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Atlantic Hurricane Season 2005/2006

 
  

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Ganesh
20:33 / 11.09.05
Oh dear, my passifloras aren't gonna like that.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:35 / 11.09.05
I'm a little worried about the lack of sunlight my hydrangea's going to experience.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:42 / 11.09.05
Should be handy for the vampire community, though.
 
 
Mazarine
23:16 / 11.09.05
Yeah, my fiance explained the technicalities of England actually becoming Greenland Mini. I guess you really are safe from hurricanes.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
12:23 / 12.09.05
Just spoke to my father in the N.C. Outer Banks and he seemed very nonplussed about Ophelia. Not planning any evacuations but will if necessary. Said the water was too choppy in Hatteras for his weekend fishing trip.
It's funny to me how different areas are so different. If Katrina had hit the O~B, the smaller population and the general ruralness and the hardiness of those people would have surely contributed to a much less disastrous outcome. I doubt island people would be that bothered about whether the gov't was intersted in their well being or not. Hard to articulate.
I think I give up.
 
 
Sekhmet
12:59 / 12.09.05
This could be interesting... I have a good friend who trained a while back as a FEMA contractor, and he just got called up. He has to report in Houston tonight and then he'll be dispatched somewhere, but he doesn't know where, or for how long, or anything. Makes it very hard to plan your life when they won't give you that sort of info, you know?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:16 / 12.09.05
Judging by their organisation so far I'm guessing they haven't told him because they don't know where he's going yet.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:20 / 12.09.05
That's our guess, too.

I'm not sure whether to be more worried about him getting injured in rubble, shot by looters, or simply lost by FEMA...
 
 
grant
14:53 / 19.09.05
Lilly: The good news is that Algiers is now opened by the mayor and seems to have been spared all of the worst of the damage.

The bad news is that Rita is now bound for the Gulf. It looks like it'll hit somewhere between Brownsville and Galveston, but you never really know.

I can't remember the last R hurricane. Was there a Robert (roe-bear) a few years back?
 
 
Mazarine
15:02 / 19.09.05
Seriously. We're running out of alphabet.

Though I must admit, when I saw hurricane Phillipe, the first thing I thought of was Achewood.
 
 
Mazarine
15:06 / 19.09.05
Hey Lilly- your dad okay?
 
 
grant
20:44 / 19.09.05
I just saw a picture of Rita on the news, and its radius appears to be larger than the distance between Galveston and New Orleans. And they're predicting it'll be a Category 3 storm in the middle of the Gulf by Wednesday.

This means that New Orleans is, at least, going to get some fringey tropical storm weather, and at worst (on the current trajectory) probably the equivalent of a category 1 storm on Friday.

It'll definitely be *rainy*.

Anyone interested in taking bets as to whether we'll run out of letters this year? Season lasts till November....
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:07 / 19.09.05
They seem to be rolling along pretty fast... if you get to the end of the alphabet does it start again or do you get Hurricane , and Hurricane %?
 
 
Tim Tempest
21:09 / 19.09.05
How many "Q" names can you come up with? The only one I can think of is "Quinn".
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:30 / 19.09.05
Queenie?

Obviously my imagination is lacking today, that's actually all I can come up with and it's a bit pre-End Blyton.
 
 
Mazarine
22:12 / 19.09.05
According to MSNBC, they start going to Greek letters. If we get to Hurricane Omega, yes, the world's ended.
 
 
subcultureofone
22:39 / 19.09.05
quit? quite enough? qwerty?

i have a nephew named quentin. he is five. we do not want a hurricane quentin. though he is very adorable, it's still not a good idea.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:37 / 20.09.05
Qalyn.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:41 / 20.09.05
Oh dear christ how the hell did I miss that name? Granny's going to be so sad.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
13:03 / 20.09.05
Thanks for the inquiries about my silly ole hurricane family. Dad is fine, not bothered in the least.
Mom is heading back to her home to see what the looters left today, hope to hear from her soon.
Metcheck http://www.metcheck.com has a lot of little info bits about how hurricanes are named. I think they only use four more names this year before going greek. Something like that.
 
 
grant
13:55 / 20.09.05
Yes, they skip Q, U, X, Y and Z names. We have Stan, Tammy, Vince and Wilma left to go -- which totally sounds like it should be an old country band. (Vince plays pedal steel.)

What I'm having trouble finding is what's the furthest down the list they've ever gotten before.

Ah, the NOAA has a great FAQ page.

(*) As a footnote, 1933 is recorded as being the most active of any Atlantic basin season on record (reliable or otherwise) with 21 tropical storms and hurricanes.



With a diagram! We haven't broken 20 since 1944, when they started naming them -- the two highest years were 1969 and 1995 (18 and 19 named storms respectively).

On today's list, 21 storms would bring us to Wilma.

-----

My favorite bit of hurricane trivia on that site is this etymology.

They say the word comes from the Carib god of evil, Hurican, who in turn is probably based on the Mayan god Hurakan, "one of their creator gods, who blew his breath across the Chaotic water and brought forth dry land and later destroyed the men of wood with a great storm and flood."
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:03 / 20.09.05
I suspect that hurricane Quentin would start off pretty well, and look initially quite threatening, before getting distracted by whatever freak weather conditions do for fun in the evening, and then fizzling out ignominiously, having not achieved very much.

Now hurricane Quimper, on the other hand...
 
 
alas
16:23 / 20.09.05
Hurricane Quimper

and if the world ended on it, it would definitely not be with a bang. Eliot would be so pleased.
 
 
Quantum
16:35 / 20.09.05
You people suck at thinking of names beginning with a Q.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:39 / 20.09.05
Yeah, but Hurricane Quantum would be, by definition, infinitesimal. And my meteorology's for shit, but I'm not sure if that would count as a hurricane. Sorry, and everything, but...
 
 
Quantum
16:43 / 20.09.05
It would in fact be discrete, and possibly uncertain. Probably caused by some fractal butterfly in China somewhere.
 
 
electric monk
16:49 / 20.09.05
fractal butterfly

in a timesuit.
 
 
grant
18:48 / 21.09.05
SATELLITE PICTURE OF RITA.

A MAN NOTICES... ahem. Sorry.

I've noticed that this storm, now a Cat 4 and apparently heading for Cat 5, is wide enough that its eastern edge is even with Key West and its western edge is even with the tip of Louisiana's boot.

That means it's roughly 10 degrees of longitude across (although strongest only in the middle -- about a quarter of that distance).

Notice also that there's a mass of messy, rainy stuff off to the northeast of the storm, which is the usual way of these things.

The center of the storm currently headed for the north side of Matagorda, which is just south of Galveston... and about five degrees of longitude west of New Orleans... which is going to get the rainiest quadrant of the the storm.
 
 
*
20:23 / 21.09.05
Speculation on effects and response? I'm willing to bet response in Texas is a little better, which will lead many people to claim that the BS Admin has learned from its mistakes, as opposed to point out that they just care more about Texas.

Can this actually damage New Orleans more, or will it just rinse off the rubble a little? Is there any infrastructure left to evacuate the remaining people with? or is that city, and all its remaining inhabitants, just to be written off?

Can a disaster on that scale happen anywhere closer to Rita's eye, or is the topography of New Orleans to blame for this special case?
 
 
grant
20:51 / 21.09.05

Speculation on effects and response? I'm willing to bet response in Texas is a little better


Well, they've already got troops in the area, so yeah.
(Galveston is around 6 hours' drive from NO.)


Can this actually damage New Orleans more, or will it just rinse off the rubble a little?


Well, they've just finished repairing the levee breaks. A storm surge of less than 3 ft. (I think the mayor said this morning) will be enough for the river to top the levees again, causing more levee damage and flooding the city in new places as well as reflooding the areas they've just drained. And then there's the repairs that've just been made to power poles, water mains and gas lines... those that *have* been repaired, as opposed to those that haven't been dry long enough to fix.

It'll be a setback.


Is there any infrastructure left to evacuate the remaining people with? or is that city, and all its remaining inhabitants, just to be written off?



I doubt they're writing off New Orleans -- it's already attracting big money land speculators.

I also don't think Rita's winds will be a major component of any disaster in New Orleans, unless it jogs north a few miles (which can happen).

Can a disaster on that scale happen anywhere closer to Rita's eye, or is the topography of New Orleans to blame for this special case?

On that scale? Hard to say. If a Cat 5 storm hits directly on Galveston, it'll be wiped clean in a way New Orleans wasn't -- the wind and the storm surge will simply topple buildings and sweep them off the island. But Galveston is nowhere near as large as New Orleans.

Houston, on the other hand, is just on the other side of Galveston, and is a major metropolis -- and is already overburdened with refugees from New Orleans. If they can't get bussed out in time, and the storm maintains a Cat 4/Cat 3 strength that far inland (which could happen, I think, depending), there will be lots of unpleasantness, especially in the weeks after the storm when the power's out, the phones don't work and not all the highways are passable. Starvation, heat stroke, septicemia, looting.

I remember cruising around looking for food after Frances last year, and it was pretty post-apocalyptic -- that was glancing blow from a Cat 3 storm. Some parts of Houston would probably be OK, but others would be a real mess.

Thinking of topography, too, it's not like it's below water level and surrounded by water, but it's not very high ground, either. East Texas is pretty swampy... flooding? Yeah, some. Not like New Orleans, but not something that'll run off in a couple hours.
 
 
Tim Tempest
20:54 / 21.09.05
Cripes, there has been so many damn hurricanes this year...it's like they're in heat.
 
 
*
21:39 / 21.09.05
These people seem pretty confident.
 
 
grant
09:44 / 22.09.05
So did people in Oviedo before Charley.
 
 
grant
10:15 / 22.09.05
Or people in Kendall before Andrew.

This sounds a bit glib from me, and I don't think those folks are necessarily going to go through anything more than a couple days without a fridge or lights and maybe some spotty phone connections.

But with a Cat 5 storm anywhere in the area, there's no real guarantees. Charley was 4, and it plowed across the middle of the state. 100 mile an hour winds over Orlando after coming in from the southwest. How many miles are between Punta Gorda and Orlando?
 
 
grant
14:16 / 22.09.05
Galveston to Houston is 45 miles, some of it over a bay.

Punta Gorda to Orlando is 120 miles.

If I seem a little intense on this one it's because, well, that friend of mine who lives (lived?) in New Orleans? He's really a *brother* of a close friend, a guy I've known since third grade (our dads went to university together), introduced me to my wife, best man at my wedding, surfing buddy, etc. etc.

He just bought a house in Galveston. He works for the university there.

On September 8, 1900, Galveston was the site of the deadliest disaster in American history. Over 8,000 killed by a single, unnamed hurricane. They just call it "The Great Storm."

They estimate that was a Category 4 storm.

My friend is, as I write this, sitting in the Houston airport after spending the night there, waiting to leave.
 
  

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