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IPC goes Wildstorm!

 
 
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10:33 / 05.08.04
Blimey! Given that DC now owns IPC characters, will they be pushing or blocking any future releases of Zenith? Sonds like an interesting idea, anyway. More Moore comics... hurrah! (Thought he was retiring?)
 
 
sleazenation
12:03 / 05.08.04
*sigh*

No, No, No

DC Do NOT own the IPC characters - however the company that owns DC, TimeWarner has recently aquired IPC, which owns a set of comic characters. These characters have been licensed internally from IPC to DC which will them allow DC to produce comics with IPC characters in but the characters themselves are still IPC property...

Also this move has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the legal situation surrounding Zenith which is a dispute between Rebellion (a UK based computer games company) and Grant Morrison.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:00 / 05.08.04
Who cares about the legal mumbo-jumbo, Moore seems VERY excited about this and I would imagine Britons who grew up reading these characters are even more excited. More Moore (and Leah, whose writing chops ain't bad either) is always a good thing. It'll be interesting to see how this takes shape - I hope Moore writes the bulk of it himself, as opposed to what's happening now with ABC comics, where he farms the writing chores out to many writers and he only writes 30% of the output...
 
 
FinderWolf
17:51 / 13.08.04
I'm telling ya, this could be big:

from Chicago Comic Con coverage at www.comicbookresources.com:

>> On the subject on the Wildstorm's recent acquisition of the British IPC characters, Dunbier said "You've got to understand, when we first announced this in San Diego, we got a dozen phone calls and e-mail from famous British artists who really want to do this..."
Dunbier likened the IPC character to icons like Green Lantern and the Flash if they hadn't been published for over twenty years.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:10 / 13.08.04
I'm sort of curious as to why anyone should find this all that interesting, since the IPC characters have, as was discussed in the link, been adopted, adulterated and generally messed around with in all sorts of tributes and hommages by British comic writers. At this very moment a number of IPC characters are being reworked and generally messed with by Paul Grist in Jack Flag. As such, I don't think that, beyond a small percentage of completists or obsessives, British readers will be excited by the opportunity to read about characters who are kind of de facto open resources for British comic writers. If anything, it risks making that sort of homage harder, which strikes me as a bad thing even when weighted against the joy of a Leah Moore Kelly's Eye.

Of course, I have overestimated British comic book readers many, many times, but I don't think that his is necessarily going to be as epochal a moment for them as the hype might suggest, nor indeed that the younger readers are going to be as excited as the forty-plus creators... could be good, but we'll see.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:31 / 13.08.04
Alan Moore writing. That's what I'm excited about. And the other talents who want to take a crack at these characters. Alan Moore's spin on 'em has got to be good, and he's writing at least one book, I think.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:03 / 13.08.04
Yes, but if you heard that Alan Moore was writing Lil' Abner you'd be excited. That has nothing to do with IPC, now, does it?
 
 
sleazenation
16:43 / 15.08.04
I must admit I would be more excited if these comics were being published from the UK rather than the US. But hey, Warners already own a comic publisher in the states and its much more cost-effective...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:57 / 15.08.04
I'm perfectly happy to see the Moore family (or indeed any creators) play with these underused characters. I loved their somewhat altered appearances in Zenith and Jack Staff, and the 'Action Special' that 2000ad produced in the early 90's. These are pretty much the only superheroes to have any history at all in British comics, and I'd rather see some tales involving them than another Green Lantern or Superman story.
It's their very Britishness that I love - The Leopard from Lime Street which used to appear in Buster(!) when I was tiny, was a Grange Hill influenced Spiderman, with adventures taking place in a recognisible, if somewhat cheesy, suburban locale. I think there's tons of mileage to be had with a character like that.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:31 / 15.08.04
Would it not be possible for writers to create very British new characters?

Crazy!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
21:05 / 15.08.04
Yeah fine. And they can play with old characters who've never really had their moment in the sun. It's not always an either/or situation.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:35 / 15.08.04
But they *did* have their moment in the sun - in the 60s, 70s and 80s. I have nothing *against* the idea, but it is basically the Alan Moore pension fund. Nothing wrong with that, it could be good, etc., but these character are not neglected - people just stopped buying the comics, and then stopped having the comics to buy. Not everything has to be a cosmic injustice.
 
 
matsya
05:15 / 16.08.04
i like that

*spills cornflakes*

COSMIC INJUSTICE!

*hurts eyes reading too many bulletin boards*

COSMIC INJUSTICE!

I suppose it's a side-effect of too much Kirby and Starlin as a young'un.

I remember the Leopard of Lime street! Didn't he have a minor cameo in Zenith?



m.
 
 
_Boboss
09:42 / 16.08.04
well all this'll definitely be on my list - moore's the best superhagiographer we got after all - but there's really only say another twenty-four months where this will be permissible at all. it's fine for grist and li'l moore to dig over the fine-smelling compost one more time, but it has been twenty years since someone made a good go of an origino brit superhero (never read clar$e w@r or the establishment - are they good enough to count? overkill etc. the last time marvel had a pop was a general disappointment)

i accept that for a british superhero not to die from ridicule before page five of his first adventure it may well be that we'll have to anchor his identity to something that the reading public is primed to accept (a pop star, a revamped ww2 marvel-ager, captainmarvelman, a reality tv star). but the ipc characters will need to be left well alone for another twenty years after this at least, and in a nother year or three when someone wants to try to do a proper new superhero for the kids with bad teeth, well they might just have to make a proper new one, one their dads might not know all about already.

'kelly's eye...leah moore'

exactly. with the best will in the world, it might take even more than half of alan moore's dna to make kelly's eye something other than shit.
 
 
sleazenation
10:08 / 16.08.04
Neither Cla$$ War nor the establishment were particularly original - although the establishment was overtly making a virtue of this basing all its characters on numerous elements of british popculture - everything from Grange Hill to DR Who...
 
 
_Boboss
10:21 / 16.08.04
yeah they don't sound so bad - i'm sure i could find a few of those for 25p in the cardboard bins. hardly shocking from that description they never shifted much units though.
 
 
sleazenation
11:42 / 16.08.04
The Establishment certainly wasn't all that bad at all, sadly it seemed like its entire readership consisted of me haus and flyboy... Shouldn't be too much of a problem to find for cheapness - series artist Charlie Adlard was distributing free copies he's signed at Bristol this year...
 
 
FinderWolf
17:26 / 17.08.04
>> Yes, but if you heard that Alan Moore was writing Lil' Abner you'd be excited. That has nothing to do with IPC, now, does it?

Li'l Abner/Swamp Thing crossover guest-starring Promethea!!!

Winter 2004! Be there!!!!
 
 
DavidXBrunt
12:37 / 18.08.04
Well everything I say and do shows what an idiot I am but I'm really looking forwards to these. I like those old British heros and seeing them revived with talent the likes of Moore is incredibly pleasing.

Yeah, looking good. As are the forthcoming mooted reprint volumes. Come on, Hookjaw in a decent reprint edition and the complete Charleys War. Worth my money any day.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:53 / 18.08.04
HOOKJAW! NNNNGH! I fucking LOVE Hookjaw, and I've barely read any bar a few sanitised annual appearances when i was very small and impressionable - he scared the piss out of me...a shark...WITH A HOOK! With humans as the enemy. Viva exploitation comics.
 
 
_Boboss
10:59 / 24.11.04
cripes it took a while to find this thread.

but look: mainstream!
 
 
Spaniel
11:40 / 24.11.04
Would it not be possible for writers to create very British new characters?

I have some sympathy with this position, but I think resurecting the old IPC gang is exciting for two reasons.

1. 'Cause it's gonna be written by Alan Moore.
2. 'Cause Alan Moore writing violent, dirty, anti-heroic genre comics could be doubly fun.

It's not so much the use of the characters that I like, but rather what the use of *these* characters suggests about the kinds of stories that'll get written.
 
 
Spaniel
11:44 / 24.11.04
However, if Moore had said, "hey guys, I'm gonna be writing a a bunch of comics in the mould of the old IPC books, but with all new characters." That would also be fine.
 
 
The Falcon
00:23 / 25.11.04
Yes, it would.

However - I think that's the clsest to proper comics reportage in the real news I've ever seen. Knew I bought that paper for a reason. They had Moore for a centrefold a couple of months ago too.

Good stuff.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:44 / 27.11.04
My concern is that Moore will only plot and co-write this stuff, as he's doing with the Terra Obscura mini-series. That's like very VERRY watered down Moore, which is to say, almost no Moore at all. I think I've heard that he's not actually fully WRITING any of these.
 
 
Spaniel
09:40 / 28.11.04
Yep, also worrying me, although perhaps his daughter's inherited some of the old cumudgeon's talent.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:01 / 15.12.04
well, if we want more real, 100% Alan Moore, he'll be doing the 3rd League of Extraordinary Gentlemen mini with Kevin O'Neill soon...
 
 
sleazenation
21:16 / 15.12.04
Of course, the term 'soon' is relative, especially when used to describe the wait one will have to endure for the next issue of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen…
 
 
FinderWolf
18:19 / 28.03.05
It's confirmed that Alan Moore is only plotting and Leah Moore and her boyfriend/co-writer are scripting the ALBION miniseries, with covers by Dave Gibbons.
 
 
matsya
23:48 / 28.03.05
Here's an article about Action comics, with a decent bit on hookjaw...

m.
 
 
bio k9
02:23 / 29.03.05
I read that Alan Moore was going to be writing Deaths Head III and G.I. Joe: European Missions. Should be awesome.
 
  
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