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Vladmir Putin: Dictator?

 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
21:32 / 14.09.04
Vladmir Putin is at it again. What do you guys think about the daddy-statification of Mother Russia?
 
 
ibis the being
23:52 / 14.09.04
Well, I was too lazy to register for the Washington Post on that link, but from what I understand Putin's not exactly directly appointing governors, but rather appointing a nominee which is then voted on by Parliament. Am I correct? It may be a minor distinction, but I thought I'd point it out for the thread's sake.

I think also, it's worth explaining in case anyone else doesn't want to log on to the Post, that this action is one of Putin's reactions to the school hostage/shootout in Beslan, and more generally to the Chechnya situation, and even more generally to "The War on Terrorism." Like Bush in the US, Putin has also proposed overhauling Russia's security and intelligence agencies, and additionally instituting a color-coded alert system like the one we have in the US.

Now, to offer my opinion on the question - Dictator? Well, I definitely think it's a step in the wrong direction - further centralizing Russian government. Particularly because he's bringing more power to a govt. that I don't necessarily see as ruling the nation well. I'm not terribly educated on Russian current events, but it seems to me that Putin has, overall, badly handled the situation with Chechnya and the "rebels," and I think this response to the Beslan debacle, if you'll bear with my comparison, is somewhat like Bush's preemptive war policies in response to 911. Only in that, rather than demonstrating some kind of more sophisticated approach to quelling terrorism, both leaders favor a heavy hammer that may in fact increase tension (and therefore possible terrorism).
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
00:03 / 15.09.04
Thing is, he's been doing it from the start. He's eliminated the free press and government opposition. Thats pretty nasty, ifn's you ask me.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:34 / 15.09.04
It's not unthinkable that Russia - which is in a state of total chaos after the Gorby-era carpetbagging and the ludicrous IMF-sponsored rush to brigand-crony Capitalism - is in need of a hard leader. If you're going to take on the entrenched sultans of Russian life, you'll be wanting some hard bastards and a lot of guns, plus some favourable laws.

Putin, however, would not have been my choice for the role. He's a former hardline KGB sonuvabitch with all the trappings thereof. During the War On Terror, though, Russia and her top dog have become unimpeachable: Putin has parlayed Chechnya into his own personal Afghanistan.
 
 
Helmschmied
14:12 / 15.09.04
To quote a Chechen warlord "the problem with Putin is he is a very small man and his heart is too close to his asshole"

Sorry but I finally found an excuse to use that quote.
 
 
sleazenation
21:34 / 15.09.04
Celibate Mink - what do you mean when you say During the War On Terror, though, Russia and her top dog have become unimpeachable: Putin has parlayed Chechnya into his own personal Afghanistan.

Do you mean that Russia has invested the Chechen conflict with a sense of self-righteousness similar to that which America has imposed upon the war in Afghanistan or that Putin has turned Chechnia into an effectively ungovernable region filled with various warlords constantly vying for power. Of course you could mean both...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:24 / 16.09.04
Primarily the first. Putin has performed a remarkable piece of political Judo. On the one hand, the War On Terror is used to justify his conduct on Chechnya. On the other, Chechnya is his contribution to that war and his point of confluence with the U.S.. As a bonus, he gets to pursue a Russian tradition of subjugating the unruly Islamic Caucasus.

But yes, he has also created a permanent Zone Of Fuckup - but for him, I'm not sure that's a downside. Perpetual war for perpetual peace, anyone?
 
 
diz
15:05 / 16.09.04
Russia - which is in a state of total chaos after the Gorby-era carpetbagging and the ludicrous IMF-sponsored rush to brigand-crony Capitalism

i love all the crap we hear constantly in the US about how we "won" the Cold War. because, clearly, having an increasingly-dictatorial Russia which is being run into the ground by the mob and crony capitalists, so that it's constantly on the verge of economic collapse and mired in a very nasty conflict in Chechnya, is somehow better for the world and or even the US than having a stable Soviet government working through a slow transition to global capitalism (see also: China). because keeping track of nukes and keeping Eastern Europe and Central Asia out of an economic catastrophe aren't at all important - all that's important is that the Commies are gone.

i'm not even going to touch the massive debt we ran up on Reagan's watch trying to spend the Soviets into submission.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
22:02 / 22.09.04
Dictator? Not exactly. But a very good politician, that's for sure - as long as one doesn't define politician as "someone who works for the good of a whole bunch of people."

Plus he's the sexiest world leader around at the moment. That's actually what I wanted to say. Such charisma.
 
 
Jester
13:37 / 27.09.04
"Dictator? Not exactly. But a very good politician, that's for sure - as long as one doesn't define politician as "someone who works for the good of a whole bunch of people.""

Well, I would go along with the Dictatorship line, mostly because - does any one remember the last Russian election, where, if I am remembering right, he basically didn't have an opposition at all?

That, along with drugging journalists who are reporting bad news on the Belsan thing, sounds... well... like a big step backwards at the very, very least.

Also, I don't buy this 'it's ok that Putin's a bastard because Russia needs a strong leader' argument. Yeah, things suck, but maybe Russia needs a strong-but-reforming-heart-in-vaguely-the-right-place leader, instead.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
00:23 / 28.09.04
I don't believe in the "hard leader" argument, it's awfully reactionary.

Financial Times. September 22 2004

Mr Kristol is wrong to place the Russia of Vladimir Putin among the forces of civilisation, and is mistaken in regarding Russia as a valuable ally in the struggle ahead. He misunderstands the war against terror. He is misleading in his comparison between the war against the jihadis and that waged against the totalitarian states of the mid-20th century. He is misguided in downplaying the role of diplomacy. He is, in short, displaying an attitude and propounding a strategy that is more likely to increase than reduce the dangers we confront. Let us start with Russia's onslaught on Chechnya. In the wars fought under Boris Yeltsin and Mr Putin, some estimates put the number of Chechens dead at 250,000, while the population of Chechnya is thought to have fallen from 1.25m to some 500,000. Who can seriously consider a state prepared to wage so murderous a war against its own citizens an ally in the struggle against genocidal barbarism, rather than a perpetrator?

WIN #17-04 dtd 24 May 2004

RUSSIAN IMPRISONED AFTER NEGLECTING WIFE’S ADVICE -- On 19 May, Mikhail Trepashkin began a four-year sentence in a penal colony after a military court convicted him of divulging state secrets and the illegal possession of ammunition. A veteran of the KGB, Trepashkin said its successor the FSB (Federal Security Service) fabricated evidence to prevent him from exposing its involvement in the bombing of apartment houses in Moscow and elsewhere in 1999 that took more than 200 lives. Trepashkin's wife, Tatiana, called the verdict a sham, but added her husband should have realized that his probing would have dire consequences, the Daily Telegraph (London) reported on 20 May.

Vladimir Putin, head of the FSB until August 1999, blamed the bombings on Chechen separatists. The following year he won a presidential election and Moscow launched its second Chechen war that continues to the present. (The first war was from 1994 to 1996.)

There has long been speculation among Kremlin watchers that the bombings were provocations carried out by the authorities to rally the public around Putin and crushing the Chechen uprising.

Last fall, Trepashkin was preparing to present his findings in the case of two Chechen militants accused of three of the bombings when he was pulled over a week before their trial and accused of illegally possessing a handgun said to have been found in his car. He has been in jail ever since, with additional charges of divulging state secrets to British intelligence to discredit the FSB and illegal possession of ammunition at his home. A decision on the handgun charge was expected this summer. Trepashkin insists police planted the gun. "I'm absolutely certain that this was the system taking revenge on him," said Valentin Gefter, a member of a parliamentary commission and director of the Moscow-based Human Rights Institute. "It's a shame that our courts cannot act independently."

The State Department has said the Trepashkin case raised concerns about the undue influence of the FSB and arbitrary use of the judicial system.

In a curious incident related to the bombings, police in Ryazan, 120 miles southeast of Moscow, discovered large sacks of what they said were explosives and a detonator in the basement of an apartment house in September 1999. The FSB acknowledged placing the sacks there but said they contained sugar and had been put there as part of a civil defense exercise.


Daily Telegraph. 13/03/2004

Instead a growing body of proof has surfaced that links the bombings, and the Ryazan incident in particular, to the FSB - the revamped KGB. Independent investigators, including several MPs, who have sought to look into the case have been intimidated, arrested or beaten.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
16:19 / 17.10.04
Anna Politkovskaya has a written a book called Putin's Russia
Independent 15 October 2004
The return of the Soviet system with the consolidation of Putin's power is obvious.


The GuardianThursday September 9, 2004
The horror of Beslan was made still worse by the intimidation of Russia's servile media
 
  
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