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07:04 / 27.01.02

Basically, I believe that everybody has read the article in New Scientist (linked to from the Laboratory forum) about how visualising yourself exercising actually exercises you. But it must be pointed out that visualising exercising takes as much time as exercising.

Until you realize that when you dream your perception of time changes. You can fit in more visualizations and thoughts into that type of dream-time.

Uh.. to clarify...

One, taking one's cue from dreams, can alter one's perception of time.

So basically figure out how to alter your perception of time so you can fit 3 hours of exercise and/or whatever into 3 seconds of "real-time".

I'm not going to tell you how. You must figure it out by yourself.

Actually I have no idea how to alter time. But somebody knows... I'M SURE OF IT!

Pureaka!

13:48 / 27.01.02

What if you doubled up? What if while doing jumping-jacks you visualized yourself doing squats?

-Jesse

01:44 / 28.01.02

There are some altered states of conscience (those called by Castaneda Increased attention") in which time flows subjectively faster. But I don't think those states can be easily used for creative visualization. It would be a matter of trying.

11:53 / 28.01.02

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So this is what you posted at the hotel?

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13:32 / 28.01.02

I always felt that time WAS perception based anyway. The same task, in the same kind of mood, can feel like taking entirely different lengths of time.

The problem appears to be that the passage of time can be subjective.

Assuming that the period of Now to Then is not even, then the only tool you have is your gut. Fine tuning you perception so it can see the weft and warp of time maybe done be altering your perception and/or visualistion, but how does that help?

13:56 / 28.01.02

Well, seeing as how muscle growth is an unconscious activity couldn't you just bypass the conscious mind with say a sigil and for get about it?

18:36 / 28.01.02

''Actually I have no idea how to alter time. But somebody knows... I'M SURE OF IT!''

isn't there a egregore created by and documented by those at chaosmatrix.com that supposedly messes with time?

18:41 / 28.01.02

I do this sometimes, meditating and then visualizing running through forms. Its harder than it sounds, and often takes longer than actually physically doing the forms would. At least, it SEEMS longer. Perception of time may be all kinds of off on this one.

I like the idea of sigilizing exercise for muscle growth. That's devious

22:30 / 28.01.02

I had tought of using runes to optimize my health, and I had used pomse /kata/form visualization to increase coordination and poresicion of movements... but increasing muscle through the combination of runes and visualization...

Sounds too good to be true

01:30 / 29.01.02

Yes, I did post this at the hotel because I have an 8 track mind (as opposed to a one track mind which really worsens the audio quality. Now if you run it through an electric filter you'll get dirty aural water but that's not my fault, is it?)

There's a very easy reason why you can't use a sigil or Fotemacus....

Because you need to slow down time AT WILL.

When will a sigil slow down time?

And Fotemacus doesn't respond to everybody's command because, as we all know by now, he's either a snotty egregore not responding to all my requests or he's too busy fighting with Chronos for the proper domination of time and a feature movie starring Tom Arnold.

We need some visualization exercise to slow down time.

Like, oh I don't know, sitting in fron of an analog clock watching the seconds hand tick down the time beats away, visualizing it while at the same time realizing that the clock represents time (or at least the concept of time as it exists in the mind of popular culture. No need to get all philosophical and Dr. Who-like. I need a scarf. A long one.) and visualizing the seconds hand slowing down and slowing down with surrounding noise slowing down, growing deeper and deeper in pitch, the world slowly coming to a standstill,

and doing all this while keeping your eye on the clock until the seconds hand does move slower because your perception of time has changed which makes you quicker, faster, and smarter (okay, okay. I'm kidding about the part about you being smarter. Only if I trepan you will that happen.) And so now you can do deep visualization about you exercising your body while also doing advanced yoga meditation and [sychokinesis and desighning your own version of Doom to play in oyur head when bored (you know, to expand that multi-awareness which needs to be present in your mind so you CAN whistle while you're pissing and not getting any urine on you. There's always a first time for everything. Why not try now? MOO.)

And maybe that's how it all works.

Like a mechanical chaos monkey playing the symbals of death in a circus band... A magickal circus band. Made out of rubber.

16:09 / 29.01.02

...but haven't you also found...in context to dreaming...that the period of time the actual process takes place, while being very short, doesn't relate to the length of the dream. The time the dream takes in your mind is usually close to or less than the amount of time you sleep. Sort of like movie viewing, for example...it can cover years or millenia, but takes place in usually no more then two hours.

...as far as form,etc. visualization if not a direct link to physical coordination always helped me maintain a better link to my movement...a better understanding of the the whys and wherefores...

16:12 / 29.01.02

...to clarify...it seems that this is very compression or efficiency related...whether getting more done in less or no time...any sigils for that out there?

17:50 / 29.01.02

No, dream-time IS actually longer than real-time.

First of all, I remember my dreams pretty well and I had dreams which lasted for hours when, in real life, I had only slept for ten minutes.

Plus, a lot of times in deep creative visualization people spend whole days "OUT THERE" (or "IN THERE") while, in real-time, they have been away for only half an hour or so.

This effect is also reported in deeeeeeeeeeep hypnotic trances which become journeys through the conciousness/astral worlds/whatever the place is.

14:09 / 30.01.02

I read somewhere about experiments with people adept in lucid dreaming where the subject signaled the time to the observer.

They made specific eyemovements after they fhought a certain amount of time had passed in their dreams, their time differed very little from the observers, about as much as estimating of time in waking life.

I do agree that in, what I call shamanic dreamspace time can be altered and stopped completely, often according to the will of the inhabitants. However that for me is a whole different sort of dreamscape, although I can imagine that it is possible to visit it while dreaming as well.

17:34 / 30.01.02

The obvious reply:

How could the lucid dreamers move their eyes while dremaing? What about REM?

And if they could move their eyes while in the dreamstate then they had to be in "real-time" in order to control the physical body.