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Is Sir Miles the Invisibles' Kenneth Grant?

 
 
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02:35 / 10.08.04
One thing I like about "The Invisibles" is how much bizarre stuff it riffs off from. Before I read "The Invisibles" I knew nothing about people like Philip K. Dick or Robert Anton Wilson, so it was pretty cool to read those guys later and see where GM lifted some of his ideas (like in "valis", how Nixon is referred to "The King of Tears", and stuff like that). It seems that the more one reads the shit that inspired the comic, the more sense it all starts to make (and reading people like Grof and McKenna definetly help, trust me!)

As I've said many times before Sir Miles was one of my favorite characters from "The Invisibles". Over six months or so (at great expense!) I've been collecting many books by Kenneth Grant (Invisible fans should know that Grant's books were an inspiration for the Invisibles... GM says so himself)! To my surprise it seems GM lifted a heck of a lot of stuff out of Grant's books... In fact, Sir Miles "seems" to almost be modeled after Kenneth Grant himself!!!!

Before I point out the comparisons, a few quick facts on grant for the non-occult readers here:

He was one of Crowley's last students, was once a member of the OTO before forming his own branch in the 50's (the New Isis Lodge) and later the Typhonian OTO. Obsessed in the writings of H.P. Lovecraft (I'm not exagerating either). Best known for his Typhonian Trilogies, nine (expensive) occult books well known for their out-and-out bizarre contents (endless "germatria" digressions, hundreds of footnotes, rambling arguments, Lovecraftian weirdness, dodgy interpretations of the "Book of the Law", strange illustrations, qabalistic wordgames and all hell else). I highly recommend them, they can be difficult to read but they're all fascinating and reading one does put one in a very odd headspace... Forget the "Necronomicon" you can buy at any Barnes & Nobles or Borders, this stuff really does capture that Lovecraftian vibe!

Comparisons between the two:

Both are old.
Both are British.
Both were involved in the OTO (though Grant claims he's still the head of it to this day).
Both are unhealthingly obsessed with H.P. Lovecraft.
Both are trying to open a gate to let the Great Old Ones into our universe.
Both servants of forces from "The Reverse of the Tree of Life" or "The Abyss".
Both come across as very dry and don't seem to have much of a sense of humor.

I'm not sure if Sir Miles looks like Kenneth Grant as I've never seen a picture of Grant (trust me, I've googled!)

Of course, there are some differences (for example, Kenneth Grant doesn't believe in killing people, though quite a few of the magicians who joined his lodge died or went insane) and he is also obsessed with Maat, LAM and Set (three deities Sir Miles doesn't seem to care all that much about). Still, these are pretty interesting connections, I think.

Also of note:

GM recommends "Outside the Circles of Time" as Kenneth's best book. I'm not sure about that but I can see it was a huge influence on "The Invisibles": For example, according to Grant Oppenheimer's Manhattan experiment opened a door that let forces from Outside enter our universe; That one must "become a monster" to serve the "Forgotten Ones" (though it was actually Frater Nema who coined the term "Forgotten Ones"... as for "becoming a monster" just look at that scene between Miles and tarquin in Volume 3).

My favorite Grant book (of the 6 I've read, that is the first two Typhonian trilogies) is "Hecate's Fountain", which includes, among other things, rants about the "Kings of the Earth returning to assume the throne" and also descriptions of magic rituals conducted by Grant's own New Isis Lodge in the 50's and 60's (I believe these were what GM was referring to when he said that interested readers should look into Kenneth Grant's books to see what Miles, Tom and Mab were up to in the 50's... If this is true they were up to some weird shit!) The rituals described are mad... Baboons vanishing, live Vodou paintings, Hecate vomiting frogs, slugs having sex with lodge members, priestesses being consumed by Yog-Sothoth, another priestess sucking off a giant bat/squid thing in a crypt, another priestess being raped in an aquarium by giant phallic tentacles (h'mm, looks like New Isis Lodge didn't just transmit radiations from the "tenth" planet Isis, they also created hentai!).
 
 
The Natural Way
12:07 / 10.08.04
I'm familiar with Grant, but I've never really looked into his stuff too deeply; so cheers for the info, Sypha. Cool.
 
 
illmatic
13:26 / 10.08.04
There's a photo of KG in - oh gawd what's it called - Beyond the Mauve Zone ("Be thankful they didn't send the Men in Mauve") if you're curious, Sypha. As well as some photos of 'im in his younger days in Remembering Aleister Crowley
 
 
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14:23 / 10.08.04
Yeah, well when I get that one one day I'll check it out. Actually, I kinda wonder what Peter J. Carroll looks like too, as I've never seen a picture of him around either.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:49 / 10.08.04
they also created hentai

Hahahah. This was great!
 
 
Benny the Ball
15:20 / 02.11.04
Did a search on Grant on amazon, and at the library - the Morrison recommendation is going for the tidy sum of 270 or something, and the library said that all their books by him has been stolen...spooky!

Anyone know of anywhere in London worth looking? I know that there is the book shop on one of the alley's near Leicester Square (can't think of name) near Gaby's Deli (great Falafalls there, by the way) so will check there, as they really know their stuff, but any where else?
 
 
Mark Parsons
05:59 / 04.11.04
The spiritual-occult bookstore you are looking for is Watkins, I believe. I've been in LA for eight years, so memory fails. I on Cecil Court. Near the square, but across the street. There's loads of bookstores on one or two alleys. Great rare books and prints, etc. I reccomend a browse of the entire area.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
10:52 / 04.11.04
It's Atlantis Books, owned by a guy named Watkins (distant relative of mine actually...) Sir Miles visits it in Vol. 3 and buys the Psuedonomicon and the R'yleh Text.
I was looking to get into KG myself, anybody care to provide a top 3?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
21:10 / 04.11.04
Err… Watkins is a very different shop from Atlantis. Watkins on Cecil Court, Atlantis on Museum Street, and Treadwells Curiosity Shop on Tavistock Street.

I’d place Mad Tom/Freddie as a closer Kenny G analogue, rather than Sir Miles, cos I think its fairly clear that the OTO group they were all involved in during the 50s was meant to be a thinly veiled version of the New Isis Lodge and Frederick Seaton was in charge of it. Casting him in the Kenneth Grant role. “That monstrous man… Seaton…” or whatever the quote is. But y’know, it’s just a comic and Grant M is just a magically inclined comics writer drawing on this material for his fiction… As far as I’m aware Kenneth Grant never pushed blue mold onto teenage scousers, stood as a member of parliament, or participated in LSD experiments for the BBC.

Of his books that are currently in print, Cults of the Shadow is probably as good a place to start as any.

Did a search on Grant on amazon, and at the library - the Morrison recommendation is going for the tidy sum of 270 or something, and the library said that all their books by him has been stolen...spooky!

The fact that the out of print ‘Outside the Circles of Time’ sells for £270, and the fact that it has also been stolen from your local library, couldn’t possibly be related could they? Surely some sinister occult conspiracy must be at work…
 
 
Benny the Ball
22:04 / 04.11.04
Lantern, your calling him Kenny G has just made me unable to take anything serious for the next few hours - I keep picture a strange, curly haired jazz man taking part in magickal sermons...
 
 
hashmal
23:12 / 06.11.04
"Did a search on Grant on amazon, and at the library - the Morrison recommendation is going for the tidy sum of 270 or something, and the library said that all their books by him has been stolen...spooky!"

spooky? occult books always get lifted from libraries. it's bloody annoying. i can't believe people are still going on about grant's books being hard to get hold of. aren't the skoob reprints readily available? a local 'new age' shop here usually has at least a couple of his books in at a time and they're no more expensive than other occult books. is it starfire who are re-releasing them all soon anyway? i'm still waiting for bloody bertiaux to put out the updated voodoun gnostic workbook. bloody occult writers just seem concerned with projecting a trendy hard to get cause im so scary and dark glamour than actually putting something worthwhile out into the public arena. just make the shit available you miserable bastards and stop fucking us around. do they want to get paid or not?
 
  
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