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Obsession/Possession of magician-writer by "fictional" creations and the fluid nature of fiction suit identification

 
  

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trouser the trouserian
10:09 / 09.09.04
From here, if you want to employ a fictionsuit as a device for dramatic change, it takes time. And action. Stay away from the online names, in fact, and stick with face-to-face interactions. Let your new suit assert itself, preferably through behavior, also through appearance or statement (ie, informing other people of this new suit).

Well put, Seamus.

Perhaps we could discuss the practicalities of doing this in more depth?

Another author who is IMO worth looking at in this respect is Lionel Snell (aka Ramsey Dukes). Lionel has, over the years, created a huge 'cast' of fictional characters that have populated his writings - for example, arch-satanist Hugo l'Estrange. I've seen him take on some of these characters at various 'public performances' - his Chaos Evangelical event at Conway Hall some years ago whilst he was being the Reverend Eival B. Myeghud created a near mini-riot, and he's also appeared occasionally as the very holy Sree Baba Reebop (with supporting cast, natch') - on one occasion I recall some Austrian tourists became convinced he was a genuine holy man and tried to give him money! Both of these examples are deliberate rather than 'obsessional' uses of fictional characters, but Lionel has said on occassion that taking on the 'persona' of Eival B. Myeghud or Sree Baba Reebop in public performance has given him more ideas for developing the fictive representation of those characters.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:08 / 09.09.04
>> arch-satanist Hugo l'Estrange

Is this where the Batman writers got the name Hugo Strange, I wonder? I think it was Doug Moench who created him... (off topic but curious)
 
 
penitentvandal
08:59 / 11.09.04
Read some comics, man!

Hugo Strange was created by Kane and Finger way back in the 30s. He created a team of powerful 'mutants' (by injecting then with drugs), one of whom climbed the Empire State building and was shot down by Batman's bat-gyro in a not-at-all-like-King Kong moment. Then he came back as a ghost during Steve Engelhart's genius run and took weird astral revenge on the then-mayor of Gotham, who'd been trying to get Batman arrested. Sorry to go apeshit like this, but I honestly believe Hugo Strange is one of the coolest villains in bat-history and we should all be aware of his origins. Plus, he was a bald genius who injected people with drugs and made them into super-mutants fifty years before Grant Morrison!

(actually, imagine what could be done with Strange now, as a character, based on that idea...I know there was a story a while back where he tried to defeat Batman using therapy, but really, Strange as a Tim Leary-esque drugs guru of evil - that would be a cool spin on the character. Damn. Maybe now I'll have to write the fucker...)

Sorry for the threadrot, but the point is: I like Hugo Strange. Perhaps somewhat obsessively. But not in a sexual way.

At least, I hope not in a sexual way.

Veering closer to the topic again...I've read Dukes' writings and I think they're ace. I particularly like the one where, as Hugo L'estrange, he encourages the readers to go out and abuse children at once, so as to give them an interesting and traumatised background. Laughed like a stuck pig, so I did...

Whenever I think of fiction suits, I think of Ellis and Spider Jerusalem. It always seemed to me that Spider took over Ellis to such an extent that he actually began to behave and write like Spider in his own life: you know, drinking massively, pretending to be a journalist, etc, to the point where it impinged on his comics writing, quite severely. I think a lot of Ellis' recent work has suffered because he's been trying (consciously or not) to purge Spider from his system, but by all accounts his new work is an improvement on the hideous last days of Transmet etc. But anyway, a lesson there about being taken over by one's fiction suits.

I like the idea of using music/creative methods to trap demons and such like. I do this when I write poetry - I'll often do a bunch of poems as a specific character to get them out of my system and trap them in print. It seems to work.

Mind you, my most recent fiction suit - Atom Fisk, Quantum Magician! - was a deliberate invention to help me cope with a weird maths-related ritual I had to do. He was basically me, but from a universe where I knew a lot about maths, rather than books and films, and did magic by performing weird equations to cancel out things like the nature of evil and so on. It was quite fun being him for a while, but given that I had to teach people English for a living I had to discontinue him sharpish after the event and get back to my bookish persona.
 
 
Skeleton Camera
03:24 / 12.09.04
So, fictionspace: or, where the hell do all these things come from?

They say (who say?) the imagination is boundless. And it certainly seems so. But also, "there are no new stories written" - which would indicate a certain structure in which imagination can be translated down to Earth-mode.

Woah, woah, woah. Slow down. There are then two distinct, though not separate, realms we're dealing with: the realm of imagination, in which ideas multiply and mutate boundlessly; and the realm of translation, the Mercurial realm, through which those ideas pass to reach some sort of expression.

Visualize an hourglass, 36-24-36. The top is the imagination space, blossoming out into the ether. The bottom is the Earthly sphere of expression and manifestation. Between them, moving through the "crunch point" right in the middle, is the Mercurial realm.

This sounds too Platonic: the Absolutes sliding down the vortex into Form. It's not that clear-cut, though, as the hourglass extends outwards into a spiral structure. The above diagram is a "freeze-frame" of an eternally spinning force, and a small section of that freeze-frame at that.

The structure of this hourglass is human perception - language, image, sensory input. Ideas - fact or fiction - flow to and from expression and realization. As they do, they blend - fact becomes fiction, vice versa, back again.

And as all this whirling takes place, something else occurs as well - TRANSLATION. The ideas, moving from imagination space into physicality, need to shift shape. For each unit of perception (individual, group, super-group, etc) the ideas appear differently. Their content is different as well. As with any act of translation, the data itself is transformed. And so the various qualities of what I know as Hermes are not identical as those of Eshu. They share the same threads, the same tendrils from imagination, but they are not the same manifestations.

This translation is infinite. Is imagination space infinite as well? I don't know and don't care to guess. But the translations are infinite, both in terms of 'appearance' (how the ideas translate) and content (what they translate into). Meaning exists on every possible level here - from so obvious it hurts to unintelligibly subtle. And the nature of the meaning - "what the message is" - is often the key part of the translation.

So said, this is my hyper-intellectual understanding of how human perception works, how our relationship to the divine exists, and why I can be knocked off my feet by the sunset colors on a building. This is EXPLAINING imagination space. Ok, fun mind-game. MAPPING it, though, is a lot more entertaining. There in my head we find Queen Mab, the Pumpkin King, and so much else... glimmers of the divine kaleidescoped through imagination and dropping into this reality.
The hard part of this discussion, and any one of this sort, is conveying the sense of experiential reality behind all this stuff. That it's not just abstract but right there, right now. As if you can feel it translating as it happens.

Wooha. Clearly an information overload for this week!
 
 
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03:37 / 13.09.04
wow, you really think this stuff out way more then I do. It's too late at night for me to process what you're going on about so I'll just say I just get ideas from weird associations (either that or I see or hear or read something that inspires me so I'll just take it and do my own spin). Like I'm working one day and above me I hear a light crackling and I see a long line of huge spotlights, the surfaces of which are swarming with gigantic trapped black wasps, twitching in insect agony. From this seemingly banal event (hearing a light crackle and spark) an image appeared in my mind that, while not really having any coherent sense on it's own, was the germinating agent I needed for the seed of a story in my head. From that one inconsequential thing this whole huge project sprouted. I find crackling lights inspiring. Must be a David Lynch thing.
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:08 / 13.09.04
I once read a short story- forgot the name, or the author (anyone who knows, throw me a bone) about a guy who picks up a woman in a bar, they get to talking about music, and she keeps referring to Ziggy Stardust, but has never heard of David Bowie. Confused he goes back to her place, and finds a collection of music that includes not only Ziggy (not Bowie, sounds a bit like Hendrix), but Benny and the Jets, Johnny B. Good, Willy and the Poor Boys, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, not bootlegs of Creedence and the Beatles etc, as he thought at first, but bands we all know, that shouldn't exist. Turns out she's from a meta-universe that all fiction comes from, whether authors create it, or are inspired by it is unknown, but instead of Kurt Vonnegut Jr. they have Kilgore Trout, instead of Phillip José Farmer, Johnathan Swift Somers III, and I guess instead of Phillip K. Dick's work it's the Blue Cephalopod Man from Titan comics.
So, to send her back to the metaverse, she hides in his attic with a year's worth of food and water while he writes a song about her and gets it played on the radio...
 
  

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