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Dear Friends,

I want to post short pieces of writing from two different authors, one a female Tantra Teacher, the other a Devotee of a Female Domme (Femdomme) practicing energy raising via orgasm denial. Both speak of reaching "altered states" which are probably basically the same as the Gnostic state that occurs when the mind "blinks" at the moment of (normal) orgasm, when a sigel may be charged, or the moment of collapse when using a death posture.

OK, those two offer very brief windows of opportunity. But the much longer lasting states brought on by the very basic Tantra and Femdom practices mentioned below should offer much better possibilities.

The question is, how would you use them in the Work? For instance, the state descried by the Domme's devotee would last much longer than a typical male ejaculation and might probably be considered a full body orgasm (or whatever).

Would you keep a sigel handy during the whole thing, once the intensity had built enough so you were sure the State had set in? Could you gaze upon a series of sigels? Or better still, could the Domme and her devotee formulate their statements of Will during their session, create sigels, and charge them all in the same sitting, so to speak?

OK. Here are the two writings.

- - quoting devotee "aural" - - -

“As a submissive male i am finding a practice of orgasm denial and fetishism is helpful in learning exquisite sensual pleasures of serving, without 'me' getting in the way. For example, after being denied several weeks the mind (and body) begin to adapt. [The first few weeks are absolute hell].

If i am able to serve a Goddess by a foot and leg massage and i know without a doubt i will not be having an orgasm, then my mind sublimates all that lust and i'm free to consider EVERYTHING BUT myself. Wow! i never knew how very narrow a window i was peeking through until i let go.

When i consciously know this massage is "all" that's going to happen, and really feel the truth of being very fortunate to touch the Goddess before me in a sensual way, THAT becomes a very powerful elixir. Her foot, leg, and thigh (if She's generous) literally embody ALL that you desire.

The delerium of orgasm denial energy becomes so potent, and you're passionately kneading Exquisite Sex Flesh it becomes much easier to step through the boundary of ego and just "BE". Moaning passionate writhing, the energy vibrates along sensual meridians and you feel all your energy centers radiating by virtue of synergy with HER. A wonderful and truely insightful experience.

Of course, the ego is relentless. It is waiting for you as soon as the high passes; those unconscious impulses are right there coming at you. That's when you learn to develop more rituals or practices that bring you back to the silence, or at least keep you in an affirmative head space as much as possible.

- - - end of devotee "aural's" piece - - -

He's definitely describing a Gnostis state, is he not?

- - - quoting Tantric Coach "She" - - -

Simple Practice for Learning Ejaculation Control

by "She"

This is a simplified version of the hold back technique that I use during coaching sessions with men. Ejaculation Control is a skill, just like riding a bike, cooking, or driving a car. It should be practiced on an ongoing basis and until you have developed the skill. Once you have mastered this technique, your body will respond to your mind by command and much of the mechanical parts of the practice can then be discarded. As a note, I do not teach or recommend the finger-lock method. My preference is for you to strengthen the anal sphincter muscle and prostate, which are the centers of control for preventing the release of semen.

Get yourself in a state of relaxation. This practice can be done after a long bath or shower or a nap or some period of rest or relaxation. Remember that this is PRACTICE and the goal is to develop a skill, so be patient with yourself.

1. Sitting up or lying down, bring yourself (or have your partner stimulate you) to the point of release (at the point of release, the next steps happen simultaneously):

2. The tip of the tongue is placed at the rough of the mouth (the tongue helps to conduct the energy); the chin goes down towards the chest and forms what is called a chin lock;

3. Squeezing the anal sphincter muscles as tight as you can (this is called a root lock);

4. INHALE: Sucking or drawing the energy (jing) from the testicles into the chest as deeply as you can (almost like sucking a thick milk shake with a straw) - you are also drawing the semen back into the body thru the vans defrens, the tube that is in the penis or lingam;

5. Hold the chin lock AND the energy in the chest for several seconds while you begin to contract the anal sphincter muscles...pumping the sperm back up into the body using the small sucking breaths (if needed) along with the contractions.

6. HOLD IT, HOLD IT, HOLD IT... (not longer than 7 seconds, holding the breath for longer periods of time in this state is not healthy).

7. And then s-l-o-w-l-y... RELEASE the muscle locks, release the breath... slowly pushing the energy back down into the body from the chest, cooling yourself off (think cool...cool...cool...)

Practice this three or more times, bringing yourself to the point of release and then hold back and cool the energy...Do not worry if you lose erection, this is to be expected. It will be easier to regain firmness each time you hold back.

The very Sacred Sex practice of MAITHUNA can not be properly engaged without the male mastering his lingam through hold-back technique.

Eventually, you will begin to actually experience the sensation of energy tingling up the spine. This is Pranic energy (prana is the subtle life-giving energy found in food, air, water and land . We absorb it into our bodies by eating, drinking, breathing, etc.) and a good sign that the vital essences of semen are being reabsorbed.

You may choose not to release and thus, thus sensations of elation and, very often, an altered state of consciousness will begin to develop and stay with you for longer periods of times: hours and then days.

If you do release, practice hold back several times before letting go. By doing so, most of the vital essence of the semen is reabsorbed into the body and what is then ejaculated is similar to waste material. When this is practiced with intention, it is called the "extraction method" of ejaculation control.

(Of course, concentration becomes more difficult when in union with another than in self-pleasure. Through consistent practice and coaching sessions with a sex coach (or your lover), you will be able to achieve complete mastery over your lingam.)

Ongoing Practices to Strengthen Sex Muscles

Strengthening the prostate and anal sphincter muscles will aid your ability to retain semen.

Flexing this area (squeezing and releasing) throughout the day, while driving, sitting or walking, is an easy way to build the walls of the muscular tissues.

While urinating, practice releasing in spurts, cutting of the fluid in small amounts until your bladder is empty.

- - - end of Tantric Coach "She's" piece - - -

Allow me to repeat her:

"You may choose not to release and thus, thus sensations of elation and, very often, an altered state of consciousness will begin to develop and stay with you for longer periods of times: hours and then days."

Ok, maybe not hours and days right away, but certainly, in both cases, for much of the time when the couple is together (engaged in the act), one or both of them are experiencing the Gnostic state. This amounts to more than the typical "flash in the pan" blink of the mind that occurs during male ejaculation.

So how would you change the practice of the Work to adapt it to this? I'm expecting some very interesting answers and I'll leave you with this. Considering how afraid "THEY" were of Wilhelm Reich, what do you think this kind of stuff might accomplish? You say you want to "ban the bush?" Maybe this is your chance!

Hmmm.... "She" says "Of course, concentration becomes more difficult when in union with another than in self-pleasure."

Not, I'll stress, when "another" has one tied up or stuffed into a chastity device, :-)

I spoke with "She" once and could not quite convince her of the benefits to be had by adapting certain femdom techniques. Comments?

beautifultoxin, thanks for supplying this food for thought. I cannot engulf it all in one lump, please allow me to break it into pieces, as we warm blooded creatures do.

I'll answer your last question first. Idries Shah, if you know of him, told of being at some venue to give a talk. One of his fans managed to corner him on the hotel stairway where he said to Shah, "Master! I want to serve!" Shah, always the calm one, turned on the landing and pointed to the window. "Very well," he said, "jump through this window." The would-be devotee looked puzzled and disappointed, but nevertheless he drew back the curtains and moved to lift the heavy, old fashioned lower sash. "No!" said Shah. "I said THROUGH the window!" His poor admirer gave a shout and ran off. Shah was a coulda-been-didn't-wanna-be Sufi Guru who wanted to demonstrate that such devotees are usually interested in "serving" their own desires, under their own capacity to understand them. Who knows? Could it have been that the local window glass repairman was "meant" to visit the hotel that day and just happen to meet Shah or someone in is entourage? But you know about that sort of thing, no doubt. Dry cleaning? If it's dry cleaning You want, it's dry cleaning I'll fetch You.

Next (first) question. "Why does this work demand a group-context? What does that give that working alone does not?" I'm sorry; I may not have made this clear enough. The group is for the purpose of having a group (groupS, more precisely), not for having group rituals. Though that's possible, I understand that as you say, "...there is a gaping expanse, wider than Kali's inviting maw, between experiencing ecstatic sexuality in a solo rite and in crafting that rite into a group mindfuck." I suspect that most of the participants would rather work alone on the domming and ritual side of it.

Why does anybody form a group? There are many reasons. Safety; reinforcement (in many ways); having a mutual-appreciation society; having the ability to work for the same goals (social - political - religious - pecuniary - etc.). There must be many more. For this group, the goal is to have not one monolithic group, but an ever-expanding host of non-connected, or at best loosely-connected local groups, organizing (loosely) in their home areas, devising and popularizing useful protocols and techniques. Thus, 'cult' is the wrong term to use. "Cults" is more precise.

Knowing how difficult it is to get more than three together for lunch, Three seems to be a useful number to use for each node. Three is also the number of a classic "revolutionary cell;" and for a Goddess revival, Three seems a 'natural.'

A group can take better advantage of limited funds and resources of all kinds.

I would think the overall concept should be tailored to appeal to a wide range of women.

a.) Full blown Pro-Dommes

b.) Semi-pros (it seems every escort and classified listing chick is into "fetishes" these days.

c.) Those who wish to enhance existing relationships

d.) Those who really do want to head their own 'cult' and own the proverbial string of boy-toys, or whatever.

e.) The occasional wild woman, in search of never-ending *pleasures* (She's probably not to be found at netcom, if you get my drift, over in SF on the bay there).

f.) Those with mainly 'spiritual' interests.

g.) Other categories

Now then, using this template, all of the above could take part in their own way/s; and they could interact and benefit from each other's "aquaintencehood," rather than running each other down or ignoring each other. They could, for instance, pass males back and forth to the most useful spots. There is no saying that one node should be only Pro-Dommes; another "spiritists," and so on. And there's no hard, fast rule that someone would even need to be part of a group. Some wouldn't care to be, yet they could still contribute.

Judging by your choice of screen names, I wonder if you are someone who is engaged in a 'snaky' field of endeavor.... say, reptile rescue? (Surely a *pleasure*) If so, know that I included the little scaled darling in the PDF in memory of your ancient posts on a.s.f. If it is you, I commented once in that newsgroup that you ought to start just this sort of 'cult.' Do tell. (But I didn't comment there often, so you probably don't remember me.)

Who is the audience? I mentioned some of them above, though I understand that people are so fickle you might need a separate approach, color scheme, and "artistic style" to reach each and every one of them. The corporate bitch goddess surely has her place, but one does not build a movement on 'bread' alone.

I'll also confess that one male influence in the PDF is Elmer Wheeler, of "sell the sizzle, not the steak" fame. I'm not sure I've achieved that. Yet.

Next question: "Did you dick get harder and harder imagining what powerful femdommes reading it might think? Are you swelling at the thought of organizing a worldwide web of Tantric mayhem?"

I don't want to organize it, beautifultoxin. I want You to do that, and others. It makes little difference to me if I am part of it or not; and I certainly don't expect to be part of it at any but my home town level.

I'm not really imagining hoards of powerful femdommes reading it; I really do intend to place the classified ad mentioned in the PDF and recruit that way. I don't imagine I can train the respondees, though. So knowledgeable femdommes may be needed.

I will wait until I have accumulated some advice and opinions before I proceed in that direction.

Making the PDF didn't really do it for me. My dick does get harder as I write the short story that I'm preparing to distribute with the PDF You may read the first two chapters at the link below. I have the personal knowledge to write maybe two more chapters. If by that time my 'Holy Guardian Angel' does not make it here from Indiana, I may be stuck for material. Please have a look.

The Story of Michelle

Final comments: As you'll see in the story linked above, I am conjuring up "a solid psychic narrative structure into which you can let loose your desires for a magical, sexy, femme domme paradise." I am putting myself in service to it, and will be receiving some help at that.

However, the proposed organization is meant to be something else and I don't expect to have much to do with it, if anything, except locally. Feel free to steal my ideas or (more likely) improve upon them. Please send them to anyone who may be interested.

As for being humiliated and objectified, if reading "all and everything" about the mysterious "G" didn't do that to me, I suspect nothing will. In fact, when the one "remarkable" femdomme I know in my home town, asked if I was into humiliation, I replied that I couldn't think of anything she could do that would humiliate me, but if I should accidentally offend her or insult her, then I would be humiliated; and I would not be into that at all.

As for Femdommes already having a Tantric group / cult, I hope it's true; I suspect they have several. But otherworld kingdoms and such are not going to cause much change overall. Forget about group "workings" in the magic realm being difficult. Groups themselves are among the most difficult things to build. Thus the reason for the ideas presented here. Easy I-in-the-Triangle stuff...

I make no claim to having all the answers though, nor to even know all the necessary questions.

Thanks again for your intriguing comments. I look forward to any response you may see fit to type. It's been, as they say at netcom, a *pleasure* .