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ghadis
23:42 / 24.01.02
Astral Projection or Out of Body Experiences

I've been working on this a lot recently and was wondering of anyone had any similar experiences/ideas...

9mths or so ago i went throgh a spate of Sleep Paralysis...again...i often get this...so i started working on the idea that through this state i could get to a vivid OBE...heres what i've been doing..

1: Banishing Ritual...(sleep paralysis brings on a multitude of scary unamable paranoia beasties and it helps to get the majority of them out the way)

2: Get comfortable...(Replicating the ideal cirumstances when sleep paralysis happens...For me it's in the afternoon when sleep is not needed...fully clothed and quite hot/stuffy)

3: Sigil... Go to sleep with either a visual or verbal sigil in your head...

I've found that after drifting off you can, by using the sigil, bring yourself to a lucid dream state and then 'wake up' into a sleep paralysis state...

I havn't yet been able to keep myself lucid in the dream...as soon as i hit the sigil i 'wake up'...

Once into the 'paralysis' state things start getting scary...it's a state of mind that your brain isn't too fond of....Scary shit happens and it took quite a while for me to get past that barrier...i've found the banishing helps a lot but i've always had to do another banishing whilst i'm there to get rid of any other shit hanging about ...

Once thats all gone i'm left with a pretty tranquil body that can't move...I can see the room in a pretty lucid way...Heres where i have problems...I've managed to lift my 'astral' torso up into a sitting up position...I've managed to lift my (astral) arm up in the air where i can see it and i can turn my (astral) head...BUT i havn't been able to totally drag the WHOLE astal body of me away from my physical...It's always tied at some point...

All this is going well i think...But im not getting any further... I dipped into a book on Astral Projection the other day which had a bit on sleep paralysis in which the writer was saying that many people come to this from a sleep paralysis perspective and they always get stuck at the same bit...it's the wrong way to go about it apparently...so any ideas would be most appreciated...

[ 25-01-2002: Message edited by: Wicca Wakes My Mum ]
 
 
Papess
02:02 / 25.01.02
Is it at the waist area that you are tied? This is very interesting. As I understand, the naval is where our will lies and is also the place where the lines of the world pass through. If you try to bring your consciousness or awarness to your Sacral Centre or just above it you may overcome this. It may even happen that it takes you vey quickly to another point.
It could be an energy blockage around the Sacral Centre but that type of clearing would take a little soul searching. One could have problems in that area if they were perhaps sexually abused or raped. Even sometimes a simple UTI (urinary tract infection) can be an obstacle. I don't want to pry any further.
It does sound like you are doing well. I hope this is helpful and your practice improves further. Good Luck!

~May Tricks
 
 
cusm
02:06 / 25.01.02
Interesting. I've suspected sleep paralysis could be used in this way for astral projection, but have never done the work to try it like you have. Its always scared the willies out of me

You see, it seems to me that using paralysis to project brings about the type of projection where your body stops as if it were dead until you return. I suspect this, as I find I have a hard time breathing during it, or that I find myself gasping for breath as if I was just not breathing for a bit upon return from it. That, and when I used to slip into it uncontrollably as a child, it always came with a loud thrumming in my ears of my heartbeat as I started to slip into it.

So as a result, prefer to use the lucid dreaming method when I muck with astral. But I'm sure there's something worth study in the paralysis approach.
 
 
Papess
10:13 / 25.01.02
Cusm...I hadn't thought of that part of sleep paralysis. It was too similar to my out of body experiences, or vice versa. Projecting myself out into my room occured for me when I finally could see ALL my body, right down to my toes. I had a point where I was stuck too, at a few different spots. The first spot I got stuck in was my whole body! The next spot was the same centre as WWMM is having trouble with. The continual practice and placing awareness overcame my hurdles. The visualization of my entirre body was very helpful also.
I think the way I moved from sleep paralysis to an OOBE was to relax when I awoke in dreaming. My body was still asleep but my mind, awake...so, I used the tool of reason to trick my mind and then went on to sowly blow it away! This is how I did things anyway. I am not so practiced now because I have a youngster that wakes me up every 3 or 4 hours and it is hard to get a good depth in my sleep. Oh well, they grow up!

~May Tricks
 
 
ghadis
10:48 / 25.01.02
May... quote:Is it at the waist area that you are tied? This is very interesting. As I understand, the naval is where our will lies and is also the place where the lines of the world pass through.

Yes it's definatley seems to be the waist area that 'ties' me to the physical. The idea of the navel being the source of the will makes a lot of sense. Working on that area i proberly a good way to go...

cusm... quote: That, and when I used to slip into it uncontrollably as a child, it always came with a loud thrumming in my ears of my heartbeat as I started to slip into it.

Thats interesting. I started this thread last night after talking about it a bit with Bill Posters over a beer or two. The thrumming in the ears was something he described. It's not something i've experienced althogh that and the diffulcuty breathing ties in with the sense of overiding fear and panic that comes with SP.
 
 
cusm
13:53 / 25.01.02
What about contact with extra-planars? I hear this is common as well. The last few times I've gone SP in recent years were while living in older buildings that were mildly to not so mildly haunted, and veil worn thin in general from magical activity by previous (and current ) tenants. I woke several times in SP to see spirits nearby, the classic "side of the bed" or "hovering above me" alien abductee setting. Once I was alone, and experimented a bit on opening myself to vision in that state, and had strikingly potent results. Like, seeing another place clearly through a hole in reality kind of potent.

Any of this sort of thing familiar? I must say, this discussion has certainly revived my interest in the SP state again.
 
 
ghadis
14:48 / 25.01.02
Yes the spooky demons/alien/little monkey things scenario is something i've come across almost every time i've done these workings. Like i said before a Banishing before hand seems to cut down their numbers although i've often had to banish again during the SP. I quite enjoy this and the last few times i've purposely not banished before had in order to have more of a 'ruck' during SP. Heh.

To be honest i hadn't thought of these things as anything other than my minds defence system. I often come across this kind of thing in other dream stuff. The psycic censer comes into play and warns you to sling yer hook . This often takes the form of a vulture for me (or a whole flock of them) which i've assigned all sorts of symbolism to.

The idea there may be external influences is very interesting.

2 questions...

Anyone know the name of a book by Susan Blackmore on SP and abduction scenarios?

and

Anyone know the collective noun for vultures?
I'm sure it's not flock
 
 
ill tonic
09:02 / 26.01.02
Ahhh, this is very familiar territory for me - an obsession, actually ... and yes, the hypnogogic state (that 30 second window between being awake and asleep) is the doorway to astral travel ---

I've experienced everything you have all related here and have found that the only way I can get astral from this state is to completely relax when the panic sets in -- which is a damn hard thing to do. (nothing puts more fear into you then a succubus looming over you when you're in a state of paralysis) If you can keep yourself from fighting to wake up and just relax - all your demons will wither away and (usually)you'll go astral....

That thrumming (buzzing or humming) sound you hear (which is sometimes accompanied with a sense of your body vibrating) is a sign that you're almost there - you're right on the verge of going astral. It usually accumulates into a popping sound - and when that happens - bing, you're astral baby.

(this vibration feeling can sometimes be almost as unsettling as the night terrors themselves -- but just go with it --
)

Relaxing is the key --

If your hooked - half in and half out - you're holding on - just let go (again, easier said then done)-

You might try getting to know your fine body (your astral being) a little better through meditation (as Crowley suggests)-- or instead of focusing on your sigil, focus on your astral form while falling asleep ... get to know your other self.

Lots o' love. And Lots o'luck.
(oh by the way - if you're interested - you may want to check out the works of Robert Munroe - astral travel is his specialty)

Tah
 
 
ill tonic
09:12 / 26.01.02
me again - just wanted to note that SP (and the terrors) usually only happen when I'm stressed, anxious or over tired
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
09:12 / 26.01.02
quote:Originally posted by cusm:
Interesting. I've suspected sleep paralysis could be used in this way for astral projection, but have never done the work to try it like you have. Its always scared the willies out of me



Same here. I can never keep calm enough to attempt to get out of it because it feels like I'm suffocating. Scary...
 
  
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