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Michael Chabon's Eisner Keynote Speech

 
 
CameronStewart
22:12 / 02.08.04
I didn't go to the Eisners this year (maybe I will once I'm nominated for something) but if I'd have heard this I probably would have stood up to applaud....
 
 
Hieronymus
22:30 / 02.08.04
This just made me beam.

We can’t afford to take this handcrafted, one-kid-at-a-time approach anymore. We have to sweep them up and carry them off on the vast flying carpets of story and pictures on which we ourselves, in entire generations, were borne aloft, on carpets woven by Swan and Hamilton, Kirby and Lee. They did it for us; we have to pass it on, pay it forward. It’s our duty, it’s our opportunity, and I really do believe it will be our pleasure.

Reminds me that I've got to get back to working at my fictional playground.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:54 / 03.08.04
I second that emotion. I was actually just going to start a thread based on this after reading it this morning. Great speech.

Zeke loves Ferro Lad!!!

Leave It To Chance by James Robinson and Paul Smith was a really good example of quality, fun comics about kids, for kids. What else is out there that's good? Bone... (not about kids per se but very kid-friendly), I've never read Courtney Crummin but I hear it's fun...Marvel's short-lived Gus Beezer, which I never read but heard it was ok...
 
 
FinderWolf
14:48 / 03.08.04
Actually, though, I was just thinking, I didn't read many comics about kids when I was a kid, and I turned out to be a huge comic fan. In the Silver Age, kids like Alan Moore read about Superman, the FF, the Flash, Green Lantern, Batman, etc. The only comics I read that were about kids were Richie Rich. I read Archies as a gateway comic and that's certainly about teenagers. Casper is sort of hard to define, he's a kid, I guess... and Donald Duck & his nephews are kids, I suppose.

How many comics were there starring kids when WE were kids? Not many, I think... not that it's a bad idea to make quality comics starring kids now, but just saying that generations in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s didn't grow up reading tons of comics starring kids.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
15:22 / 03.08.04
I agree. I spent my childhood reading comics about giant transforming robots... and not only was I not a giant transforming robot, I didn't even know any personally.

Still, it's very cool watching Chabon continue to evolve into an advocate for comics.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:29 / 03.08.04
I like that fundamental idea that we should make comics that we as kids would've been interested in. I don't think that they necessarily need to "star" children, but I think that some kind of younger perspective, as an entrypoint for a child's imagination, is critical. Look at Jimmy Olsen, or Robin. The massive cultural success of Spider-Man, I believe is because Peter Parker is the perfect example of this kind of entrypoint, and he gets to be the hero. And it does it one better by answering every kids secret hopes and fears about superpowers. No kid would believe that something so amazing could happen to them without consequences, without responsibility. That's what Spider-Man is so much more ridiculously popular than everything else around it. Same with Harry Potter.

Sadly, no one is putting out anything close to this in Western Comics, as the cart is completely just beating the shit out of the horse behind it. Look at all the Marvel mandates against creator owned work because it robs them of the potential for licensing, disregarding the fact that new ideas are really the only way that anything hugely popular is going to emerge. A Ghost Rider movie will not suddenly make Ghost Rider comics more popular among kids, not in any substantial or long lasting way.

Comics' inferiority complex has completely skewed the output of any publishers that might have had a shot at putting something like MC is referring to, except maybe for Slave Labor. Street Angel in the hand of a smart kid = revolution. Everyone else is putting out really fantastic explorations of the medium that maybe three hundred thousand people tops will read. Thank God for Manga, though, because people are finally wising up that kid-acessible stories can actually make money. And they're a perfect example of everything MC is talking about. If I was a kid and I stumbled upon a wall of TokyoPop books my head would've exploded. I remember being so jealous of my sister's Babysitter Club books because there wasn't any kind of cool series like that for boys. Hardy Boys were never ever cool. If TokyoPop had been around then? Forget it. I would have been ALL. OVER IT. Kids just love the idea of an acessible universe. I know I did. And I probably got into comics just before the Marvel Universe got truly and irredeemably unweildy. I doubt there's any hope left for it. Continuity was scrapped for Consistency, only there's now very few traces of actual consistency in the books.

There's probably nothing that can truly save Western Comics, that can catapult them into the same arena that Manga is so firmly entrenched in. But there's always a chance that something new can come along, packaged and marketed, and most importantly, crafted in a way that will blow kids' minds.

It's pretty amazing how wrong most "Kid's Comics" from Marvel and DC get it. Half hearted (or ocassionally full hearted, but still) adaptations of cartoons with so little new to offer that a kid truly can't get by watching whatever cartoon the comic is aping. That never made sense to me.

Anyway. It can be done, and it will be done, and the current climate of the industry is pretty much primed for it.
 
 
diz
15:42 / 03.08.04
i'm not sure about the kids-liking-stories-about-kids part, either. when i was a kid, i actively hated anything about kids. loved Batman, hated Robin. loved the Transformers, hated Spike. loved Star Trek: TNG, hated Wesley. i hated the kids on sitcoms.

(OK, just after i wrote that, i have to say that i notice that all the kids i hated were sidekicks. maybe that's important. the sidekick is never cool.)

i also hated the watered-down, padded-for-safety aspect of kids fiction. specifically, i hated the fact that no one got killed. armies would clash on G.I. Joe but no one got killed. it seemed like i was being sheltered, or condescended to - being lied to.

i first got into comics specifically because people got maimed and killed and horrible things happened to them. it was like a rush of honesty, a breath of fresh air, a sense of consequences. it made me think back to my first love and most abiding love in terms of fiction, which was always Star Wars. in Star Wars, while it stays PG, serious shit happens. people get betrayed. people get redeemed, make heroic stands, take risks, get frozen in carbonite, get tortured and fed to monsters. people die. i mean, when i look at the final duel between Vader and Luke in Return of the Jedi, all the drama that leads up to that point, i can't help but understand why most other kids' stuff was lacking after that.

i think the Harry Potter books have something of that kind of sense of consequence and terror and wonder to them, but i'm not sure how much else in kids' media does the same. i think that might be an area where comics can excel, if creators can learn to understand that the goal is a sense of consequence, and not a sense of bleak nastiness for it's own sake. in other words, the death of Anakin Skywalker, not the rape of Sue Dibny.
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:53 / 03.08.04
Almost all the UK comics of my youth – Krazy, Whizzer and Chips, Cheeky, Tiger – featured strips starring kids, and it’s only just occurred to me that it was the case. And then 2000AD etc reared its head as I neared an age in double figures, which is probably a logical enough progression.

So I think there might be some merit in more comics with – as Finderwolf says – the entrypoint of kids’ viewpoints, but yes, more importantly is not to talk down to the audience and give them what you think they want, that way lies stuff like Jar Jar.

Chabon talks with passion and eloquence, doesn’t he ? You might not agree with all of it, but you get the feeling he cares about the medium, and it’s always good to see that kind of thing expressed so well.

Diiz, your comments about sidekicks reminded me of a comment Wil Wheaton once made about why Star Trek audiences didn’t relate to his character; because whilst all the other characters were in some way aspirational or embodiments of a heroic ideal, Wesley Crusher was too much like the fans themselves. And I think sidekicks often get a bit annoying because they, like the reader, are often the passenger, not the driver; like that Grant Morrison Animal Man line about us expecting to star in our lives but feeling like we have walk-on parts instead, if you see what I mean.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:34 / 03.08.04
>> and not only was I not a giant transforming robot, I didn't even know any personally.

best sentence I've read all day!
 
 
The Natural Way
21:12 / 03.08.04
Yes, nice Chabon.


Right, more importantly - first there was "XBrunt!", now there is "COBRA!"

Fucking amazing!

COBRASQUIDXBRUNT5DSQUID!
 
 
Mystery Gypt
01:21 / 04.08.04
i have to admit, as much as i love chabon, as much as i think the escapist comics are cool and everything, i really think he's doing the wrong thing with his comics work. when he writes books, he writes genre defying, 600 page big-themed epics about the whole range of human emotion and the individual's place in history. he writes the literature of our time, and spends years on a book. when he writes a comic, he spits out a little adventure tale deeply rigid in its reliance on the rules of a specific genre, with a style that was explored to its capacity 40 years ago. i feel that says more about his understanding and valuation of the comics medium than any of his recent exciting speaches.
 
 
CameronStewart
05:56 / 04.08.04
Well to be fair he's only written two short stories for comics, so he really hasn't devoted as much time to it as his novel writing. Perhaps if he set out to write a comic with as much ambition as his novels, he might be more successful?

I'd just like to point out that the topic summary (which I forgot to include when I started this, sorry) was written by one of the mods, and is not me referring to myself in the third person...
 
 
FinderWolf
13:42 / 04.08.04
I had read assorted comics and comic-type stuff as a kid, but what REALLY got me into hard-core comics, starting in 7th grade, was that I was a huge STAR WARS nut and that Marvel made a monthly Star Wars comic. I bought their monthly SW for about a year. Then I started to see ads for other Marvel Universe Comics - Byrne's Alpha Flight, which intruiged me, and Secret Wars. I bought both and was hooked (and Alpha Flight hooked me into Byrne's FF, then I got into Simonson's Thor, X-Men by Claremont and Paul Smith, etc. etc. etc.).

So I can thank Star Wars and Marvel Comics for my comic obsession.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
18:24 / 04.08.04
cameron, i guess im thinking a little less specifically about what he's written (or editted, but 3 escapist issues later there's plenty of material to critique from that point of view) but more the way he talks about it. i saw him give his panel at comicon, and was on about how much fun it was for him to write comics -- apparently he'd recently written a 40+page escapist styled tie-in) -- and how it was essentially really easy for him, compared to his novels. and then he made comments about how all his "literary friends" think he's wasting his time, aren't they silly hah ha.

for point of contrast, i had just come from Adrian Tomine's panel, where he talked about how it took him 2 years to do Optic Nerve #9. probably not all that fun. definately not easy. without question, comparable to the kind of work Chabon does when he's being a "serious" writer.

i had the strong urge to ask Chabon if he had plans to do more literary work in comics, or if he had even considered the distinction he seemed to be making unconsciously, but i couldn't figure out how to ask it without sounding like a jerk, ie "hey, do you have plans to write a good comic?" probably wouldn't have gotten the point across.

again, nothing wrong with the escapist comics, they are really nicely done and Kavlier fans get really excited when i show them that project. but if there's a hope for the continued "literaturizing" (sorry) of comics, then it could well be people like Chabon who brought some great new ideas on how to do that. if they weren't so mired in nostalgia trips to consider it.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
17:28 / 10.08.04
The biggest problkem in American comics now is that they aren't the ones writing the comics kids want to read. In America, the two branches of comics for kids are the Archie books (which kids grow out of fairly rapidly due to the very limited stories) and the Disney stuff which is so painfully overpriced that I can't ever see it selling to anything but aging Disney fanboys.

Manga is spreading into comics for kids, and will probably swallow the market whole in a few years.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:18 / 10.08.04
So I can thank Star Wars and Marvel Comics for my comic obsession.

That's how I started too, actually. I was getting those Star Wars comics when I was 4 or 5 years old, getting them from the local pharmacy. I started reading Spider-Man, GI Joe, Transformers, and X-Men comics shortly after I started.
 
  
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