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Repressed Memories/False Memories

 
 
Sekhmet
18:26 / 16.08.04
I have a conundrum to present to the august Barbelith community, and I think this may be where it belongs. If not, I bow to the whim of the moderators.

At issue is the question of trauma-induced memory repression, False Memory Syndrome, and the pros/cons of therapy versus some form of self-treatment.

Is it possible to unearth and process repressed memories on your own, or is therapy absolutely necessary? Would it be more harmful to have a therapist unwittingly plant a false memory if no trauma occurred, or to remain unaware of the trauma if it existed? Can false memories be self-inflicted? Is an outside perspective the only way to correctly discern the workings of the inner mind? Could some form of meditation or introspection suffice? Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to attempt to discern yourself whether you're whacked for a good reason, or to take your troubles to a professional and pay them money to convince you that you're whacked for a good reason...
 
 
Grey Area
19:45 / 16.08.04
Is it possible to unearth and process repressed memories on your own, or is therapy absolutely necessary?

Repressed memories can surface on their own. I believe this commonly referred to as a flashback, and generally requires an external stimulus that creates a link to the repressed memory.

A controlled unearthing is possible, but you'd have to be very disciplined...because you'd be fighting yourself, in a way. Your mind represses these memories for a reason, and you'd have to trick yourself into revealing the stimulus to yourself. This would be the first reason for me to recommend a therapist...the other being that a therapist has the experience to help you deal with the issues that surround the repressed memory. Simply recovering the memories is not the end of the matter. You need to deal with the reasons why they were repressed in the first place, and the effect a recollection will have on your psyche.

Can false memories be self-inflicted?

Certain psychoses result in false memories, yes. And people can indeed talk themselves into believing in a false memory. It is a way of coping with trauma and stress.

Is an outside perspective the only way to correctly discern the workings of the inner mind?

Again, I'd say that the first problem is that trying to understand your inner mind on your own is the fact that you'd be interrogating yourself. If you were trained in psychology, and had a very logical and rational mind, perhaps this would work. But I doubt it.

I hasten to add that I am not a psychologist/psychiatrist. So the little knowledge I have of this is what I've gleaned from the developmental psych texts I've studied. Someone with better knowledge may well blow all of what I have written out of the water...
 
 
Ria
00:25 / 17.08.04
you have to distinguish between false memories, or in this case a screen memory, memory placed in front of and to a hide another memory and a made-up memory of an event which never existed.

I do not know of a consensus as far as screen memories existing at all.

and you can definitely make up memories from nowhere and implant memories in others by means of stories as experiments have shown.

I have noticed that to describe an event in words fixes it and I find it hard or impossible to undo or un-remember the event just in that same way. the word version replaces or rather overwrites (apt choice of words) the non-verbal sensory version. you notice this if you write memoir or autobiography.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:35 / 18.08.04
Hmmm, IANA Psychiatrist, but isn't the theory that repressed memories are formed because of something which you are not able to deal with? Trying to sort these out on your own might not necessarily be a good idea...
 
 
Axolotl
11:08 / 18.08.04
Wikipedia has some good stuff on the whole repressed memories thing. Though I have no training in psychology I did end up studying it in relation to the whole satanic abuse scandal of the 80s and as far as I know the whole repressed memories thing was pretty much discredited after some serious criticisms of the methodology involved in "revealing" the repressed memories. This basically consists of telling someone they were abused, ignoring any denials as they just "prove" that the memory of abuse has been repressed.
This coupled with studies showing just how easy it is to convince someone that they have memories of an event that never happened pretty much discredited it all.
This however is the opinion of a layperson who hasn't done any recent research into the field so I may well be out of date.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:32 / 18.08.04
Exactly... It would seem that the theory of "repressed memories" is itself fairly controversial, to say nothing of the various methods used to "recover" them...

It makes sense, IMO, that a traumatic memory could be repressed - the mind does have its filters and defense mechanisms. However, there are also widespread allegations that "recovered" memories are often inadvertently constructed by a therapist and patient. A trauma experience is a convenient explanation for psychological problems, and if a phychiatrist notes a set of symptoms which seem characteristic of some type of trauma or abuse, they may become overzealous in their efforts to uncover such a cause. By suggesting such a cause, or insisting that the patient "remember", the therapist may end up implanting a "false memory" which is then built on collaboratively by the therapist and patient.

Alternatively, as Grey Area suggests, an individual may be able to convince hirself that a false memory is real, without the interference of a psychiatrist.

Given that memory is malleable, this also makes sense. So there's a problem: there may be both "real" and "invented" incidents of repressed memory. How to tell the difference? Some suggest the only way to verify a "recovered" memory is by third-party corroboration; what if there is no such witness, or the witness is unreliable (perhaps their memory has also been modified in some way), or the witness is the inflictor of the trauma or abuse and it is thus in their interests not to corroborate the memory?
 
 
Ria
14:20 / 21.08.04
we can convince ourselves of false memories.

firsthand I know about "repressed" memories. I do not know that I repressed it. more that the personality that I took on differed so much from most of the others that I have no access to it without changing back to that person.
 
 
7oak
02:02 / 15.09.04
Dr. Elizabeth Loftus has done some amazing research into the subject of recovered memories. Through her work, she's shown that it's almost laughably easy to influence people's recollection of memory, as well as create entirely fallacious memories.

I don't believe she's saying that repressed memory is an impossible phenomenon; but the ease with which such remembrance can be influenced/created is (from what I've read of her research) really sort of frightening.
 
  
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