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COBRAnomicon!
16:30 / 27.08.04
I've been very Marvelocentric in my comics-reading, and would like to expand my interests into the other house. But all of the collective continuity is pretty daunting. What are the basic must-reads?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:28 / 27.08.04
I would say The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told (at least 2 volumes), The Greatest Superman Stories Ever Told, the Greatest Team-Up Stories Ever Told (has this been renamed Crisis on Multiple Earths, or is that a different book?) and if you have a lot of money and they're still available, the hardcover Archive edition reprints of the DC heroes' earliest stories is a good way of getting some sense of scope, 1930s-1990s, and a feeling of what these characters were like in the Golden and Silver Ages as well as more recently.

Some would recommend Arkham Asylum and The Killing Joke: I wouldn't, for reasons I could explain if asked. I would push Batman Year One and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns as absolute essentials for anyone interested in the character. Personally I would skip Batman Year Two, all the Knightfall (Batman's back is broken by Bane) and Death in the Family (phone vote to kill Jason Todd/Robin). stories. I also have no interest in more recent Gotham City continuity stuff like No Man's Land / Contagion / new Batgirl. I doubt any of those will stand out in 20 years as essential Batman titles, as I believe Year One and Dark Knight do now. I would personally suggest Hush as the best Batman graphic novel of the last five years or so.

I would also recommend Kingdom Come as a visual pleasure and something of a DCU landmark story, though it's outside official continuity (so is Dark Knight after all) but I think you can skip every other Batman: Elseworlds and probably every Superman: Elseworlds too for that matter, although there are some gems among the duds.

I guess anyone trying to understand the DCU had better read the collected CRISIS too, although I think the art looks dated and the story is melodramatic.

Though it's another quirky anomaly outside continuity, I would recommend Alan Moore's final Superman story, which I think is called "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", and also the collection "Across the Universe", which collects Moore's DCU tales: they are all really intelligent and inventive although they have little relevance to the universe as it currently stands. Moore's Swamp Thing is also, overall, a triumph and it does pull in -- and redefine -- a lot of major DCU characters along the way. (Although it's smug, irritating and pretentious in places, and like Swamp Thing becomes increasingly disconnected from the rest of the fictional universe, the Sandman series is important for DC in commercial terms at least.)

On the outskirts of continuity again I would suggest the collected volumes of Hellblazer, Shade the Changing Man, Animal Man and Doom Patrol. They only brush against the rest of the DCU but I think they are some of the most interesting and exciting work the company published during the late 80s and 1990s.

Finally I would recommend Grant Morrison's run on JLA, also published in collected volumes and spanning from, I think, around 1997-1999. His JLA: Earth Two is another out-of-continuity oddity but it's a fantastic self-contained story with the usual mind-bendingly good art from Frank Quitely.

Basically I've just told you my favourite DCU things (as far as I remember)...which might be of some help. If you'd like me to expand at all, I would be happy to.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
19:07 / 27.08.04
Thanks a lot for the suggestions... I've already gone off and made an Amazon order. But since you offered to expand, I guess I do have a couple of further questions:

1. Is there any way other than expensive hardcovers to read golden age Batman and Superman?

2. Why do you list Arkham Asylum and Killing Joke as nonessentials? When I was browsing around, I assumed Killing Joke would be pretty major, being an Alan Moore contribution.

3. Is there an easy way to find the running order of the Morrison JLA books, so as to read them in the correct sequence?

Thanks a ton.
 
 
LDones
20:03 / 27.08.04
Morrison JLA Books in proper order:

1. New World Order (Issues #1-4)
2. American Dreams (#5-9)
3. Rock of Ages (#10-15)
4. Strength In Numbers (#16-23)
5. DC One-Million (a crapload of #1,000,000 issues)
6. Justice For All (#24-33)
7. World War III (#34-41)
8. Earth-2 (standalone Morrison/Quitely goodness)

Morrison's JLA run is a savagely solid intro course to DCU functioning. It doesn't directly inform so much as it lets insane amounts of information entice you into learning it yourself. Absurd amounts of DCU events since he left have had origins in his JLA work.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:56 / 27.08.04
Thanks LDones for doing #3 as I don't own that run in trade paperback and it would have taken me ages.

1. Is there any way other than expensive hardcovers to read golden age Batman and Superman?

The "Greatest...Ever Told" books do have Golden Age stories in them. For instance, the first Batman volume runs with adventures from 1939, 1939, 1940, 1944, 1946, 1948, 1950, 1952, 1954... if I remember right, 1956 is considered the start of the Silver Age. But that's quite a big chunk of old-skool stories.

The Mark Cotta Vaz book Tales of the Dark Knight, a 50-year anniversary celebration, is quite light but does have decent reprints of old stories and gives you a good basic run thru Batman history.


2. Why do you list Arkham Asylum and Killing Joke as nonessentials? When I was browsing around, I assumed Killing Joke would be pretty major, being an Alan Moore contribution.



Well, this is just my taste and I know a lot of people would disagree with the former at least.

I think Arkham Asylum is Morrison's most over-hyped, overworked and overrated work. I think it's really laboured, with that self-conscious "look at me being dark and literary" feel about it that typifies the worst post-Watchmen superhero titles. The Joker makes sexual remarks about the Boy Wonder, Batman has complexes about his mother and the Mad Hatter drools about little girls (hey, comics aren't just for kids!). There are glossy front and end-papers sandwiching the story with clever-clever coffee-table material: an artsy architectual view of the building, a spooky collage of a rogues gallery, the Latin for bat, endless quotations from Lewis Carroll (hey, Alan Moore had lots of quotations, that's what makes it a graphic novel) Under all the cod references to psychoanalytic theory, and stripped of the tiresome flashbacks, the story is ploddingly linear and boring -- just a tour of the Asylum alongside Batman, with a new villain in a new cell introduced every few pages. Oh look, the lunatics have overtaken the asylum. Are they mad, or is it Batman. Ho-hum. Who will win, I wonder. Oh look it's Batman.

The art by McKean is equally showy, and equally hinders what should have been the basic aim of telling an engaging, exciting or interesting comic book story. Yeah it's really radical to have the Joker's script in some spidery hand-scrawl, but you can't frigging read it. Batman becomes a foggy wraith drifting from one panel to the next. Most of the images look like exactly what they are, portraits McKean worked up from photographs. If you're really lucky he sticks some lace or nails over the top and takes another photograph of it. Yeah it's pretty when it's a Sandman cover, but it doesn't make for dynamic visual storytelling.

Actually I think I've made this book sound more interesting than it really is. My advice: buy it for completion's sake, but pay no more than £10 maximum.

Killing Joke, as I understand it, was written before Watchmen, held over and published afterwards, in the wake of Moore mania when people genuinely were asking if he was God. I believe Moore himself said it was destined for a Batman annual, where it would have been a low-prestige but pleasantly surprising story. Instead it was released as the new graphic novel from Alan "Watchmen" Moore, the man who invented post-literary sequential art, pow wham comics aren't for kids anymore, etc etc.

Yes, Killing Joke redefined the graphic novel -- in that it was about the thickness of the average leaflet. It's not even a graphic novella. Storywise it's almost painfully reliant on the visual transition that Moore later refined in Watchmen, where he ends a scene on one image and starts it with a very similar, echoing image. It's also heavy on Moore's other big device from that period, where a caption from one scene overlays and dramtically/ironically "comments on" the image we're seeing. There's also some zoom in/pull out sequences -- start on a rippling puddle, camera moves back over 9 frames -- again very familiar from Watchmen. It's like this was Moore trying out and testing some storytelling ideas, which unfortunately were nothing new by the time this book reached the shops.

Bolland's artwork is pretty but stilted, each frame frozen. When he has to draw action like Batman leaping thru the air, the figures look like shop dummies suspended on wire -- so he falls back on that last resort, adding "whizz lines" around them because they just don't have any fluidity or movement to them.

The story is once again sadly typical of the "dark revisionist" superhero trend of the mid to late 80s -- that "grim'n'gritty" approach that Morrison explicitly tried to counter with his JLA. Comics like this contributed to a way of thinking that said superhero titles couldn't be "adult" unless they crippled and/or killed and ideally raped a sidekick, thus giving the protagonist motivation to get really bad-ass and do some killing of his own. Case in point: Mike Grell's The Longbow Hunters.

I don't know if this was the first "modern age" comic to give the Joker an official origin -- I seem to remember the specifics of it, with him wearing a red mask for a bungled burglary, were actually taken from a much earlier comic -- but the attempt to humanise Batman's arch-villain is interesting enough.

In continuity terms this comic is also "important" because its treatment of Barbara Gordon was never reversed and continues to effect both her and the Bat-mythos.

Again, what the hey, buy it because it's a key document of this particular trend in comic books. But I wouldn't spend too much on this one either.
 
 
Spaniel
22:06 / 27.08.04
COBRA, listen to Kovacs. The man is on the money, KJ and AA are dull, dull, dull for all the reasons he cites (and more).

DK, on the other hand, is absolutely essential, as is Year 1, and all Moore's DCU work, especially his Superman gumpf - Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow being the best of the bunch.
 
 
Simplist
22:11 / 27.08.04
5. DC One-Million (a crapload of #1,000,000 issues)

Just FYI, this has been rereleased as JLA: One Million.

Same book, though, no extras that I'm aware of.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:19 / 27.08.04
V I N D I C A T E D
 
 
Spaniel
22:31 / 27.08.04
Yep, get that too.
 
 
John Octave
22:34 / 27.08.04
Regarding Arkham Asylum: I agree with a lot of what Kovacs said. It does seem over-labored in places and has all of the self-conscious "dig how deep and literary this is" trickery of late 80s/early 90s British writing. Most of which Grant Morrison would probably apologize for today if you got on him about it. As such, when reading it as a narrative or story, I don't think it holds up well.

However: I find if you look at it as merely a collection of ideas, it can actually be quite entertaining. The "framing" of it is dull and has an obvious conclusion but there are several bits of it that are interesting to think about and pave the way for the later bits of "re-imagining" he would go on to do with JLA.

[SPOILERS for Arkham]

To wit: The doctor who tries to wean Two-Face off his binary decision making process (scarred side/clean side) by introducing him to dice and then a tarot deck; and that furthermore, his newfound ability to see shades of grey makes him hopelessly useless and indecisive. Neat idea, right? The theory that the Joker suffers from a "supersanity" that causes him to reinvent himself. Interesting way to look at it. Doc Destiny's "In dreams I walk with you" bit that's one of the coolest creepiest lines in comics ever. And my favorite bit, where you see little Brucie Wayne crying at Bambi and his parents tell him he's not allowed to cry; thus, it was not strictly his parents' murder which caused him to become Batman, but rather the conditioning his parents gave him: unable to express his grief in a healthy fashion, he is driven to become the obsessive, manipulative, controlling creature of the night.

[/SPOILERS for Arkham]

Grant's run on JLA is full of interesting little "What if we looked at this character THIS way..." vignettes, which is what makes it so interesting, I feel. Arkham Asylum has many similar bits, but without that fun day-glo wacky comic-bookery JLA has. The above fun, twisty looks at the characters encourage you to get your geek on, but the sombre packaging screams "Take me seriously!"

Oh, and as for essential trades...I really think Morrison JLAs are the best way to go, just because the book was written and designed to be your sort of one-stop shopping for the DCU. The continuity's not too thick to wade through for new people, but you may wanna Google "Johnny Thunderbolt" and get some background info on him so you won't be as lost as I was reading "Crisis Times Five!"
 
 
Benny the Ball
08:40 / 28.08.04
All the Swamp Thing books should be got. They are truely beautiful, and also feature Batman quite heavily in one of the later books (Murder of Crows I think, but that's off the top of my head so could be wrong).

Also Batman: The Cult is worth a look.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:46 / 28.08.04
Batman is mainly in Swamp Thing "Reunion" volume, the double-page special "Garden of Earthly Delights"... it is one of my favourite ever depictions of Batman. Resourceful, respectful, principled but not unbending; his logic and intelligence cutting through the dilemma as he chillingly points out how many precedents there are in the DCU for human/alien relationships. And the last exchange:

"Yes...I do believe...that you MIGHT."
 
 
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14:06 / 28.08.04
Yup, think I'd agree with Killing Joke not being that great, despite how lovely Bolland's work might look. I'll stick up for Arkham, though. Despite the shortcomings of McKean's work to tell the story, it is still quite beautiful.
Anyway, I was about to sift through my collection of DC trades and discovered that apart from Arkham, Watchmen, Doom Patrol and Dark Knight, I don't seem to have any! Surprised me a little...
Oh, no hang on, I do have a copy of Crisis OIE, but I would NOT recommend that to anyone but really big continuity geeks. It confuses much more than it elucidates, and the script is cack of the first order.
I second the Moore Swamp Thing trades, as they go into a lot of detail on the mystical side of the DCU, especially around the issue 50 tie-in. For the same reason, I would probably recommend the original four Books of Magic, but not any of the spin-offs. Sandman was great in its own way, but is so tangential to the DCU you can skip it if you just want a heads-up on what fits where...
 
 
■
14:08 / 28.08.04
and sorry, but Batman: The Cult is just pish.
 
 
Spaniel
15:37 / 28.08.04
Agreed.

JLA is the only run I would recommend because it does such a wonderful job of distilling the world of the DCU (and its characters).

Otherwise, just stick to the classics.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:07 / 28.08.04
Oh come on. KJ and AA are both head and shoulders above your average DCU piss. If you haven't read them I'd strongly recommend picking them up.
 
 
Simplist
16:53 / 28.08.04
...all of the collective continuity is pretty daunting. What are the basic must-reads?

Just to clarify before I go spouting off, are you looking specifically for books that will serve as primers bringing you up to speed on DCU history & continuity in the sense that, say, Marvel's Essentials volumes or the Marvel Legends series do? Or are you more asking simply what are the best books in terms of enjoyment, depth and overall narrative quality? Most respondents here so far seem to be going with the latter interpretation; the former would likely produce a somewhat different list, albeit with a lot of crossover...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:11 / 28.08.04
For early Batman, just wait until next year. DC announced they are starting a project to print all of the Batman stoires in chronological order in paperbacks next year. I don't they'll get much past 1945, but for a while, you'll be able to get all of the EARLLY good pulp stuff they did before Robin showed up.
 
 
Benny the Ball
21:37 / 28.08.04
I like The Cult, but I'm a big Bernie Wrightson fan.

Justice League: A New Begining is worth a look also, if only for a view of the lesser characters that float around the DCU.
 
 
Spaniel
00:11 / 29.08.04
Macgyver, you want a fight?
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:15 / 02.09.04
About George's JLA books...I recently picked up New World Order and American Dreams (second-hand comics shop on the Portobello Road in London, for £3 and £4, if anyone's interested in cheap comics), and was wondering about Superman suddenly turning into a being of pure energy between the two books...is that explained anywhere?
 
 
John Octave
12:44 / 02.09.04
I think that story is out in TPB as "Superman: Transformed" but I'm not sure. I've never read it. But the gist of it, as I understand it, is that, like, after Superman died and came back to life his powers were unstable or something and eventually they broke down and he went all electromagnetic and needed a "containment suit" which is that snappy blue and white number. And then a year later they brought him back to the standard look with, if I recall, almost no proper explanation. I think he stopped some invasion and as a reward from cosmic beings they "fixed" him or something. I could be talking completely out of my ass here, but I think I'm at least close.

So I guess the important thing is that not knowing what the hell is up with electric Superman shouldn't impair one's reading too greatly. Considering Grant got dealt not the greatest of hands (imagine you finally get to write Justice League and DC tells you "Oh, Superman has all different powers and doesn't look like Superman anymore"), he did a pretty good job using the new powers creatively, eh? Very sciencey and fun. My biggest impression reading them for the first time was "Hey, New Superman doesn't suck in this comic!"
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:58 / 02.09.04
Heh, I think one of the main reasons new Superman didn't suck was that he lost the foul mullet he sported in New World Order...
 
 
■
13:55 / 02.09.04
Dammit, I was all ready to finish the last Neal Stephenson, and now you all make me dig out my Morrison JLA's. Grr. Hadn't realised I had never read them the whole was through.
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:28 / 02.09.04
If memory serves, Superman split into two after going all electric, in a semi-homage to the old ‘Superman Red and Superman Blue’ story, and then re-merged and returned to the standard costume after defeating the Millennium Gods or Millennium Giants or something.
But I think Grant made quite a silk purse out of it with that bit of dialogue where people are talking about Superman’s hair as he arrives at the Watchtower sporting the new electric look.
Re-read JLA in order recently, and I think DC 1M is great and brave and all that, but not having read all of the linked issues and its reliance on you doing so kind of dented it a bit for me, like I was missing some of the story. Though the turnaround with the Knight Fragment is brilliantly done.
On the whole I prefer Rock of Ages, I think – ‘Desaad’ being revealed as … well, not Desaad, the ‘you and me’ team who kill Darkseid, and so many other bits are memorable, and it hangs together so tightly. Class…
 
 
John Octave
16:58 / 02.09.04
cloudstrife: agreed on the mullet. 80s-90s B and C list heroes having them I can write off as a sign of the times. When Nightwing had one, I was a bit distressed that one of Bruce's boys would get such an impractical haircut. But Superman? His yellow-sun-ehnaced super-fashion sense should have prevented him from even contemplating such a 'do.

(And it's entirely logical that Superman has this as-of-yet-unrevealed power. If all of his other senses are heightened, does it not follow that his fashion sense is as well? Of course it does.)
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:16 / 02.09.04
On the Batman tip, and as far as I know none of this stuff is out in trade paperback form, more's the pity, I still think Doug Moench's run back whenever it was in the early Eighties, I'm guessing ( back when Batman was still allowed to have girlfriends, ) and particularly the whole strange psycho-sexual drama Moench managed to sustain for what seemed like years to do with Catwoman, and especially, the jewel thief Nocturna ( key scene: " You've always loved women dark and dangerous, and so you've never loved women at all, " as she floated away in a hot air balloon, the rope ladder cut, ) is highly underrated. God knows what sales were like, but I remember being genuinely gripped. So when Moench got the sack for writing over-complicated storylines, which is as far as I can recall is what basically happened, it was a bit like The Smiths splitting up a few years later, except slightly worse, because Moench, old hippy though he was, seemed so in tune with Bruce Wayne's existential dilemna that he must have woken up some days and wondered who exactly he was, until, that is, he sat down to write. And so had years left in him, possibly decades. Compared to Doug Moench, Frank Millar, though great on The Dark Knight Returns, just looked like a bit of an arriviste, really.

However, it's a partisan stance, so as regards DM ( whose name, pathetically, I may not have even spelled correctly, ) and his general significance as it stands up these days, Kovacs, over to you.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:23 / 02.09.04
He wrote some shockingly bad Bat-comics in the early 90's. All that terrible 'Knightfall' bullshit. Unforgivable - comics at it's worst.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:04 / 02.09.04
Alex, I am very flattered by your passing the helm to me here but I think the only Moench I have is Red Rain and Bloodstorm, which were...reasonably entertaining way-out melodrama. A bit Batman-does-Scooby-Doo, although I thought the art was properly skewed and nightmarish. I read the former Elseworlds title with a can of the 9% lager that dossers down my way call "Goodnight", and drifted off halfway thru to vivid dreams about fangs.


I can't even find my copy of Knightfall. Maybe I threw it out in disgust.

My first-hand knowledge of Batman has sketchy patches, and during the 80s and 90s I mainly stuck to more prestige, "mature" Batman -- graphic novels and upmarket monthlies/maxi-series such as Long Halloween and LOTDK -- so I don't know much about the normal mainstream continuity titles.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
05:52 / 03.09.04
Mm. I must say I'm not too familiar with Knightfall, which doesn't sound too good. I was thinking more about Moench's stint in around about '84, '85, when I was a young shaver age just Thirty Six.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
06:41 / 03.09.04
...Grant got dealt not the greatest of hands...
Good grief, you're so right...I picked up Rock Of Ages yesterday, and was shocked to discover that Wonder Woman had died somewhere between AD and ROA...! What's next, Aquaman becomes hydrophobic and GL loses his ring down the back of the sofa between ROA and Strength In Numbers...?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:57 / 03.09.04
I dug out my bagged "Rock of Ages" because of this thread and was anticipating a widescreen rollercoaster of rock-n-roll heroism... but my God the artwork is awful.

Fancy explosion effects can't cover the utter lack of anatomical understanding. The JLA looks like a bunch of half-melted waxworks.

As has been said, it's a pretty second-string crew for what was meant to be a comic about immortals fighting world-threatening villains -- Connor Queen, Plastic Man, Aztek, Superman Blue -- but it's stil got GL, Batman and Luthor, I can't fathom why they would give a high-profile book of the DCU's biggest icons such a frankly incompetent art team.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
10:11 / 03.09.04
It's still a rocking good story though - the Apokalips episode alone contains more excitement than some entire runs.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:36 / 03.09.04
Having just finished "Rock of Ages", two observations unless someone has started or wants to start a Morrison-JLA thread:

1. the Joker in part 6 at least is entirely cribbed from The Killling Joke -- his puzzled remorse on p.27 is a lift from Bolland's page near the end ("It's all a JOKE! Everything anybody ever VALUED or STRUGGLED for... why aren't you LAUGHING?") and I'm sure the Joker in the top panel on p.28 is also taken from another source but I can't find it in Killing Joke. Not a bad thing to be heavily inspired by another comic or pay homage, but only just noticed it myself.

2. If Superman Blue is made up of light in a containment suit, what the f@ck is up with him having hair sprouting out of the top?
 
 
John Octave
23:50 / 03.09.04
Containment toupee?
 
  

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