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How the hell is Bush winning this election???

 
 
fabi
18:12 / 12.09.04
He has money. Money, money, money!!! That´s everything he he needs.
 
 
Triplets
18:27 / 12.09.04
Shut up, slave. Bow before the King of All-Tears.
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
18:48 / 12.09.04
We're certainly asking ourselves why.

It's because we're overrun by douchebag fundie christians who are reproducing like fucking bunnies. Every one of you lefty married types here best to have several children. For America.
 
 
sleazenation
20:37 / 12.09.04
No, Bush is in danger of winning this election because not enough people who dislike his policies are getting up off of their fat assess, registering to vote, making sure they vote in November and, wherever possible, expressing their dissatisfaction to others, both those who share their feelings and those who are more ambivilent.
 
 
Bed Head
22:02 / 12.09.04
Well, my theory is that Bush is looking like winning this election in part because enough idiots are repeating the meme that says Bush looks like winning this election. I mean, it’s really close, and there’s a really small amount of voters still identifying as ‘undecided’, so now it’s all about getting your voters out to the polls. And also their making sure the other side are busy staying home and, say, blogging about why isn’t Kerry doing blah or what an idiot Bush is, and why bother to register to vote anyway, because Bush is gonna win, it’s obvious, all the polls say so.

It’s just an idea, like. But it’s bloody weird to keep reading these ‘resistence is futile!’-type threads, in the year of a really fucking close election. You want to predict election results, come to this country.
 
 
sleazenation
22:40 / 12.09.04
I should probably clarify that by 'people' I mean 'YOU' - each and every one of you who have not yet registered to vote and or/won't be out voting in November.
 
 
fluid_state
00:09 / 13.09.04
I'd have to go with "repeating the meme that says Bush looks like winning this election" for 500. Your perception of the election is dependent on the sources you choose see and trust. Going to Atrios every day gives me the perception that there are a vocal legion of voters actively against Bush, and that the press is beginning to follow suit. Then, I go to work, and a coworker says "I saw on TV that Bush is leading the polls by a big margin. He's so gonna win" and I despair. I turn on the television, or read a paper, and it becomes apparent that the whole spectacle really is being manufactured...

Mass media coverage is rife with distortions, omissions, an abject lack of journalistic ethics, and the occasional indisputable lie (repeated ad nauseum, so it cannot be conceivably questioned). Factor in the Diebold voting machines, and it seems that either the press is laying the groundstones for a proper election theft, or artificially creating a sense of mythic accomplishment should Kerry actually win.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:14 / 13.09.04
Yes. It's been some depressing shit reading all this on here... I mean... in the link to that other thread, it seems Flux has the right fucking idea, you know? KERRY WILL WIN, BUSH WILL LOSE. Say it, empower it! For fucks sake! Go for it and something might happen!

Argh!!!!! I can't even express it in words. And let me put it this way: I just got back from NYC a while back, and fuck did it feel like a change could happen there. I felt like trying to sign up to vote. People in the street tried to get me to sign up to vote! I mean, I know you've got the rest of the states to deal with, but it's not like you have anything to lose. (I mean, really).

DO SOMETHIN'! He's only winning if you're letting him win.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:22 / 13.09.04
I mean, come on, when he came to England there was a "stop Bush march"! I just... I just don't get it anymore. Nobody wants him there. Really. Think it. FEEL IT.

I saw some sort of poll taken of the "world's" opinion of whether Bush should win, and in every country polled the overwhelming majority was against him (although it was smallest in England, only 47% against, but I have to say I couldn't quite work out where these figures came from or how they added up... I enjoyed it). If only we ALL had a say.

I think the only sane option is to try and install a "king of the world" which should inevitably be... um... Superman?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:31 / 13.09.04
And another note: Watching American TV really made me greatful for the television available here - it might not seem like much - but I've never seen anything else try to so obviously force so much bullshit in to people's heads. It was, frankly, astonishing to me (I only ever watched actual American TV before when I was quite young, so obviously I didn't notice then...), and I really didn't understand before that things were bad to this extent.

Going by the TV: essentially, the whole time I was there New York was under attack - mainly from terrorists/gangsters/children and Kerry was nothing but a nobody whose record was a sham! He's not a hero! Source: all the NEWS CHANNELS!

In Macy's you could buy Bush dolls which said things like, "We'll smoke 'em out"* when you pressed the lapel and it also came with PRESIDENTIAL BOOTS. I thought it was ironic but it wasn't.

*Can't remember exactly, so it's possibly untrue, but just as possibly real.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
03:37 / 13.09.04
I don't know...it would be nice if Kerry grew a spine and started fighting back and running ads. Bush ads are EVERYWHERE, and I've gotten THREE mailings from him. I'm ont he Kerry mailing list and have gotten both Jack AND Shit.

If he doesn't start fighting back soon, he'll go down as ineffectual and Mondale and Dukaksis.
 
 
Keith
07:45 / 13.09.04
Kerry Jumped the Shark. He seemed 'of interest' a while ago, but has offered nothing new
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:53 / 13.09.04
Adtually, Otis, I'd suggest that in the last week or so Kerry's "W for Wrong" campaign, and his attempt to put a wedge between Powell and Cheney on Iraq are both "new". What you may mean is that he is not *exciting* enough, which may be a problem. It may also be that your news sources are not communicating these things - it is hard enough to get Kerry info in the US media, much less the UK...

But we've got two questions here. One is what will make the sort of people who hang around on Barbelith - generally left-leaning, generally anti-Bush - vote Kerry, which probably involves a) impressing upon them thre awfulness of another four years of Bush and b) making it seem like there is a point in voting. The other is how to make the "average American" - especially in swing states - vote a) at all and b) for Kerry, which is a different question. And actually, when we say "the average American", we come up against the fact that TANSA - we're talking about mobilising the black vote, the Latino vote, the anti-War vote... Hell, even the Nader vote - and getting it to the polling booth and behind Kerry.

That's a challenge. Better now, however, than after four more years of the Bush administration stripping the rights and freedoms of the Constitution and the powers of Congress in order to make more effective switches for beating its ideological and business opponents, and better Kerry, however dull or Establishment he may appear, than Bush, whose anti-Establishment credentials are impeccable but, IMHO, misdirected.
 
 
_Boboss
10:07 / 13.09.04
i read in the paper at the weekend about how we'll all be saved by friendly china in twenty-thirty years anyhoo.

now, america'll either like this, or lump it. the lumps, in this case, could be hundreds of megatons in size. in the build up, wouldn't the world be better off with an america that has had at least four more years of bushenomics to further and fundamentally undermine its wealth and reputation? while it wastes the last of its imperial muscles 'fighting' (i.e. perpetuating) terr'r, the rest of the world can be building safe diplomatic and business ties with the reds, making the transition from one global empire to another all smooth and groovy. but the chancey but here is, will this accelerated decline of the war economy ultimately convert into more holocaust or less holocaust for those of us elsewhere?

oh, and vote nader for fucksake - i can't believe anyone with an interest in seeing 'democracy' flourish in the world's richest nation could possibly countenance voting for one of the other two, thereby giving full implicit support for further slippage into a mono-partite (eh? suchaword?) system.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:19 / 13.09.04
So, you think the killing of hundreds of millions of people living in America by Chinese nuclear weapons would have no other consequences for the world's nations or indeed the world's ecology, and further that the US, currently by some distance the possessor of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, would somehow be unable to do anything about this?

Wow. That's the best piece of unrealpolitik I've encountered this week. As a matter of interest, which paper was this in? I'm quite interested in seeing the original story. Was it by any chance the Guardian's "The Shape of Things to Come" supplement?
 
 
_Boboss
10:35 / 13.09.04
yeah boiyeee - your happy future saturday supplement. the best bit was the m16 graphic - in 2020 china still won't be spending as much on arms as the us is now. m16s!!

'So, you think the killing of hundreds of millions of people living in America by Chinese nuclear weapons, and you believe that this would have no other consequences for the world's nations or indeed the world's ecology, and further that the US, currently by some distance the possessor of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, would somehow be unable to do anything about this?'

i'm having trouble making that sentence work, sorry. 'sides, i didn't say anything about china vs. america, the chinese are just going to slide in and buy up all the traditional american power bases. my ask is, will america, witnessing this, leave a scrap of land on earth unscorched, as its beloved 'big dad' self-image degrades into that of the mindless smiter and starts 'i am the law' anywhere big enough to drop a missile on?

'That's the best piece of unrealpolitik I've encountered this week'

well it's only monday, plenty of time.
 
 
Source
10:53 / 13.09.04
lol I just cannot understand how someone could consider re-electing Bush, even if the other guy wasn't "exciting".

I'd vote Hannibal Lecter into the Whitehouse before I'd vote Bush back in. After everything that has happened, I cannot understand this "undecided/teatering on both sides" thing that's happening to the voting public in the US.

I personally think you/they must all be completely brainwashed by the media to even consider voting that moron back into the Whitehouse.

He was the only leader not to attend the world environmental conference in South Africa - every single other leader attended except Bush - but he refused to go and left the quote saying that he wouldn't attend a conference that would seek to restrict the use of fossil fuels in his country and therefore harm the economy. WTF??? Bush has been more harm to the American economy than anything else could possibly be - He's an oil man and his entire campaign is paid for my oil companies, just as it always has been!

And for those of you that didn't know that Bush didn't attend that conference, that's because the American news networks are dumb shits who only cover stories within America and completely ignore the rest of the world.

What is wrong with the these people??

* Sorry - I just really hate to see what Bush is doing to the US. But hey, as long as he's there and fucking up the economy and making the dollar weaker, I can get cheap electrical goods from there!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:03 / 13.09.04
Gambit - ah. I see - you mean the US is going to go nuclear oN China, rather than the other way around? However, I can't see anything to support the statement "I didn't mention China vs America" in:

now, america'll either like this, or lump it. the lumps, in this case, could be hundreds of megatons in size.

On the whole, I'm pro a situation which is likely to make the US less bellicose and minimise the chance of the end of the world. Since Nader is not going to win, Kerry is the best shot.

Which brings us to the Jeffrey Dahmer question. Were I Nader, I would be a bit hacked off that I am being told "it's not the time for an independent, Democrat-splitting candidate" for the second election running. However, I do believe that Bush is a special case. *Every* effort has to be made to remove Bush's executive branch from power, because their abuse of the powers they have been given is, even by US standards, egregious. I'm afraid that claiming that Kerry and Bush are "just the same" is a sign of laziness: for example, one is planning to amend the Constitution of the United States of America to outlaw gay marriage, the other is not. Can you guess which? Thought so.
 
 
_Boboss
11:42 / 13.09.04
ah, been alive all these years and still don't know how to use 'like it or lump it'. in my world 'lump it' would mean 'act lumpily like ben grimm' not 'take your lumps' ah well. changing the constitution is sheer electioneering i think, unlikely to get through the houses if bush should ever bother pushing it. cheney's remarks about gay marriage have been far more progressive and fair minded than anything i've heard kerry say on the subject yet.

generally though, you seem to be swinging towards 'more holocaust' for a bush win in november. anyone else?
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
18:06 / 13.09.04
I'd vote Hannibal Lecter into the Whitehouse before I'd vote Bush back in.

Lecter was a brilliant, after all. Maybe he'd just shift his diet to Republicans.
 
 
Ganesh
18:08 / 13.09.04
Nah, they're generally too gamey.
 
 
eddie thirteen
20:18 / 13.09.04
How sad it is that the two best candidates for president mentioned herein -- Superman and Doctor Hannibal Lecter -- are both, like Ahnuld, disqualified from candidacy due to having not been born on American soil. Clearly, when such luminaries are passed by as a result of such an archaic guideline, it's time for the representatives of a more enlightened age to do with away with it. Unfortunately, Dr. Lecter would continue not to qualify due to his felon status. More's the pity, considering that here we have a man with an attractive and dynamic First Lady (Clarice Starling), several degrees, great respectability within his field, an appreciation for European culture (particularly Italian) that would go a long way toward ingrating him to the rest of the world and repairing the diplomatic damage done by Bush II, and a clear willingness to seek the blood of his enemies that even the most hardline republican could not help but admire. Given the alternatives, Hannibal has my vote.
 
 
fluid_state
23:09 / 13.09.04
Lecter's a modern model of practical recycling, to boot. Uses every last drop of "the blood of his enemies", he does.

He'd have my vote over Superman, for sure. Supes is too much of a flip-flopper. Krypton or Kansas? Kal-El or Kent? I bet he even spells America with a "K"! Could you trust a man with that many aliases? And what kind of president wears glasses when he doesn't even need to? It's like he's got someting to hide.
 
 
Billuccho!
23:25 / 13.09.04
Well, it depends if it's Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, or Post-Birthright Superman. Post-Crisis, he was technically an American. There was a whole annual about him becoming President and everything. Here, in fact.
 
 
fluid_state
12:27 / 14.09.04
One answer to the original question comes from a Warren Ellis quote:

“A Democratic party that wants to win does not send Boris Karloff with a badger stapled to his head to be president.”

which is pretty spot-on...
 
 
Baz Auckland
12:38 / 14.09.04
hmmm... Actually, if they were running a ticket with the real Boris Karloff and a Badger, I'm sure they would get a lot of votes! How can you vote against Karloff? And Badgers are pretty damn vicious... (i.e. good on National Defence)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:47 / 14.09.04
Vicious, but also loveable.

To resolve the Superman question - Superman makes a good Veep, but there has to be someone to make the tough decisions.

That's why I'm voting Degaton-Cain.

 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
21:03 / 14.09.04
You guys kidding me?
I'm all for a Fonz-Batman ticket.
 
 
w1rebaby
22:47 / 14.09.04
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
01:26 / 15.09.04
Essentially, badgers should always be in the running for political positions because they are so racially liberal.
 
  
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