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I, Robot

 
 
sleazenation
13:33 / 06.08.04
Surprised that this didn't turn up for discussion before, but since it opens this weekend in the UK and is already out in the States, I was wondering what people thought.

Does it bear ANY resemblance to Issac Assimov's story? More importantly, is it any good?
 
 
cusm
14:41 / 06.08.04
I can tell its not I, Robot from the trailers. That was more setting and quirky logic puzzle mysteries leading up to some creepy social commentary about man's eventual loss of control to his own creations.

But I've heard it is based more on a series of detective stories he wrote in the same setting that I haven't read myself. Anyone with more detail?
 
 
electricinca
17:56 / 06.08.04
Haven't seen it yet but if it is as you say also somewhat based upon a series of detective stories set in a similar period then it's probably the Elijah Bailey books.
Caves of Steel
The Naked Sun
The Robots of Dawn

Though they were not as action packed as the trailer seems to suggest the movie is.
 
 
Triplets
01:44 / 07.08.04
I've seen it: It rocked my face like a celluloid hurricane.

Plot: Solid, there's no glaring inconsistencies through the film that distract you. The pacing is about write following the basic Exposition-Action-Exposition formula most of the way through.
Twist: The twist in the 3rd act was telegraphed more than a boxing glove with 'Destination: Your Face' written on it. However, I was paying a lot of attention to the foreshadowing early on so that probably helped.

Set Pieces: The hunt for Sonny in the assembly room was appropriately tense filled, the tunnel highspeed brawl was fucking ace and reminded me of the Agent Smith Burly Brawl. But done right. The storming of the city and the later 'Siege of USRobotics' were done really well.

I REALLY liked the 'camera rotating the world on its axis' effect used in the final two action scenes, but I can see how it'd be a bit motion-sicky for others.

Characters: Will Smith is fairly likeable although he comes as a weird mix of Agent J and Columbo throughout and not really finding a comfortable balance between the two. He does the 'persecuted, paranoid disbeliever' pretty well tho. Doctor Calver [sidekick/love interest] as played better, dropping her temparature enough to reach the necessary level of frostyness for her vulcan-like nature.

Sonny the renegade robot, is a particularly lovely character. Vunerable, sweet, charming, and utterly terrifying at the same time. Exactly how this Pinnochio/Frankenstein monster dictates he should be. Imagine Niles from Frasier as Johnny 5. That's Sonny.

In all: liked it. Had a nice mix of everything and no noticeable flat notes. Good shit.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
08:05 / 08.08.04
That's becuase Sonny is played by Alan Tudyk, god amongst men. Seeing this tomorrow and now considerably more psyched than I was before. Go team!
 
 
Lurid Archive
08:43 / 08.08.04
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I saw Yo, Robot (the title in Spanish that still seems amusing) last week. Its pretty to look at and Will Smith does...Will Smith. I think thats fun, though it is a little bit like Men in Black without Tommy Lee in places, with a touch more nudity of our buff hero.

Still, if the special effects are enough to see you through the film, you'll like it, and if they aren't then the rather thin plot may disappoint. Its not awful, however, and I quite enjoyed the mixture of eye candy, one liners and techno detective story. My expectations were quite low, however.

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But, as a scifi geek, the question remains as to how much of a (dead) hand Asimov had in this film. And the answer is....not much.

To be fair, the film makers had obviously read some Asimov. Themes were borrowed from the books, although with no real feel for a consistent experience. This is partly due to the nature of the beast. Asimov didn't write action and this is an action film. Asimov sometimes reported action, but was far more interested in logical puzzles and tinkering with the ideas within framework that he set himself.

So, for instance, the scene in the film that felt most Asimov flavoured was when Smith interiews Sonny. The fact that Sonny is the most developed character in the film is pure Asimov and that scene, where the tough street cop is confronted with the possibility of a far more sophisticated mechanised intelligence than he thought possible, also rang true. Many things about that scene felt right, like when Sonny says - "I didn't kill Lanning" - and, as an Asimov reader, it was obvious exactly what he meant. Its a little crude and obvious, but it is at least in the right spirit, and it is a shame that the film needed to return so quickly to being a special effects extravaganza.

The final revelation, also, borrows from Asimov and is reminiscent of the whole "Zeroth Law" malarky. But the execution was half hearted. In an Asimov story, there wouldn't be a super compter directing all the robots. He liked subtlety over brute force and would have found a way for the robots to become convinced rather than controlled (to be fair, the film is not entirely clear on this point but the criticism still stands).

Also, Sonny being able to ignore the three laws is just wrong. There are rules to Asimov, and this came close to a deal breaker for me. Its allowed to be as contrived as you like, but the Laws should be sacrosanct.

More importantly, perhaps, is that Asimov's robots are the good guys. They are better than us, though we don't know it. Occassionally there are a few misguided, though usually via human agency, robots. But the central message in Asimov has always seemed to me a profoundly pro-technological one. That the film employs the theme of robots taking over the world, even with the half hearted qualification, was far too technophobic for a film that claimed inspiration from Asimov.


All in all, I thought it was enjoyable, but then I am pretty undemanding if a film blows a fun million showing me pretty explosions. And Yo, Robot was more than that, though not much more.

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Haus of Mystery
11:37 / 08.08.04
Does it have any dodgy subtexts?
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
11:55 / 08.08.04
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No plot holes? What? The entire movie was based on a plot hole. Sonny didn't have to kill the scientist - all he had to do was run and tell Will Smith. It might have taken some convincing, but the idea that the scientist had to die to get Smith's attention is bollocks.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:18 / 08.08.04
i don't think Sonny could get out of the lab and tell Will Smith...until he killed Lanning and was able to escape. The computer was keeping them locked in...well, Lanning in, but Sonny as a by-product. I think. Right?
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
18:53 / 08.08.04
Well, Sonny could escape the building just fine when Will Smith went after him. Surely the super computer have realized Sonny was a threat to it? The super computer couldn't stop Sonny from exiting the building; it was never omniscient. Notice the silliness that Lanning was able to build a robot designed to thwart the computer inside a building controlled by the computer.
 
 
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19:05 / 08.08.04
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Some friends of mine and I got made up as robots to protest the movie. That was fun. In order to add credibility to my role as the kind of person/robot who would protest a movie, I didn't see it. Pics from the protest if you care. Please excuse terrible page layout.

I highly recommend doing a robot protest at some point, just to learn interesting things about human nature. The comments we got from sixteen year olds who were illegally modding their wetware at the time were priceless.

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19:19 / 08.08.04
I wen tin expecting it to be utter shite, but came out very pleasantly surprised. Not a big Asimov reader, but I recognised how much they had (necessarily, I think) dicked with Caves of Steel. There's just too much in there to address in a short film like this without wasting even more time on exposition.
Still a very good film, though.

Well, Sonny could escape the building just fine when Will Smith went after him. Surely the super computer have realized Sonny was a threat to it? The super computer couldn't stop Sonny from exiting the building; it was never omniscient. Notice the silliness that Lanning was able to build a robot designed to thwart the computer inside a building controlled by the computer.

Yeah, but would Will have believed him or even wanted to? A major part of the breadcrumbs plan was to ensure that Smith would distrust the robot enought to make him all the more convinced when won over.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:48 / 18.08.04
I really enjoyed that. As an Asimov adaptation, it just wasn't, really. But as a dumb action movie nicking themes from Asimov (or purchasing them from his estate) it was pleasantly intelligent. Kicked total shit out of the Matrix sequels, anyway.

And was it just me, or has someone involved in this movie been playing a lot of Deus Ex? The VIKI system being accessible only at the bottom of an implausibly deep neon-lit shaft, the near-identical design of the jars of nanites?
 
 
Triplets
18:06 / 18.08.04
I think it's a sign you've been playing too much Dues Ex.
 
 
Warewullf
21:38 / 18.09.04
I only just seen this and it was, in fairness, a bit crap.

Yes, it was pretty, yes Sonny was the best thing in it but there were just so many problems. I haven't read any Asimov so I don't know how many of the problems with the film were down to him and how many were down to bad script/screen writing.

I want to like this movie, really, but I may have been too busy focusing on what I thought were problems that I missed some things. Please tell me if I'm wrong with this stuff (I don't enjoy slagging things off and since most of you enjoyed the movie and are respected fellow Barbeloids, I can only assume I missed something. I am a bit slow so there may be some stuff I just didn't pick up on. I've only just realised that the reason Dr. Lanning didn't just email Spoooner was because VIKI was holding him prisoner. Yep I'm that slow.)
I'd actually be fine with it if most of the plot-holes/stupid bits were to be found in the original work. But I suspect they're not.

Dr. Lanning couldn't get any phone calls or emails to Spooner. Fine. VIKI had him held prisoner. She had no problem with him creating a super-robot to kill her, though...

Why didn't anyone actually ask Sonny, the only witness, what happened to Dr. Lanning? Correct me if I'm wrong but the question was never asked.

Did we really need the "give me yo' badge" scene? Must every fucking cop with a theory be ignored and suspended?

Hey, Spooner, you know how you keep seeing the robots do stuff everyone says is impossible and no one believes you? GET A GODDAMN CAMERA!

Lucky he was into retro stuff, thus meaning he could drive (saving his life where any other person would have been killed. Twice.) and could wear "vintage" Converse shoes that were from , ho-ho!, would you believe it, 2004! (Available in all fine shoe stores!) (Buy AUDI!) (And JVC! Or SANYO, whatever his stereo was.)(Oh, and use FED-EX!)

Lucky his Granny won a robot in the lottery (I was unclear about this. Did everyone in the lottery win, thus meaning "a robot in every household" or was she the lucky winner for the sake of convenience?).

Lucky USR didn't bother to install security systems in it's maintenance areas. I mean, why would you, right?

Lucky VIKI didn't permanently change the robot's programming, prefering instead to send out a constant data-stream that would cease if she were to be deactivated, thus reverting the robots back to their default code. I mean, it's not like she wanted the robots to succeed without her, right?

"I have a problem with heights." -Except in situations where you need to be all manly and action-hero-y.

Ah, I'm just nitpicking now.

Well, thank fuck he didn't kiss scientist lady at the end. I might have screamed. That rotating camera bit during the action sequence at the end was great. I felt a bit dizzy! the inital Sonny scene was ace, as was his interview. I wish there had been more of that interview, actually...
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
12:11 / 19.09.04
I've still not seen it but I'm turned on to the whole robot law thing after reading the Foundation books (where Asimov crowbars two series into one ultra-series).
BUT I was under the impression that the film was only "Asimov inspired" as opposed to being an adaptation of various stories.
So therefore the film makers can screw with as much as they like, it's only inspired by the books, not taken directly from them.
My bf has seen it (big Asimov fan) and thought it was pants, even from an "inspired" perspective so perhaps it was.
 
 
Enamon
16:37 / 22.09.04
I've seen it. I don't understand these so-called "plot holes" you're pointing out.

Sonny couldn't just run out and tell Spooner about Viki because... Sonny had no idea what was going on. He was built, he spent some time together with his dad, his dad told him to kill him. The end.

Viki didn't realize the robot would be used against her. After all, Lanning created new forms of robots for a living. It was his life. His behavious was perfectly normal in that sense.

The reason Sonny can bypass the 3 laws is because he has a second brain built into his chest which jams the 3 laws.

The reason Viki couldn't permanently program the robots was because the programming would interfere with their hard wired 3 laws. Viki's processing capability allowed her to make the logic bridges necessary to realize that what she was doing was in perfect accordance with the 3 laws.
 
 
Warewullf
17:45 / 22.09.04
Sonny couldn't just run out and tell Spooner about Viki because... Sonny had no idea what was going on. He was built, he spent some time together with his dad, his dad told him to kill him. The end.

Fair enough.

Viki didn't realize the robot would be used against her. After all, Lanning created new forms of robots for a living. It was his life. His behavious was perfectly normal in that sense.

Hmm, a little stupid of VIKI but fair enough.

The reason Sonny can bypass the 3 laws is because he has a second brain built into his chest which jams the 3 laws.

Yes, I know.

The reason Viki couldn't permanently program the robots was because the programming would interfere with their hard wired 3 laws.

Yet she managed to over-ride it which allowed them to revolt. Or was the point that she didn't actually over-ride the laws (in the robots) at all?

Viki's processing capability allowed her to make the logic bridges necessary to realize that what she was doing was in perfect accordance with the 3 laws.

Yeah, I know. But was she trying to get the robots to do the same or what?

Ah, I'm just being thick. I think I need to watch it again...
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
21:19 / 22.09.04
[quote]Sonny couldn't just run out and tell Spooner about Viki because... Sonny had no idea what was going on. He was built, he spent some time together with his dad, his dad told him to kill him. The end.[/quote]

Right, because Spooner couldn't upload a small text file into Sonny's brain?

[quote]The reason Sonny can bypass the 3 laws is because he has a second brain built into his chest which jams the 3 laws.[/quote]

If Spooner can do that, than he can put a small text file into Sonny's brain.

It's just bull shit, and I can't believe people are defending it.
 
 
Enamon
22:40 / 23.09.04
Vikki overrode the robots' three laws to make them do their bidding. Since the three laws are hardwired into the robots Vikki had to keep a constant data link to the which is why they glowed red. Vikki's constant data stream overrode the three laws much like Sonny's second brain overrides his.

As for putting a text file into Sonny's brain, Vikki runs all the computers in the building. She would have read the file. Viki would not be concerned by Lanning building an experimental robot however since that was his standard modus operandi.
 
 
Enamon
22:42 / 23.09.04
Anyway at least I'm defending this and not The Matrix. I mean seriously, if you can hack into the Matrix and put yourself into it once more then why would you? Instead you can write a computer program that's just like an agent except it's on YOUR side. Stupid humans have to do everything ass backwards.

And the biggest plot hole in I, Robot is...

if Lanning wasn't in his house for months then who fed the cat?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:46 / 23.09.04
Same person who fed Gabriel in The Crow.
 
  
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