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They're making a movie about my hero!

 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:02 / 22.09.04
I saw a preview for this last night, and at first I was horrified. Alexander the Great is the closest thing I have to a hero, and I don't want to see his life made into a cliched, trite, melodramatic hour-and-a-half piece of slime. It would hurt me. I complained to my girlfriend and gave her a ten minute lecture on Alexander's life and how freakin' awesome he is and how much it would suck if Hollywood fucked up his reputation. She told me to shut up already, that I didn't know that it is going to suck, and hey, it's got Angelina Jolie and elephants in it.

Which is heartening. I'll bet she plays Olympias, Alexander's momma, which would be sweet as hell. Maybe this will be good.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
21:37 / 22.09.04
No, she's doing the voice for Bucephalus.
 
 
Ganesh
22:23 / 22.09.04
Assuming this'd be the hunky Hollywood hetero Alexander the Great, just as we've enjoyed the hunky Hollywood hetero Achilles, John Nash and Cole Porter. Or am I being overly cynical?
 
 
at the scarwash
23:56 / 22.09.04
Know and shake with the knowledge that the truth is much worse than you've imagined. Oliver Stone is directing this. I can't wait to see how he slips fake-ass Native American spirituality in this time.

But on the bright side (or whatever), according to an article in the NY TImes a few years back, it will not render Alexander's polymorphous sexuality into shiny Hollywood hetero hero-dom.
 
 
Ganesh
11:26 / 23.09.04
I'll believe it when I see it.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:34 / 23.09.04
Here's the main cast:

Alexander: Colin Farrell

Ptolemy I: Sir Anthony Hopkins

Olympias: Angelina Jolie

King Philip II: Val Kilmer

Hephaestion: Jared Leto

Roxane: Rosario Dawson

Cassander: Jonathan Rhys-Meyers

Antiginous: Ian Beattie

Young Ptolemy: Elliot Cowan

Craterus: Rory McCann

Young Alexander : Connor Paolo


Maybe this won't be so bad. So far my only casting complaint is Jared Leto as Hephaestion. I just don't see him being as cool as I've always imagined Alexander's best friend/righthand man/lover to be.

I wonder who's playing Xerxes?
 
 
at the scarwash
19:30 / 23.09.04
NY Times, September 1 2004: " A Hopeless Idea for a Film About Alexander Is Finally Successful." An interview with producer Thomas Schühly.

In the end, though, it was the director's call, and Mr. Schühly was forced, at times grudgingly, to defer. Mr. Stone tackles Alexander's homosexuality, for example; Mr. Schühly would have played it down. Mr. Stone perceives his hero's struggle in Freudian terms; Mr. Schühly said, "There's no room for 19th-century Viennese psychoanalysis in this film."

Just wanted to cite my sources on that. Here's a link to the full text.
 
 
Triplets
01:34 / 24.09.04
Well, does Alexander have to be gay?
 
 
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02:59 / 24.09.04
Let's put it this way. Achilles and Patroclus do not have to be gay. There are multiple readings of the text in that case, and that was certainly not the biggest textual error in a movie to which textual error was a term which could not rationally be applied (since "text" was apparently something they'd never heard of). But as I understand it, most ancient and modern scholars are more or less in agreement that Alexander had sex with one or more male humans. In this society, we identify that with something we call "homosexuality", or "being gay". That concept the way we understand it is only tentatively applicable to ancient Greece. If you're asking if Alexander has to have some kind of sexual feelings towards another male human, then I'd say yes, to be true to any kind of historical model, he does. If you're asking if he has to hang out at gay bars, have impeccable fashion sense, and join a Pride parade, I'd say probably not.

I'm not looking forward to this either. Maybe I will actually get the Classics department to have an outing to see it, however, which would make it all worthwhile somehow. Mainly because my faculty advisor has the most amazingly contagious laughter.
 
 
Ganesh
08:33 / 24.09.04
Alexander doesn't have to be "gay", no, but it'd be nice if he wasn't screamingly heterosexual in the conventional Hollywood ladee-love-interests-aplenty sense.
 
 
Triplets
19:37 / 24.09.04
Would it be alright if there was homoerotic subtext on par with an 80s action movie?
 
 
Ganesh
20:20 / 24.09.04
"Alright" in what sense? For me? Given what's known about Alexander's tastes, I guess it depends on the ratio of homoerotic subtext to frankly-invented heterolurveaction. So, basically, no.
 
  
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