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WTC Twin Towers in Popular Media

 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:02 / 04.09.04
I'm shifting this from its less appropriate starting point on the Comics board -- here was my original post, sparked by the link to a Transformers comic showing a ruined WTC, and mention of a Fantastic Four cartoon showing the towers being levelled:

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This might seem a ghoulish question but surely there must be quite a few superhero comics and disaster/science fiction films that showed the WTC being damaged or destroyed? Just as Big Ben and the White House are obvious, spectacular targets in that kind of alien-attack or titans-clashing set-piece, the WTC towers must have been featured in films like Independence Day, surely?

It's as if my mind was censored following Sept 2001 because I can't think of any. Is it true or urban myth that the first Spider-Man had a WTC scene?

Oddly, you never even seem to see the towers intact in old (pre-9/11) TV, comics and movies anymore. Maybe once in a while in a forgotten scene-transition from Friends. It seems almost shocking to see the buildings portrayed as they were: recently I came across a couple of NYC city-spreads in Preacher and Invisibles where the very background presence of WTC 1 and 2 jumped out of the page.

Again... I can't even think of any films that used the towers as a set-piece feature. I could believe that any films using them prominently wouldn't be screened on TV anymore, or might even be cut for reasons of public sensitivity, but I'm surprised I don't remember them.
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Since then:

I've been doing a few searches on this and have found some noteworthy incidents of the WTC towers being used in movies or other popular media before 9/11 -- these images seem almost startling now and many of them have been suppressed in some way.

1976 King Kong remake, original Spider-Man trailer, MiB 2, ID4

Twin Towers in pre-9/11 video games

The Coup, "Party Music", and Dream Theater, "Live from New York"

NB. I'm not subscribing to any of this "prophecy" nonsense; I am just looking at how these kinds of images obviously gained a new resonance post-9/11, and were often (understandably at the time) censored or pushed under the cultural carpet.


There was also, of course, the idiotic campaign to ban or rename Tolkien's The Two Towers, ignoring the fact that the book was written long before the buildings even went up.


Oddly, no sign of the twin towers in the poster for Deep Impact, though apparently they are hit by the tidal wave in the movie...they appear in the background of the (remarkably similar) ID4 poster, but the focus is again on the Empire State Building -- as it is, more understandably, in The Day After Tomorrow.






ID4 highlights the destruction of the Chrysler Building, which looks spookily like genuine shots of 9/11 -- reminding you that, at the time, many people commented that the terrorist attacks had the nightmarish quality of images we were already used to from disaster flicks. Cf. The Onion of Sept 2001: NEW YORK—In the two weeks since terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, American life has come to resemble a bad Jerry Bruckheimer-produced action/disaster...

These are just my observations in the week of the 3-year anniversary: I hope it doesn't seem disrespectful to investigate such links, and I'd be interested if anyone can think of any other interesting examples of the WTC towers in popular media prior to Sept 01... images we may not have seen since.
 
 
at the scarwash
11:35 / 04.09.04
No disrespect, but I think that one of the reasons that the WTC is more-or-less absent from pop culture, except for "real tall building" value is the fact that is was a dead dull piece of architecture.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
12:09 / 04.09.04
That's a fair point and would explain why ID4 rejected the WTC towers in favour of the Chrysler Building's retro-Coruscant gleaming glory.

Meanwhile today's Guardian echoes my post, in Nostradamus-style coincidence.

On September 11 2001, one reaction above all others became cliche almost before the twin towers had completed their grotesque descent. It was, people said, like something out of a movie. And they were right. We'd all seen American landmarks demolished before - flying saucers zapping the White House in Independence Day, meteorites knocking lumps out of New York in Armageddon - but this time, the drama on our screens, while scarcely any more believable, was actually happening. A gang of Allah-addled yahoos, armed with implements most of us could find in our kitchen drawers, really had perpetrated an assault on the United States as deadly and traumatic as Pearl Harbour.

It was hardly the most pressing concern raised by that awful day, but for a while it seemed that, surely, nobody would ever again make apocalyptic blockbusters of the Independence Day or Armageddon ilk; Arnold Schwarzenegger's Collateral Damage was tactfully iced because the plot involved terrorists. It even appeared vaguely possible that there would be no more nauseating romantic comedies set in New York, hitherto the world capital of nauseating romantic comedies. The John Cusack/Kate Beckinsale bucket-filler Serendipity was hastily edited to excise shots of the World Trade Centre, as were Zoolander and People I Know.


article here

Another interesting commentary here
, from end of October 01:


A guidebook like Manhattan on Film, offering a walking tour of popular New York City film locations, seems sad and discouraging in light of the Sept. 11 tragedy. It's hard to feel good about the Manhattan skyline while rescue crews continue to dig away at the WTC wreckage.

Recently, at a Toronto Film Festival screening of the girl-meets-girl comedy, Kissing Jessica Stein, the audience groaned every time the film flashed a panoramic shot of the New York skyline and the World Trade Towers. It's no surprise that a Manhattan-set, romantic comedy like Sidewalks of New York has been delayed. The same fate awaited the Arnold Schwarzenegger actioner, Collateral Damage. In the film, Schwarzenegger plays a fireman who loses his family to a terrorist attack on an office tower. Future films with terrorist story lines await their fates.

After Sept. 11, it's unclear whether movie audiences will want to see a film like the Jennifer Lopez thriller, Tick-Tock, In the movie, Lopez plays a FBI agent who sets out to defuse bombs set at various Los Angeles shopping malls.

It's safe to say that movie audiences once expressed a hunger for violence. After watching the secondhand footage of the WTC explosions, I think that hunger is over.



Interesting that the hunger for violence has quite clearly rumbled up again in the collective stomach of the movie audience: Kill Bill as just one example, and Day after Tomorrow as (unless I'm wrong) the first big American urban disaster flick since 9/11.

Re. Kissing Jessica Stein, I vividly recall a group intake of breath during a cinema screening of AI when the camera explores a CGI New York of the future, flying over skeletal skyscrapers that would only recall the WTC Ground Zero to viewers with those images fresh in their minds.

And then you could consider explicitly post-9/11 movies like 25th Hour or I suppose Fahrenheit 911.

I can also think of a few novels that attempt to deal with the attacks, in the background rather than as the main issue -- Descent, Dead Air, Pattern Recognition, apparently The Closed Circle, and Carol Shields' last story "Segue" -- but again that's another board. Thanks to whoever gave my thread here a summary by the way!
 
 
Lord Morgue
15:19 / 04.09.04
They went to a lot of trouble to excise all shots of the WTC from Spider-Man, also axing an early promo where Spidey webs up a helicopter full of bank robbers between the towers.
Comics-wise, the trade center got blown apart in the X-Force/Spider-man crossover, one tower fell against the other in Damage Control, the towers were turned into a demon nest in "Inferno", and Spyboy's organisation's secret base was inside an invisible bridge between the towers (did Peter David write his way out of that?).
Movie-wise, remember Black Moon Rising? Tommy Lee Jones jumps a stolen experimental super-car between the towers.
Escape From New York, also a John Carpenter project, has Snake Plissken land his glider there.
Maybe Hollywood will get back to blowing big shit up. I mean, look at Japanese animé- how many times have we seen Tokyo destroyed in a pseudo-nuclear fireball? Practically every time.
 
 
CameronStewart
16:21 / 04.09.04
There's an episode of the Simpsons in which the family travels to New York City to retrieve Homer's impounded car, and one of the big gags is Homer's desperate attempt to find a public toilet so he can have a piss, so he goes aaaaall the way to the top of Tower One of the WTC, then finds out the toilet is in the other tower, so he goes all the way down again and up the second tower.

I've not seen that episode repeated since 9-11...
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:21 / 04.09.04
The Soprano's dropped a shot of the WTC towers from it's opening credits.

I'm having a think about others...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:42 / 04.09.04
Lord Morgue do you have any scans of these comic book attacks on the WTC?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:50 / 04.09.04
Here for further illustration are relevant images from (top) the censored Spider-Man trailer, which is actually fantastic and could be seen as an homage to the towers, and (below) the unfortunate Microsoft Flight Simulator.



One fan site for the simulator promises:


Now anyone with a bit of patience can fly the Helicopters in Flight Simulator 2000 or 98 with these easy instructions & just a couple of weeks practice. I will teach you how to hover, land, fly straight & level & land on the World Trade Center, NYC!

 
 
eddie thirteen
20:41 / 04.09.04
Now that you (Morgue) mention it, I wonder whether the big crappy shit-blowing-up-stylee disaster movie will return, too -- based on the performance of The Day After Tomorrow, it may be safe to say that the appetite for such films is gone; but it could just as persuasively be argued that the film in question was simply a piece of shit. Then again, the pre-9/11 ID4 was *also* a piece of shit. One imagines Roland Emmerlich scratching his head at the low returns for The Day After Tomorrow, wondering where the whole "huge piece of shit = huge box office" formula went so tragically wrong between 1996 and 2004, and maybe it was the WTC attacks that did it in. It's hard to say.

Then again, like every other genre, the all-(minor)-star-cast disaster movie has come in and out of vogue periodically anyhow. There's a straight line of descent from The Towering Inferno and The Poseidon Adventure in the '70s to ID4 and Titanic in the '90s. In both decades, spectacle is far more important than story, and the films can be enjoyed both by audiences who mist up over the tragic sacrifice of the one-dimensional hero and the more cynical, typically hipster-ish types who see the movies as comedies. (Poseidon Adventure enjoyed a bit of a Rocky Horror-type comeback as a midnight movie in the '90s.)

I think it's significant, though, that the genre became popular at a time when the popular perception was that a time of great social upheaval was over (post-Vietnam, Civil Rights, JFK/MLK/RFK/Malcolm X assassinations), and later when the popular perception was that a new "golden age" was underway (Clinton era -- employment highs, thriving information economy, etc.). The disaster films in both cases can be read as America congratulating itself for having pulled together and standing tall in a time of (now safely over) crisis -- even if the reality was a whole hell of a lot messier than that. Basically, what I'm saying is that it's fairweather filmmaking: If we WERE tested, the films say, we'd be able to rise up to the challenge. Not really a message America likes to hear as it is actively BEING tested, and knows better. About as close as we can get is stuff like LOTR, which follows a similar dynamic but is (again, safely) set in a realm of pure fantasy (which, paradoxically, seems far more realistic than the depiction of American life found in, say, ID4).

At the same time, I think that right now a lot of people are incredibly pissed off...on the right, people are angry at the terrorists (whoever they are this week), and on the left, people are angry at their own government. What unites people on both sides is a feeling of frustrated impotence -- what can you really do about it, in either case? The terrorists are an invisible, intangible boogeyman; Bush is quite real, but a majority vote against him didn't keep him out of office last time, and there's the real fear that if somehow Kerry is elected things won't really change much. Feeling helpless, I don't think Americans are at all interested in watching films about people being subjected to menacing acts of God or implacable foes. That's a bit too much like real life, presently. I do think that films like Kill Bill will continue to be successful, though...a pissed-off woman slashing her enemies to grisly death with a samurai sword is way more likely to induce catharsis. For better or worse, I'm pretty sure that's way more in tune with the current national zeitgeist.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:36 / 05.09.04
>> No disrespect, but I think that one of the reasons that the WTC is more-or-less absent from pop culture, except for "real tall building" value is the fact that is was a dead dull piece of architecture.

Not nearly as fucking dull and stupid as the fucking "Freedom Tower." Sooo boring, a spire with 4 buildings that look like stumps around it. And it's so cheesy that it's even called the 'Freedom Tower,' and it's 1776 feet.... such a cheat to make it the world's tallest building, even though 1/4 of it on top is a thin needle that no one can actually go up to. I liked the WTC, and I liked it when it was just a regular part of our everyday lives! It makes me soo mad to think that NYC had a chance to add a major architectural skyscraper to its skyline and they settled on that stupid damn Freedom Tower design. Grrr......
 
 
wicker woman
08:34 / 05.09.04
Found another one tonight. It's just a simple panorama/transition shot, but there's a scene in The Usual Suspects that shows the towers.
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:20 / 05.09.04
Didn't somebody do a tightrope walk between the towers?
I remember that godawful 70's version of Kong. He climbed the towers because they looked like a pair of rocky spires back home on Skull Island.
No scans, unfortunately. If I ever get my old scanner working I'll necromance this thread.
Hey, remember the original Illuminatus trilogy, where Yog-Sothoth was kept trapped inside the Pentagon, and one side was blown out, and they found one old man dead of a heart attack while trying to draw a chalk line to close the gap?
Our George had something similar going in Doom Patrol, when Flex Mentallo was trying to change the shape of the pentagon to a circle.
 
 
Benny the Ball
11:32 / 05.09.04
Yep to the Illuminatus! I remember vaguly reading that the marsh land that they built the pentagon on had some strange death-sounding name. Plus, fact fans, the builders start work on September 11th, 1941.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
13:03 / 05.09.04
Clearly not a disaster movie, but Sex & The City featured the WTC quite prominently in its credits -



- which changed to

 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:38 / 05.09.04
wow I love those images. It's interesting that no film or TV bosses seem to have thought of keeping in the shots of the towers as a deliberate "defiant tribute", in the spirit of "these colors don't run" and so on.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
18:24 / 05.09.04
Yes, and the not-defiant aspect of it was particularly blatant with S&TC, because the series was actually in the middle of its run on 9/11/01. I think they changed the credits immediately after. There was another shot changed as well, in which the towers are slightly less obvious -this:



was changed to this:



which is, I think, not even close to as good as the first.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
20:14 / 05.09.04
Let us not forget that infamous episode of The Lone Gunmen (see here).
 
 
Triplets
21:05 / 05.09.04
I've never even heard of that before episode. Sweet Christmas!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:52 / 05.09.04
That clip is really pretty disturbing and exhilarating at once... the near miss that could have happened. If seeing the towers undamaged on film seems startling these days, seeing the cockpit view of an airplane approach to them is a very unsettling experience, not least because you know that particular view, that shot is gone for good.

I can't help wondering how the writers of that episode, and everyone involved, felt when they realised what was happening on Sept 11 2001.

Re. SATC, it does seem kind of cowardly and unthinking to pull those introductory shots. The show isn't a documentary. Clearly Carrie et. al's adventures in fashion during that season were recorded and so happened in "the past", in a fictional time prior to 9/11, so there's no reason to suddenly reflect the new skyline halfway thru a season. Nobody thinks the show happens in real time, and nobody in that season commented on the attacks, so it makes no logical sense to pretend that the characters instantly inhabit a changed New York.
 
 
Lord Morgue
07:27 / 06.09.04
Remember the scene from Beavis and Butthead Do America where Cornholio hijacks the plane? Couldn't get away with that these days.
 
 
Grey Area
14:28 / 06.09.04
I find the contrast between the old and new SATC screenshots interesting. The new ones seem brighter, more optimistic, somehow. Of course, this could simply be a result of having been grabbed at a point where the lighting was brighter. Never having seen the intros in question, I can't really tell. The replacement of the prominent Twin Towers with the Empire State Building is interesting too. It's almost as if the ESB became the stand-by glamour icon of New York.

What really interests me in this whole business is the question of where this editing behaviour will end. If I remember correctly, Arthur C. Clarke's 'Ghost of the Grand Banks' had a character in it whose job was to go through old movies and edit out social behaviour that had died out and which wasn't to be depicted anymore, lest it encourage people to take it up again. Smoking being the example used in the book...they were editing Casablanca or some such film icon.

So is this rewriting history, Ministry of Truth style? Where does one draw the line? Are we going to see celebrities who have fallen from Network grace being edited out of old series? Or have product placement agreements being brought in where brands are retroactively rebranded in-film after an image-change? I see television series and films as a snapshot of the time in which they were made, and the facility and willingness to edit out undesireable elements is increasing every year. So are we going to reach a point where film and television are not going to really act as historical markers anymore?
 
 
eddie thirteen
21:14 / 06.09.04
On that note (retroactive editing for cultural things/people that have taken on new significance), in the above-mentioned Towering Inferno, one of the heroic types was a much younger O.J. Simpson. Now that I think about it, I haven't this or the Naked Gun movies on TV in kind of a while...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:35 / 28.09.04
Interesting that nobody brought up two comics I've just read -- Human Target, where a guy feigns his own death in 9/11, and Marvel Boy, where Noh-Varr destroys pretty much every building in NYC apart from the Twin Towers, which are still standing in one panel.
 
  
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