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Orgone Machines

 
  

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Tamayyurt
19:58 / 31.07.04
Has anyone used an orgone generator or something similar? What have been the results? Do tell.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
20:25 / 31.07.04
Orgone for anybody who mightn't be aware is another name for Chi or life energy

Wilhelm Reich MD 'discovered' or re-discovered this force and said that when collected in boxes he called Orgone Accumulators, this energy couldbe beneficial to human, animal and plant life


Dr James DeMeo has written a concise but informative book called "the Orgone Accumulator Handbook"
(isbn 0-9621855-0-7)

collecting a brief but concise overview of Reich's experimental devices. Critics call Reich a crank but he was for a longtime a respected and highly effective therapist and whilst in later life, he did exhibit a paranoid personality, this should not detract from further experimentation and consideration of his work


back to the topic (sorry ImpulsiveLad' for the isdeline)


I built a mini Orgone accumulator, something called an Orgone Shooter if memory serves me right

I have the Book, the Orgone Accumulator Handbook somewhere!

Anyway, this box was about 18 inches square and consisted of about 6-7 layers of steel wool and cork tiles, surrounded by chip board and with a six inch galvanised steel box in the centre

Into this box, I drilled and fitted a steel tube (shower hose) with a steel funnel that acted as the 'shooter' to aim the ORGONE energy

(by the way, it is best to make your holes in the cork tiles prior to fitting it all together as when the drill bit hits the steel wool, it is a messy job as the steel wool wraps around the drill bit!)


My results were totally against what I had hoped but I think I know why

Living in the UK and being a very small country, we are crisscrossed and mostly very near overhead electric power lines. This allegedly excites the Orgone too much and makes the life helping energy called Orgone Too powerful ....something Reich called Oranur (if memory serves me right)

Over time, this overexcitement of the life energy effectively has a negative effect and the Orgone 'dies' and becomes DOR (SHORT FOR DEALDY ORGONE)


Reich himself suffered heart and chest trouble under similar circumstances. He allegedly was experimenting as to whether Orgone could reverse or help with radiation ppoisoning. He introduced a radioactive isotope, into the Orgone Accumulator and those workers in the vicinity , suffered from Oranur effects....the Orgone initially became too excited (for want of a better phrase) and the area became hazardous for health. Many of the workers found that niggling health concerns became chronic


Eventually the area in Maine where his laboratory was based became 'deadened' (DOR....DEADLY ORGONE) and it took quite sometime before his work area returned to normal and comfortable for human habitation


My own experience I believe was the result of the nearness of the overhead powerlines (DeMeo recommends that an Accumulator should be placed about 5 miles away from overhead electrics and at least 40 miles away from nuclear facilities)


with me, my own lack of care and stupidity made me attempt to make this box less than a mile from powerlines

I pointed the shooter at a rash on my arm in the hopes of alleviating the condition. I felt a slight but definate sensation that DeMeo describes in his book. Sadly, I also found that the rash worsened and I can only believe that this was the result of Oranur conditions, the close proximity of the powerlines, potentially Over exciting the Orgone and resulting in a worsening of my minor but annoying )itchy) condition

As for the electric devices that claim to direct Orgone energy etc....I do not know how these are supposed to work and I would be wary as from my own and the anecdotal work of Dr DeMeo.........electrics and Orgone shouldn't really mix for the dangers outlined above


but then again, I am hardly qualified to offer an opinion
 
 
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03:28 / 01.08.04
I know in a lot of William S. Burroughs' books there's lot of stuff on orgone accumulators... In fact WSB made some himself, but I forget the results.

Reich's place in Maine is called something like Organum I think. The occult group I joined recently plan on having a field trip up there one day. I really do want to undergo reichian therapy of some sorts myself one day, but there seem to be no practioneers in my area, alas.
 
 
Tamayyurt
05:25 / 01.08.04
Thanks, for all that info, Joe. I didn't mind your aside at all as it explained a lot.

And Sypha, isn't it sad that the place where this field originated doesn't have a single place practicing? Maybe you'll find something on the field trip.

I think, FinderWolf, has some experience with this... I need to direct him to this thread.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
07:15 / 01.08.04
www.orgonomy.org/


has some interesting stuff and may lead you onto getting in touch with a practitioner. It will at least give you some names to play with or contact and the articles are interesting



I used to have a list of practitioners but it is about 6 years old, even if I find it

I will keep looking and post it to you over the next few days (I might not be able to get to my home comp for a couple of days so please be patient, I will do my best to get that up before Friday)
 
 
Joetheneophyte
07:21 / 01.08.04
FOUND IT!!!!!!!

www.orgone.org/therpy00.htm



Sorry that is not a link but I have deleted the post that told me how to do it

PLEASE NOTE ***********THAT IS NOT A SPELLING MISTAKE....THE WORD THERAPY IN THE ADDRESS LINE SHOULD BE WRITTEN AS

'therpy' WITHOUT THE 'A'***********************FOLLOWED BY 2 ZEROS


HOPE THAT GIVES YOU THE INFO YOU ARE AFTER!
 
 
Joetheneophyte
07:27 / 01.08.04
THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO WORK

Sorry, this is a direct cut and paste from my address bar....if that doesn't work I am stumped due to my computer illiteracy



http://www.orgone.org/therpy00.htm
 
 
PhatMikey
11:40 / 01.08.04
Joe,

Is this what you're trying to do?...
Orgone Therapists and Related Therapy - http://www.orgone.org/therpy00.htm

Mike
 
 
Frank Fress
11:58 / 01.08.04
Yo, i haven't posted in a while because of discussion arguement i felt I got into with Seth but have been observing from a distance. Lately the things that have been going on in my life have popped up in the discussion and I've had to fight from replying. But orgone accumulators keep popping up around me lately I'm also building a dreamachine and have been before the topic started on the 'lith. How's that for magick? Anyhow, check out David Woodard's webstie or Wilhelm Reich's "The Function of the Orgasm." Reich's book carries a particular similarity to the "wank technique" of launching sigils and how orgone energy is related to the orgasm. Woodard's site is more specific. HE builds wishing machines as well as dreamachines. In Burroughs final novel "Western Lands" he ends with a piece on the dangers of the orgonomic wishing machine. Orgone is real. So surround yourself with as much copper and fur as possible.
 
 
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23:46 / 01.08.04
I've read "Function of the Orgasm" and parts of "Character Analysis" and they were very interesting, especially the former, which is one of those psychology books I've read and I've thought "Fuck, he's describing me EXACTLY here!"
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:55 / 02.08.04
mike

thanks very much for that


Yes that is exactly what I was trying to do

had a computer for about 6 years and haven't improved or learned anything!

Sorry and thanks again


Joe
 
 
Joetheneophyte
09:14 / 02.08.04
hi Felix

thanks for the info

Y'know i am by NO means an expert but in DeMeo's book (from memory)...I'm sure he said avoid copper and try to use Ferrous metals ONLY

I am sorry and if I am wrong I sincerely apologise. I do know that there are sites advertising Chem Trail busting devices that are very similar to Reich's Cloudbusters
and these utilise copper but there are concerns about the health implications and effectiveness of these devices

Rense.com (the audio archives section) has a few interviews with Trevor James Constable, who (again if memory serves me correctly) mentions his thoughts on Cloudbusters and the Chem Trail busters

All I seem to remember from DeMeo's book was that Ferrous metals had a life enhancing effect (though even these, are meant for short durations as overcharge can occurr)

and metals like Copper (he alleges) have a life negative effect

It is years since I read the book but that seems to stick in my mind
When I get a chance I will look at some of Woodards work

thanks for the info
 
 
illmatic
10:03 / 02.08.04
You might find this thread useful. I detail my one and only experience there. Orgone acculmulators defintely work.

I would recommend building one if you're interested. Most of Reich's hardcore detractors have never tried to replicate his experiments. It's really the only way to verify this stuff for yourself. Be a bit cautious re. other energy sources but don't let it stop you.
 
 
illmatic
10:13 / 02.08.04
BTW, you can find the full story of the Oranur experiment in Reich's Selected Writings - it's a pretty incredible story, with more details in Sharaf's Fury on Earth.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
10:25 / 02.08.04
thanks Illmatic

will give it a look see when i get a chance (in work and looking over my shoulder as I type!)
 
 
FinderWolf
17:33 / 02.08.04
hey there -- I actually don't have any experience with Reichian therapy or orgone generators -- one of the therapists I worked with years ago was sort of influenced by Reich a little bit, so we probably focused on some things that were a little Reichian but not blatanty so. I've read up a little on Reich, and my current therapist even once visited Reich's home base/offices (a building/complex Reich called simply "Orgone", I think).

But that's all I know about Reich and Orgone. Other than that Grant Morrison did Reichian therapy midway through writing THE INVISIBLES.
 
 
BARISKIL666
18:11 / 02.08.04
I built an Orgone accumulator about 6years ago,it was in the shape of a pyramid,I used aluminium foil and paper.No real effect was noted from the thing until one night when myself and my girlfreind at the time were "tripping".We discovered that when the pyrimid was placed on the head an instant connection to an energy current was effected,sort of like Middle Pillar or Kundalini.I postulate my poor construction was a weak accumulator,and the energy was only noted when in a more sensitive state of Lysergicism.
Playing about with cloud busters and the such like can be very dangerous apparently!
As far as power cables go I think you'd be pretty safe at 500yards as there'd probably be more EM readiation coming from your domestic supply.I was only 700 yards from overheads when my accumulator "worked" in a seemingly benificial way.
I'm thinking about building a shooter and/or another accumulator soon.Where would one find a blueprint for a dream machine?
 
 
Tamayyurt
22:08 / 02.08.04
Okay, I don't have a machine but I've been trying to work with orgone though meditation and visualization and last night my friend's younger cousin, she's 15, suddenly burst into tears and she said she could see my aura. I literally frightened her. I told her I was trying to boost my psychic energy like the force in Star Wars and she said it was like I was on fire! I got chills when she told me that and she said it flared at the moment.

Prett Cool, no.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:46 / 03.08.04
hello folks

I am in no way an expert and never profess to be but I am sure that pyramids and aluminium are No No's as far as Dr DeMeo is concerned

if anybody has the Orgone accumulator handbook , they maybe able to confirm

Mine is not accessible at the moment

Joe
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:47 / 03.08.04
Sorry, I wasn't stating that it never worked for you......just that in DeMeos book, he advises against such shapes and amterials, as he claims that they can have a detrimental effect

Just something I remember reading........I have no experience of such
 
 
FinderWolf
15:03 / 03.08.04
Wow, Imp -- how are you visualizing orgone energy? Just curious...
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:35 / 03.08.04
Just as a basketball-sized orb of energy pouring into me. I'm also doing a lot of energy work in the sense that I'm writing characters that are brimming with strange purple energy. So I'm in that state I guess.
 
 
BARISKIL666
23:05 / 04.08.04
I often see orgs in the sky,like little pinpricks of light, and around megalithic sites...
 
 
macrophage
10:03 / 06.08.04
Never built one or had the space to store one, always obsessed about it though. Would a caravan act as one, what with its aliminium and inorganic materials, or am I within the Abyss of Cheekiness???? Wrote a short story about a great rite that happens within a Giant Pyramid One - excllent Hypersigil results!!!
 
 
Joetheneophyte
12:48 / 06.08.04
whilst there seems to be some disagreement on here about the materials used and the shapes employed in building Oracs

Seeing that the most authoratitive source I have read is James DeMeo and seeing that I seem to remember he said

a: Don't build pyramid shaped oracs

: Don't use Non Ferrous metals in their construction

(I MAYBE MISQUOTING HIM ON BOTH COUNTS SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I AM WRONG AS I HAVEN'T THE BOOK TO HAND)


Anyway, I have often wondered about aluminium caravans and their effect on the human physiology. If my memory is correct and DeMeo is right....then caravans might feasibly have a negative life effect....or produce OVERCAHRGE or Oranur conditions

It would be interesting if such a study could be conducted to see if people who live in caravans (trailers) have significantly higher blood pressure etc, than other people, even discounting dietary habits etc

Hmmmmmmmmmmm .......interesting this
 
 
illmatic
13:13 / 06.08.04
Just backing up Joe on this, aluminium is not to be used in any orgone devices. I cannot recall the exact refeernece in Reich's work but the books are all available should one wish to try and construct one...
 
 
Joetheneophyte
13:19 / 06.08.04
Sorry Macrophage, didn't mean to take anything away from your post....just an observation and I wouldn't like anybody to be hurt if they make the wrong shaped ORAC or out of the wrong materials

Be careful is all I am advocating

Oranur or Dor conditions might be harmful to health so some experimentation and limited exposure is required

thanks

Joe
 
 
Joetheneophyte
13:21 / 06.08.04
thanks Illmatic

I wasn't sure whether I was correct so your confirmation made me feel like I know what I am talking about for a change on here
 
 
Glandmaster
15:15 / 08.08.04
Ive always wanted to try a orgone machine (a friend with ME has access to a Chi Box - brand name?) as Reichs work grabbed my attention with the way he describes the energy. Very similar to how Reiki (rei = universal ki = chi) energy is described.

As a Reiki Master I would be interested in hearing from any of you who have used a orgone machine and also had a Reiki treatment or are a practitioner. I would like to know if these devices could be charged with Reiki in a way I can charge crystals to leave with healees who need a boost in between sessions.

Also when I met aload of you in the pub in London last year I met a chap who said he had built one and he gave me a email addy that didnt work! If that was you please get in touch as I would love to follow up on that chat.

The only real difference I can see from the posts above is this contraindication with electricity, no such warnings were given by my instructors and thinking back I have healed people at conventions next to junction boxes (or whatever those thingies are where the overhead cables go into the ground) with no (apparent) ill effects.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
08:34 / 09.08.04
That might be down to length of exposure

You might have quickly treated them in Oranur (overcharge) conditions

if they had stayed in a box for 45 minutes or so, then they may have gotten an overcharge of overly excited Orgone energy which can be harmful

With Reiki, your intervention was presumably for a shorter duration?
 
 
illmatic
09:09 / 09.08.04
It was me you were talking too - I'll send you an email. I've never bult one, but I know someone who has and I'm reasonably well genned up on them.

With regard to Reich and Reiki, Crystals and suchlike.... hmmm. Don’t wish to offend anybody but well, here goes.

Reich viewed his work, without qualification as a science. He was actually imprisoned not for the results of his research, or malpractice, as many think - but for contempt of court – he stated that the court had no authority over natual scientific research and refused to appear. A mistake, and everybody's loss really – who knows where his research would have taken him if he’d lived longer? Anyway, I’m digressing…

If Reich’s basic thesis about orgone is correct, then his work is indeed a science. It rests on rigours research and experimentation that can be verified through the scientific method - repeatable experiments. He is definitely NOT a mystic (and is in fact quite scathing about mysticism – see Ether, God and the Devil). In a sense, this thread is in totally the wrong forum…

Reich would have hated a lot of the more “cosmic” appropriations of his work – as these more speculative theories are not being grounded in science, and have no provable theories behind them, let alone critical thinking. I’m not being disparaging about crystals or Reiki as I know very little about either of them in practical terms. However, I would say if you want to understand Reich, it’s best to approach him with these considerations in mind, and try and get your head round him on his own terms, repeat his experiments and see what happens... other elements can be factored in later on if one feels it's appropriate.
 
 
BARISKIL666
22:33 / 09.08.04
As someone who's dabbled in both Reiki and Orgone technology I'd say that in lay mans terms they are one in the same(Reiki being life enhancing "good" orgone.)Also being the same as Ki/Chi/The force what ever.
Warning,Orgone acumulators can acululate "bad" orgone called Dor as well as the good stuff,it depends on what type of energy sourounds them.I'm sure if you stuck your head inside one sitting underneath some electricity lines,or in a place that has real bad Feng shui,or in bad weather conditions,(or in an aluminium caravan?) you'd be in for a blinding headache.The one accumulator I built as mentioned above only seemed to have positive effects,though they were not all that powerful.I also made an orgone pillow according to the kosher plans,it didn't seem to hot either,probably didn't do enough experementation with it.
True that Reich was a hard scientist and didn't go in for the Magick/Mystic end of things,but he did have a big effect on the modern Magickal Western tradition,(ie-Isreal Regardie)and it was his work and a long trip that got me into Magick in the first place.Never had an interest in such hocus pocus till I started seeing blue light coming out of trees,and "fairies" following me about etc..
By all accounts,do yor research before you experement too readily.
I'm quoting from memory here,but in "Places Of Power" by Paul deveraux the accumulator used was a pyramid made from layers of copper and wood,also the Kings Chamber in the great Pyramid in Eygypt is an accumulator,that has layers of limestone/granite above it.
I do know with experementation that chambered dolmens seem to be Orgone acumulators that use layers of soil/stone,I've seen blue light streaming out of them before.
 
 
BARISKIL666
22:38 / 09.08.04
i'd be very interested in peoples actual practical experience with Orgone,as opposed to De Meos findings.It's a feild that I'm looking into again.
 
 
Glandmaster
23:18 / 22.08.04
wow food for thought - im in web cafe hell at the mo but now in London - any locals want to have a go at one of these from a research angle?

Ive got a rilly, rilly big 1st aid kit
 
 
BARISKIL666
21:01 / 24.08.04
I made another Orgone pillow,and it seems to be doing the trick,nothing spectacular or anything,but it does seem to ease my sore neck a bit.This time I made sure that the metal wool bit that contacts the body was accesable,ie- the bag that I put it in,had lots of lttle holes cut in it,last time I just put it in a polythene bag without holes, which would have blocked the flow.
 
  

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