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Protection Spells

19:00 / 12.08.04

I have been given ample reason to believe that I will be the target of some sort of mystical curse, of the Voodoo variety, and considering that I am Hatian myself, I'm not taking it lightly. Can anyone give me some advice or instruction as to what I can do to protect myself?

20:40 / 12.08.04

Well id propably try meditating by chanting this "namu amida butsu". Invoking the Amida Buddha, who should keep you calm and safe.

Also good to try invoking Ganseh as well

"om vinayaka sidhhi vinayaka".

Hopefully that should help you remain calm. Ganseh is there as a warning if spirits are called.

Or my own personal method (which ive used anumber of times ) is what i call the armour of Tao. Imagine yourself wraped in a translucant almost silver skintight second skin, calm yourself , and believe that it comes from the primodial Tao(universe etc). If anything astral attacks or provokes you , YOU MUST NOT RETALIATE. The armour reflects and returns the attackers to the point of origin.

22:45 / 12.08.04

No disrespect to ozymandus (those sound like good suggestions), but it might be appropriate to make the protection fit the curse - meet Vodou with Vodou.

I'm no great authority myself, but I've seen Mambo Racine Sans Bout give advice on similar matters (on the elist she moderates), and I suspect that one of the first things she would suggest is to enlist the aid of your ancestors. Her website has a good introduction to the role of the ancestors in Vodou here, and basic instructions for feeding them here.

Your ancestors love you, and they can help you - they have some power themselves to protect you, and they can help you find what else you need to do.

It sounds as though you have some idea who is cursing you, yes? It may be possible to send it back on them. Would you mind sharing a little more detail (either here or via PM)?

Meanwhile, I'm sure there are others here who can help, too.

Take care,

~L

09:01 / 13.08.04

Will PM you. Ozymandyus' solutions good for most instances, but probably not for something like this. However worth doing anyway to calm yourself and keep the fear under control. Which is important. Ancestor stuff good. Won't neccesarily solve the problem, but good anyway. Worth having them onside in times of trouble. Important thing is to Keep Calm. Don't Panic. Fear is the mind killer, etc...

15:12 / 17.08.04

There are plenty of techniques that you can pick up from the net, or from books. Goto a Psipog website for psychic shielding tips, find a godform to invoke, create a servitor for self-defence, etc... Don't let it get to you, put a mirror-spell (either with foil or mirrors with their names on it) on them, bind them to whatever, there are countless things to do - use your brain. Combat is not worthwhile use it as last resort the counter-effects psychicly are not nice, that is, if you blast with martial fervour be prepared for a possible counter-blast, it can get stoopid. Do you know these people, are you a practitioner yourself??

07:40 / 18.08.04

I'd go to a pro, rather than try and fight magic against magic myself, if I was as green as you suggest you are. Then again, I'd just kick the shit out of them and break their toys. I believe in combating the occult with the mundane, Evil Dead style. Come get some!

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18:26 / 18.08.04

Since it hasn't been mentioned here, I'll lay out another possiblity...

Consider the possibility that magic is actually a bunch of bollocks. Imagine your enemy's "curse" as a belief that gets transmitted to like-minded "transponders," or people who also believe in curses. If you can successfully believe that curses are entirely psychosomatic (read up on this possibility to help feed the belief) then the curse won't manifest for you, just like a radio signal won't come in unless you've tuned your radio to it.

That way, you are nice and invisible to the curse until you can get someone to take care of the lingering reverberations (if there are any) and tune the belief in magic in again loud and clear.

18:33 / 18.08.04

Um, at the risk of sounding like an asshole, I'd maybe think long and hard about WHY I am being cursed. It sounds to me like you're afraid a particular person IS cursing you, and if so...well, you know, it's just not the kind of thing people usually do for no reason. What brought it on? Can you possibly, I dunno, UNDO whatever it is you did that pissed whomever off so badly?

08:55 / 19.08.04

Quto "Since it hasn't been mentioned here, I'll lay out another possiblity...

Consider the possibility that magic is actually a bunch of bollocks. Imagine your enemy's "curse" as a belief that gets transmitted to like-minded "transponders," or people who also believe in curses. If you can successfully believe that curses are entirely psychosomatic (read up on this possibility to help feed the belief) then the curse won't manifest for you, just like a radio signal won't come in unless you've tuned your radio to it.

That way, you are nice and invisible to the curse until you can get someone to take care of the lingering reverberations (if there are any) and tune the belief in magic in again loud and clear."

If that were the case then , the bliss out technique's I suggested would propably work . (From a psychosomatic point of few it has been proven that meditation releases a could deal of endoprphins and deeper meditation will induce a bliss out session!)

The radio frequency idea would also nulled as you begin to tune into everything. The old addage of hiding a leaf in a forest comes to mind.

However what i do know of the Vodou (sorry i've if mistyped). The real practioners delt with the problem of non belife some time ago and its sadly no real defence.

As for an expert GL's on the case and i dont think you could be in safer hands there .

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19:42 / 25.08.04

The radio frequency idea would also nulled as you begin to tune into everything. The old addage of hiding a leaf in a forest comes to mind.

However what i do know of the Vodou (sorry i've if mistyped). The real practioners delt with the problem of non belife some time ago and its sadly no real defence.

You seem to be assuming one will "begin to tune into everything." Which sounds like some kind of Taoist enlightenment instead of just tuning a belief out into skeptical disbelief.

Can you provide some evidence for your claim about real practitioners and the power of skepticism? Which real practitioners are you referencing?

20:58 / 25.08.04

Well actually yes it does come from a Taoist belief, but my theory (for that’s all it is) is taking it from the opposite of yours. An individual is more likely to operate on a specific learnt (if we for instance work on the idea that reality is a multi layered mass of multi resonance energy rather then just matter and energy ) an enlightened in tuned person is very unlikely to be affected by psychic, psychologically based or otherwise forms of attack . The idea of enlightenment being your mental state is so wide and open it has returned to the primordial. And would be like trying to drown an ocean. My solution was to simply suggest how to bring about a state of calm like that described as the Zen-no mind state or the "in the zone" as it’s also caused.

The frequency theory can be compared to a scientific counter part (radio engineers for instance) (I should really have put skilled practioners ). The premise being they scan the ether for the correct frequency (remember here the brain from a scientific paradigm transceivers at 7-8 Hz). A favoured or familiar item to an intended "victim" is used maybe to attune ones self to them. Skilled practioners of any magical systems are adept at imposing their will’s on to immediate reality . As are charismatic and manipulative people (like illusionists re. debunkers as well as side show mediums etc).

Once a targeting solution is acquired away goes the etheric missile. (Maybe it ties in with quantum theory and the idea of atoms appearing in multiple locations simultaneously?)

From a Taoist point of view I believe that all these exist at once, but avoid adhering to a set frequency hopefully making myself a hard target. Even a sceptical belief is a belief (your assumed belief that its nonsense backed by your current reality tunnel). As for evidence sadly I think anyone would be very hard pressed to produce any form of objective imperial data to prove in either direction.
I merely have anecdotal evidence at best.

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18:52 / 26.08.04

What exactly did you mean by this osymandus:

An individual is more likely to operate on a specific learnt (if we for instance work on the idea that reality is a multi layered mass of multi resonance energy rather then just matter and energy ) an enlightened in tuned person is very unlikely to be affected by psychic, psychologically based or otherwise forms of attack .

Your idea of protection for a curse is to suddenly attain enlightenment? That sounds about as practical as an overnight training of a band of Bonobo monkeys to be loyal 24 hour bodyguard/sharpshooters.

Look osymandus, your suggestion seems very good should a person invest the time to pursue Taoist and Buddhist methods. I personally find many of them top notch and worth every nanosecond of consideration. But taking into account the perceived impending doom looming about panthergod, I would personally be more inclined towards a faster way. I read once that Tantra was the fastest way to enlightenment, but even Tantra takes quite some time.

I'm offering another possibility that could also work for the worried inquisitor.

While the nature of my suggestion can easily be taken to mean that I believe magic to operate and exist in the realm of imagination and perceptual processes whose actual effect outside of the mind seems inconsequential and coincidental at best, this does not preclude me from having seemingly incongruous systems of believing in magic at the same time. Nor anyone else for that matter.

Just as belief has powerful effects, so does belief in skepticism. I see no reason to restrict myself to one or the other about any given thing...

Anyhoo, if you, panthergod, would give us an update on any developments I would be most thankfully entertained.

20:48 / 26.08.04

Mine was only ever a suggestion . And I wasnt advocating obtaining englightenment, there have been references to spontanious englightenment occuring . My medatative ideas were to calm. You seem to ignore the mantras for Ganesha and the Amida buddha ?

Also why the hostility ? Their just suggestions . Im not forcing anyone to do anything .

As I pointed out (though the late night posting propably was as coherant as it should be), disbeliefe is also a beliefe system . Its really an excersion of will on the part of the individual . I suggested meditation so that panthergod (if s/he hadnt already ) could just stop and remember to breath.

As for monkeys, id just get them to stick to typewriters .

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03:17 / 27.08.04

Not intending to come across as hostile, I suppose I did ignore the mantras...

And we're in complete agreement about disbelief, unless you're being sarcastic in hopes to bait me into argument. Which as much as I would enjoy, might cause a moderiterater a bit of irritate-uh-lation.

Another suggestion to protect thine behind from cursification might fall under the cat uh gory of humor, which ironically enough might just get me cursed... Yeah, so there was this guy who might have been a doctor, or maybe I'm just adding that cause I can't remember the story precisely, anyway, he gets cancer and "treats" himself with something like Marx Brothers and whatnot and laughs his ass off for weeks. And of course the cancer went away, which if looked at critically has the same core features of a protection spell acting on a curse. That is, until you read the follow up about how five years later the cancer comes back as a mutant humor-resistant strain and snuffed the life out of his funny little ass - ok, no, I did add that last part on purpose...

I'll get the reference for the humor treatment if anyone would like to look deeper into it, otherwise I'll continue to babble on until I run out of steaminess...

Yeah, so I'm feelin kinda dry... and hot... *strikes a model pose* like a tea kettle that's been boiling too long...

12:06 / 27.08.04

A curse that only effects people who believe in its effectiveness, or are aware that it's been put on them, is a pretty rubbish curse, surely?

13:20 / 27.08.04

And just really auto-suggestion on the part of the curser !

I did used to believe cursing was just that , sadly ive found its not the case . However its not to say the disbelief of an afflicted person could to be used as an expression of their will to counter it(thought it would be like a bare knuckle fighter taking on a Shoaling monk of about 20 years experince, theres a chance the bare knucklers going to win but unlikley !)

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18:22 / 28.08.04

Well Gypsy L, perhaps the curse in question has little power if any. The most ill effects in such a case likely would come from worrying about a curse manifesting... or even worse: believing that a powerful curse is manifesting when it's actually a weak one. The worst of an amateur curse or even an expert who merely made an oversight, might come to pass as an uncomfortable time on the toilet. But if said cursee believes that something quite horrid will and must come to devastate hir then by virtue of self-fulfilling prophecy hir chances of unfortunate circumstances increase tenfold due to the elaborate way people unconsciously arrange things to coincide with their expectations.

Sure, panthergod probably should make sure the curse gets dispersed if it isn't made of a thin constitution already. How to tell the potential strength of a given curse? I'd get in contact with the curser, which some deft fellow already suggested, and do some detective work myself.

20:13 / 28.08.04

I would agree that it’s all entirely dependent on who you’re dealing with, what they’ve got in their bag, and what it is specifically that’s coming your way. There is no one size fits all solution. It’s one thing if it’s a curse put on you by a 16 year old goth kid with a collection of Black Sabbath records and a couple of books on chaos magic, it’s quite another if it’s a curse placed on you by a 78 year old Vodou Bokor with a lifetime of experience and excellent relationships with the Powers…