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A cry for help. Dreams come true.

  
 
Ofermod
02:58 / 17.01.02
Not sure if this is the proper place to post this, but I figure the Magik forum has a greater concentration of people experienced with this sort of thing than the help forum. Moderators, if you disagree...move it where you wish. To begin, I do not believe in magik. Neither do I disbelieve in magik. I tend to be one who neither believes nor disbelieves until I've witnessed enough to make up my mind. Having never seen magik (or at least not having recognized it if I did) I don't believe in it. Having never seen proof that it doesn't exist, I do not believe that it doesn't exist. I suppose it's a quantum thought process, but that's the way my mind works. Let's just say I am very open to any ideas and suggestions you may have to offer regarding my problem...which I suppose I should explain.

I enjoy dreaming. Or I used to. Throughout my life I've had recurring dreamscapes I could map out in my head even after I awoke. Once I had a nightmare which woke me in the classic sit up and scream way...don't for the life of me remember what it was...that was over 10 years ago. For the most part, a healthy dream-life. Then came this past fall. The week before Sept. 11th I dreamt of a plane crash in a wooded area. It stuck in my head for several days. Then Sept. 11th happened. I read at least two eyewitness accounts of flight 93, the one that went down in Pennsylvania. They described the plane crash I saw in my dream almost exactly. I thought it was weird and tried to put it out of my head. Coincidence.

Another night I dreamt I was walking through a city being bombed. I saw missles fly through the air above me, rubble all around. If a missle came near me, I time-slipped to a safe distance away. This is the first and only dream in which I was aware of all 5 senses. I've never smelled anything in a dream before. I could smell the smoke. I knew I was dreaming, and knew how to time-slip. I ended up in a neighborhood which I have never seen before but knew every house on each street like I had grown up there. I ended up at a door where a girl I've never met stood waiting for me, crying. I went and held her, I could smell her perfume. I woke up and almost cried from heartbreak. The breaking news the next day was that we had begun bombing Kabul. Coincidence.

The next dream was of another plane crash. In the dream no one died. It was in the backyard of the house I grew up in on Long Island...5-10 miles away from Islip airport. I woke up scared, trying to think nothing of it. And went back to sleep. I woke up much later...my roommate had the TV on loud then. I heard something about a plane crash in NY and almost cried. That plane that crashed in Queens, only a few miles from LaGuardia. Only this everyone was dead. Coincidence doesn't work anymore.

Last week I dreamt of a non-specific US military jet crash. The next day three different US military planes crashed. One on an aircraft carrier, one in Pakistan and one in New Jersey.

So either I'm going insane, my dreams are coming true or it's a big coincidence. And frankly, Ving Rhames said it best in Pulp Fiction, "I'm pretty fucking far from okay." I'm afraid to sleep because I'm afraid to dream. I drink too much each night hoping for dreamless sleep. Every time I have one of these freaking dreams people die. And most of them I couldn't save anyway. So my question to you Barbelithers is this: Am I going insane or is it possible that somehow my dreams are coming true? And the second question is (whichever answer you choose from the first question): What do I do about it?

Anybody have know of any books that might help? Any suggestions or explanations? A good therapist? Can I control these dreams? Maybe have a good dream that comes true? Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
03:09 / 17.01.02
first of all, i've just posted in the head shop about dreams, like 2 minutes after you posted this - another coincidence!

i don't think the choice is as you put it. the dreams must be incredibly disturbing, no doubt about it. my father, who never dreams, once had a nightmare about men and women falling to the ground, on fire. the next week the challenger space shuttle blew up and he freaked out. i would say the options are more likely that it is just an awful coincidence, or that you might be having premonitions - rather than your dreams coming true, which implies some kind of control, or blame, on your part. i certainly don't think it implies you are going insane.

apparently there are ways of controlling dreams, though i have limited power myself in my own. i think you certainly need to talk to someone about it - if you are afraid to sleep, then that is a problem. but if you have a 'gift' for predicting events, what would you want to do with it??
 
 
SMS
04:56 / 17.01.02
"...I suppose it's a quantum thought process..."

I think a better word for it is skepticism.

In any case, don't be afraid to dream. So far, you have not been able to do anything to stop the events from happening. However, it would be best, during this time, to take very careful notes on your dreams. All of them that you can remember. In fact, I think it might be essential. You need to begin to better understand what these are, and I think the only way to do that is to observe yourself. If you feel comfortable doing so, posting your dreams here might be good, but you must write them in a notebook first, immediately after you wake up.
 
 
SMS
05:08 / 17.01.02
quote:Originally posted by SMatthewStolte:
[QB...In any case, don't be afraid to dream...[/QB]

By the way, if this sounds like it's easier to say than do, you may want to consider using some form of meditation to help you overcome your fear. I don't know what specifically to recommend, though.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
13:19 / 17.01.02
I'm choosing to operate from the belief that you're not going insane.

The Mexican Curanderos and Brujos around Mexico city use dreaming skills to access a shamanic state of consciousness. Before they learn how to act with intent in their dreams it can be very maddening. You may be doing something similar.

The book "A War of Witches" by Timothy Knab has some interesting info on this. It's not a 'how to' book but it's interesting nonetheless.

As for suggestions on dreaming, the only bit of advice I've ever had that has worked at all for me (as others here know, I'm not a very good 'dreamer') was to keep a dream journal and to come up with a statement of intent or question before falling asleep.

Then repeat this to yourself over and over as you fall to sleep at night. Use that, not to avoid dreaming, but to learn to control those dreams. If there is a 'magical' aspect to these dreams then it sounds like they are being given to you for a reason.

Maybe the first question you could ask would be 'Why am I being taken to these places?' or 'Why am I being given these dreams?' and see what comes up.

Also, if you do have any personal spiritual or religious beliefs you could utilize them for protection and support. If you believe in any gods, spirits, power animals... Hell, even childhood imaginary friends, you could meditate before going to bed for a few minutes and ask them to watch over and protect you as you dream.

That way, even if you get taken to horrible places, you won't have to feel alone.
 
 
cusm
14:04 / 17.01.02
By all means if you feel comfortable with it, when you have one of these, and you'll know when you have them, post it here. Consider it a magickal experiment. I suspect that telling of these sorts of portents to others can help prevent them from happening. It sort of makes sense in a quantum way. And if they still do, well, you get to be fameous if you want, I suppose.

I've had this sort of thing myself now and then, though never as clear as you describe. At least, not for anything important. I've had a couple that clear, but they've been like for a concert I was going to. I never seem to dream of lottery tickets...

On that note in the hopes of dispelling it, I had one where I watching a news report about Washington in flames, and Bush being dead, talking about the "tragedy of May 4th". Here's hoping I'm full of it, eh?
 
 
Ofermod
20:53 / 17.01.02
First, thanks for your suggestions and ideas.

In response to SFD, perhaps my wording was less than accurate. I never felt that my dreams coming true meant that because I dreamed them they came true. I understand there is no cause and effect relationship in that direction, and I rather think the events are the cause (or things leading up to the events) and the dream is the effect.

quote: originally posted by SMatthewStolte
I think a better word for it is skepticism.

Nah...quantum thought process sounds cooler. But I have been leaning towards starting a dream journal....as soon as I get over the fear of dreaming and stop drinking myself to sleep every night (It's a real easy way to go when the bar is two blocks from your apartment, it's open 24 hours and your roommmate is the graveyard shift bartender) And I suppose that's the first step.

Lothar, I had a friend back in Virginia very into all things Jungian who, I recall, used to talk about controlling his dreams in the same manner. Concentrating on one idea as he falls asleep. I might give him a call this weekend. Unfortunately my quantum thought process (or skepticism if you want to be mundane) has prohibited me from having any specific spiritual or religious beliefs. I have tried to figure out my totem in the past, but have never been able to come to a conclusion...so no spirit guides for me.

And certainly if I have any more dreams of this nature I will post them. Hell, I've got an email pre-written explaining everything I mention here ready for the addition of a new dream for warning my friends and family if I feel the need.
 
 
Vadrice
23:28 / 17.01.02
clever.
 
 
Little Mother
23:28 / 17.01.02
Hi there
I have had similar dreams coming true stuff happen to me now and again with good accuracy though not on any big stuff like yours are. I found trying to normalise it helped. This sounds mad but if you try to think of it in terms of things that just happen sometimes. Planes do just crash sometimes, just as boats sink and cars collide and sometimes people know about it before it happens. For me it made things a lot easier and acceptable. Plus I started on bad things but have had a couple of goodies, it may happen that way with you too.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
13:47 / 18.01.02
I too experienced a barbelith-dreaming synchronicity... yesterday, I woke up from a really vivid dream, and was thinking about it all morning, and as I ate my breakfast and read barbelith i noticed sfd's post and this one, and without wanting to go into too much detail, for reasons both of privacy and of not boring you all, theres a case for saying that the dream's key themes came true, albeit filtered though all sorts of other stuff. Basically it revolved around having a new girlfriend, and then, later on that day I ran into an old friend of mine who I hadn't seen in a good couple of years, which led us both to go to a club which I would normally avoid like the plague (basically cheezy music...) where I ended up spending my time meeting a rather wonderful woman (who also ended up at this club (which she also dislikes) by an approximately similar string of unlikely event) who I have since spent the past 17 hours with....
Apologies if this seems like thread-rot, but I thought it was worth mentioning from a synchronicity POV, plus I've had a really fucking weird and cool past 36 hours, and no sleep......
But, in rely to the original question, I strongly suspect that it's precognition, or coincidence, or a combination of the two, (if you even believe there's a difference....) rather than actually causing the events, and that some form of protection ritual/meditation might help, as described above by various persons who I don't doubt have more experience/knowledge of these matters than I....
 
 
paw
19:37 / 18.01.02
i *think* theres a book by J.W Dunne about dreams predicting the future. It's available on amazon if thats any help.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
20:20 / 18.01.02
quote:
i *think* theres a book by J.W Dunne about dreams predicting the future.
It's available on amazon if thats any help.


"An experiment w/ time" iirc. supposed to be THE classic in the field, pretty much, but i've not read it.....
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:50 / 20.01.02


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paw
19:13 / 21.01.02
this makes me wonder about all the dreams i have about meteorites nuking the earth
 
 
bastl b
22:32 / 27.01.02
hi. I feel like saying that your first dream about the war, man/woman, it made me really gulp reading it. an extremely touching dream.

look, i don´t know if he approves but maybe, just maybe, you could go to www.comicon.com and look for rick veitch´s booth. (comicon.com is a comic convention which is online and all the exhibitors there have an on-line booth). now, what´s important here is that rick veitch is extremely immersed in what he calls dream work, he has published two graphic novels about his dream diary (excellent stuff but that´s not the point right now) and he really knows his shit and he dreamed about the challenger crash before it happened so he will know how you feel, I guess. maybe you could send him an e-mail, he´s a busy guy but maybe he can help you out and offr some insight on how to best deal with this.

all I feel like saying is go to sleep man. whatever. keep posting your dreams here, document them, communicate them, whatever works. don´t feel bad, man, it´s not your fault. what seems like a curse is maybe a gift.

all the best!
 
 
Rev. Jesse
23:17 / 27.01.02
Get a friggin dream catcher.
 
  
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