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I want my mind blown, regularly.

 
  

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I'm Rick Jones, bitch
09:35 / 22.09.04
Hmmmmm. I dunno, fuckface was basically arseface and hearing Fury swear like a trooper didn't seem to click - "the next peice of cockcheese that tells me to stop smoking is dead" is a horrible fucking line. Nick's a grizzled bastard but it just sounds wrong to hear the character say that. Haha Garth you wrote preacher very funny we get it. And he ripped the end off Rambo. And the MAX Punisher is shit.

I am now talking myself out of liking Garth.

Has anyone recommended sandman yet? Because it's a load of goth prose wank and it thinks it's better than it actualy is, so don't read that.
 
 
NezZ the 2nd
09:40 / 22.09.04
The Coffin - Excellent B+W series by Mike Huddleston and Phil Hester, currently doin the also excellent Deep Sleeper.

Sin city - any of them. They totally play with your perception of a black and white comic.

Akira - as mentioned earlier, is an epic story with beautiful artwork. If you live in the UK you can get some of the £25 books from The Works for £3.99. A major annoyance to myself after spending £150 on the whole series hehe.

I nearly forgot - LUCIFER - people may dislike Sandman, but I haven't read any of Sandman, and Lucifer is a twisting and satisfying read.
 
 
sleazenation
09:41 / 22.09.04
Haus said

whereas none of his recommendations so far have been of, for example, reality-based stuff

To which I say you obviously haven't read Persepolis, which I recommended further up page one - the autobiography of a girl growing up in revolutionary Iran - but, as I noted at the time, Jack may well not be ready for that yet...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:49 / 22.09.04
None of Jack Frostie's recommendations, you big silly.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:54 / 22.09.04
Fury's swearing and swaggering would be rubbish and Ennis-by-numbers if it wasn't for the way the story ends: one of the biggest problems with Ennis is that he's half in love with the idea of the tough bastard who gets shit done, even though a (sometimes tiny) part of him know that this is bullshit and he's actually romanticising terrible, destructive, obnoxious behaviour. In Fury, he follows that awareness to its logical conclusion for once. I would say more, but I'd rather avoid spoilers in this kind of thread.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
10:01 / 22.09.04
you've a very valid point, I just find the unintentional (?) self-parody really fucking annoying.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:21 / 22.09.04
I prefer sexy-super-spy-steranko Fury. More fun. Plus Ennis' version put the kibosh on Clooney starring in a film version of Ol' Nick. Crying shame (no irony).
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:00 / 22.09.04
It's obvious that what he really needs to read is Dan Clowes' "Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron". One of the fucking weirdest things that's been printed onto paper.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:06 / 22.09.04
Johnny The Homicidal Maniac, by Jhonen Vasquez. It's perhaps a bit late for this to have a moral or anything, but I'd highly recommend it anyway. While taking NO legal responsibility for anything that might subsequently occur, obviously.

Apart from that though, The Enigma by Peter Milligan and Duncan F is, if you can still find it, really an excellent waste of a couple of hours. Your mind will be sent, it will be thoroughly sent.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:25 / 22.09.04
Actually, the Enigma may very possibly make you gay. You'll have to work out for yourself whether that is a good thing or not...
 
 
diz
13:32 / 22.09.04
Johnny The Homicidal Maniac, by Jhonen Vasquez. It's perhaps a bit late for this to have a moral or anything, but I'd highly recommend it anyway. While taking NO legal responsibility for anything that might subsequently occur, obviously

JTHM is a fucking trip and a half. i was kind of expecting just the amusing splatterpunk stuff, but all the weird musings of his "guides" like Nailbunny and the rest pushed the whole thing in a very weird direction.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:53 / 22.09.04
Actually The Enigma may very possibly make you gay

Again, I take no legal responsibility. If Jack, in future times, literally turns into a Killer Queen, then it's nothing to do with me, y'know ?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:24 / 22.09.04
'Mature Readers' Comics Made Me Gay!

Daily Mail headline, cover-dated Sep23rd 2005

For real mind-blowing comics, try Liefield's incredible early 90's Youngblood run.

MINDBLOWING!
 
 
sleazenation
15:14 / 22.09.04
This thread kind of reminds me of the old thread in the magick forum about one guy who was looking for a 'master' to show him how to throw fireballs...
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:24 / 22.09.04
The boy who is Fly who is Arms-house is getting increasingly Henry Higgins.
Can I just advise against reading a whole book of Maakies in one go? Creepy sea shanty dreams.
 
 
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15:50 / 22.09.04
Jack, what did you *find* mind-blowing about the stuff you've read so far, and would you like your mind to be blown in a similar or different fashion?

This is very hard to answer but i'll have a go.

I want to find any graphic novels that feel like punk rock on acid. A sort of not give a fuck vibe to them, much like Spider Jerusalem really, (i'm getting closer to going through all Transmet novels, it's about fucking time.) but also with the information overload that The Invisibles seemed to have. Like there's so much there that you read upto a point and then your brain get's so overloaded that it feels like your floating. I'm sure i went into an ecsatic state reading The Invisibles and the story was only in third gear or something. Something that really fucks with your head before the ride starts. Jack Frost and King Mob ripping apart any notions that comics where nice things just for kids was a big factor last time around. And please, stop worrying about me being some type of dribbling mentalist or something, it's really not that bad. Suggest what you think would send the crazy loon your imagining me as over the edge. Something that seems to blend science, magick, religion, and philosophy like The Invisibles did too, that was really important factor, but on acid, full of shocks and coming out of the pages into real life aswell.

Basically any novels that feel like Sex Pistols meets The Orb meets Massive Attack meets Primal Scream, whilst at the same time getting both sides of the brain tripping in unison.

There's already far more here than i imagined there would be. I thought i'd see about ten posts at best with 25-30 novels suggested. Maybe this desription is a bit late, (this should have been the first post really.) how can there be loads more? Some of the stuff suggested will do the trick anyway, it has to.
 
 
_Boboss
16:00 / 22.09.04
'Basically any novels that feel like Sex Pistols meets The Orb meets Massive Attack meets Primal Scream, whilst at the same time getting both sides of the brain tripping in unison.'

vintage, vintage fireman.

me and macgyver have given you the best recommendations. don't listen to anyone else. just go for pat mills, he's the comic writer you've been looking for.
 
 
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16:04 / 22.09.04
Yeah i missed The Prodigy from that aswell, i truly deserve the day that i die.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:37 / 22.09.04
Something that seems to blend science, magick, religion, and philosophy like The Invisibles did too

Have you considered watching "The Matrix"?

I think they're right. Pat Mills may be the way forward. Why not try his excellent series "Finn"?
 
 
EvskiG
19:38 / 22.09.04
You really want your mind blown?

Really?

Renee French, Marbles in My Underpants.

Jim Woodring, The Book of Jim.

Mike Diana, The Worst of Boiled Angel.

Renee French's work is very, very disturbing. Jim Woodring's work is dreamy and bizarre. And Mike Diana's work is almost certainly illegal where you live. Really.
 
 
sleazenation
20:28 / 22.09.04
Have you considered watching "The Matrix"?

And The Matrix Warrior?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
20:37 / 22.09.04
The first "Yummy Fur" GN is still the most disturbing thing I have ever read. There is literally no way to describe it other than it reads like a VERY sick dream of the late 80's. I just wish it would have gotten finsihed.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:47 / 22.09.04
...anything by Joe Sacco!
 
 
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21:02 / 22.09.04
Thanks again, i can't even imagine the person i'd be if i actually got around to reading all of these, but i'll try and track down whatever i can.

Did anyone ever tell you people how cool you are?
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
03:39 / 23.09.04
The point of contention, as I understand it, may be in what Jack means by "mind-blowing." Plenty of gorefest books have been recommended, but save for the squeamish that's not terribly mindblowing; if you're above the age of consent and read comics it's a good bet you've seen a graphical representation of a human evisceration or twelve. On the other hand, I'd say any work that evokes a sense of gnosis or otherwise existential epiphany is probably fair game. That's the interpretation I ran with. I didn't list my favorites, though there's some overlap, of course. A couple other series/books I think are appropriate:

Paul Auster, Paul Karasik & Dave Mazzuchelli's City of Glass, which has already been disparaged, is likely misunderstood as just an adaptation of Don Quixote into a modern, domestic context. What's overlooked is that Don Quixote is itself a meditation on the boundaries between fiction and reality. City of Glass does it one better by dissolving the visual language of the comic form in a way that supplements the source text into a more synaesthetic experience, at times separating characters from their words while at others making them prisoners of them, sometimes literally. It's a commentary on both the liberating and entrapping powers of language, and what happens to fictional characters after their stories are over.

Someone already mentioned Phil Hester & Mike Huddleston's The Coffin, and I recommend their sophomore collaboration Deep Sleeper, which began publication at Oni and just finished up through Image. Again, fiction begins to intrude into reality, and a man who's practically sleep-walked through life suddenly finds himself very much awake but unable to actually wake up. In this story characters are trapped less by the semantics of their lives and more by their lives themselves. In the end, it asks whether it's better to live so consciously that you attain a sort of Christhood, or to sublimate enough to carry on the business of life.

Carla Speed McNeill's Finder is definitely one of those series that shows up on most of my lists, and for good reason: the art is wonderful, the characters are fully-fleshed, the world it inhabits is both wondrous and "real," and the ideas it plays with are broadly explored. In a recent storyline, a character named Magri White has become something of a human ISP, a virtual world made up of his rich internal fantasy life, that is so vivid that he's become less of a person than corporate property. Then another facet of his personality, an imaginary brother he'd long forgotten, begins dismembering vistors to this world, which does unpleasant damage to their actual neural pathways. Magri is desperate to rediscover who he is as an individual and make his dreams his own again, but forces out of his control put the kibosh on that. In this storyline the main protagonist of the series, Jaeger, is the image of Magri's imaginary brother, a connection to which has not yet been explained, and seeing as McNeill's comics hero is Dave Sim it may not be for quite some time yet.

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