WE3, I think he MAY have suggested it to Epic, and used the idea as an aside in his exposition of the Weapon Plus programmes. But that makes Captain America a golden retriever. -which makes a lot of sense... I think you're on to the ultimate Marvel conspiracy Radiator.

Dan Fish - @Fish1k

19:23 / 23.09.04

Anyone read the Secret Origin of Rex: The Wonder Dog? Comedy Gold!

Keith, like a scientist

19:25 / 23.09.04

xorn crap = me confused.

i just don't even understand the basic gist of what they are trying to say.

FinderWolf

19:32 / 23.09.04

>> Ah, I'm cool with the "Shen Xorn" stuff because I am sure that Peter Milligan is going to have a lot of fun with that character.

I feel Flux has a good point here. Milligan getting to write Xorn just might outweigh all this other stupid crap.

Quimper

19:58 / 23.09.04

I will say that while this seems to be chock full of contradictions and oversights and plain bad storytelling, we haven't seen the full explanation yet.

To me, a far greater tragedy is that Black Tom Cassidy is now a killer tree. He's a tree! Seriously, he's an evil tree.

20:08 / 23.09.04

And it's only a matter of time before the Ents of the Marvel Universe come to claim him as one of their own. Hell, Marvel Treebeard is probably his father. And since Black Tom is an "evil" son, Marvel Treebeard gets to be "good".

Quimper

20:34 / 23.09.04

Just announced: Black Tom action figure! Comes with Pip the Troll and Puck of Alpha Flight riding his head!