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Tarot pack of choice

 
 
+am
23:04 / 26.07.04
anyone care to share their (shop-bought, i'm only a beginner) tarot set of choice? or offer any recommendations/disses regarding the various decks? i obtained a Golden Dawn Magical Tarot a few years back but it just looked and felt very wrong to me. didn't get on with it at all. quite attracted to crowley's thoth deck, but it always says "not for beginners!!" next to it, which is kinda off-putting. i like the idea of having pictures on the minor arcana, which the golden dawn one didn't have. quite interested by the Quest tarot, which has quite cool computer generated images and a LOAD of information on each card, including gemstones, i-ching, runes, and also (which raised my eyebrow) stuff like the court cards being coded across the top for skin color, eye color, and hair color. which is either ridiculous or fantastic, i don't know. probably both. anyway i was using this list here which has loads of them. but i have a headache now. so i wonder if anyone had reccomendations or whatever. thanks.
 
 
Sekhmet
23:20 / 26.07.04
mysticwreck - I had just asked this question (among others) in this thread very recently, and a few people have responded there, if you want to take a look.

That site you linked is great; would you mind linking it in the other thread too?

I'm also a total beginner, but the advice I've gotten from many people is to start with the "classic" Rider-Waite deck, or one that is based on the RW designs (as many of the available decks are). My personal fave is the Aquarian deck by David Palladini, which is derived from the RW deck.

Choosing a Tarot deck seems to be a very personal thing. It would probably be easier to go to a store with a good selection, handle a few decks, and see the designs in person, rather than select something from online - I find the designs and colors often don't translate well digitally, and of course you can't feel them on a computer screen!

Best of luck!
 
 
illmatic
07:38 / 27.07.04
I had a pack called The Cosmic Tarot for a while - what I liked about it was the minor arcana were fully illustrated as well as the major. Lovely illustrations as well.
 
 
illmatic
07:43 / 27.07.04
Found it in that link - Nobert Losche. What a fantastic name.
 
 
illmatic
07:46 / 27.07.04
BTW, if you are a bit daunted by the Thoth Deck, Lon Milo Duquette has a new book out offering a through explanation/examination of it. His other books are pretty great, so I don't see why this one would be any different.
 
 
rising and revolving
12:30 / 27.07.04
DuQuettes book on the Thoth Tarot is pretty freaking good, actually. Even if you don't use the Thoth, if you're utilising Tarot inside a ceremonial magic foundation, you can't go past it. There's just SO much good information there, and all of it delivered in a no-nonsense fashion.

Although I still think Tzaddi IS the Star.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:33 / 27.07.04
It's Pamela Coleman Smith all the way as far as I'm concerned. Refuse to call it the "Rider Waite" as I reckon it should be named after the artist who drew it, not the publishing company and the guy who commissioned it. Despite being possibly the world's most popular deck and widely considered the "classic" tarot, so few people seem to be aware of the personage who actually painted it.

I find "Pixie" Smith quite an interesting character. One of the few (only?) black members of the Golden Dawn, artist and set designer, who died unknown and forgotten in a paupers grave. Whilst her work has since gone on to achieve international renown almost independently of her.

Waite gave her fairly detailed instructions for designing the Major Arcana, which are elucidated at length (and slightly tedously) in his book The Key to the Tarot. But basically left her to her own devices in designing the Minor Arcana, which is without a doubt the best part of the deck. Waite barely even mentions the minor cards in his book, limiting his discussion to a couple of dismissive lines per card. But it's in the minor arcana that Smith's deck comes alive. Apparently drawing on Caribbean folklore to dramatise the concepts of the minor cards, hers was the first deck to actually represent the minor arcana figuratively.

All previous decks had shown pips like a normal pack of playing cards. The practice of painting representative designs on the minor cards was hugely influenced, if not invented, by Smith in her designs for the minor arcana.

And it's the minor cards with their haunting ambiguous imagery that, to my mind, makes the deck so effective for divination. It speaks in a very immediate visual language that is really instinctive to work with, and if you're approaching tarot for divinatory as opposed to meditative purposes, that's pretty much what you want.

The Thoth deck is an extraordinary modernist work of art and a beautiful synthesis of Crowley's ideas and influences, but I don't personally rate it for divination. Too much going on. If you ask it whether you're going to get a job, it'll have you looking up the gemetria of the turtle and the planetary attributions of the thistle leaf before you get an answer.

I see the Thoth deck as an excellent visual tool for gaining a close understanding of the Quabbala (and other systems) in terms of Thelema, rather than an Oracle. I think this is why it's often considered an "advanced" deck, not because its somehow a superior tool for divination. If you don't really work specifically within a western trad/Thelemic system, and you're just looking for a good deck of cards to use as an oracle, the Thoth deck might be innapropriate. Pictures look great, but can be difficult to relate to the kind of everyday concerns that an oracle is often concerned with. Unlike the Pamela Smith deck, which absolutely excels at addressing the minuteia of everyday life.
 
 
illmatic
12:51 / 27.07.04
On that note, has anyone ever used an ordinary deck of cards (as immortalised in the song by Prince Far I) as a divination tool? What were your results?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:33 / 27.07.04
Rockin' good post on Pixie Smith there, Gypsy! Her tarot deck is my favourite too (she also did a lot to popularise the Afro-Caribbean "Anansi" spider-trickster stories over here too). When I was 'learning the ropes' tarot-wise I used the Pamela Smith deck together with the Thoth Deck, and a third set called "The Sexual Tarot" drawn by an old teacher of mine and produced by Chris Bray as a limited edn. By meditating & using the different versions of each card as an 'astral doorway' I built up my own range of meanings/correspondences. I started with the court cards, and took about 2 years to build up a range of associations for both magical work and 'daily life' readings.
 
 
C.Elseware
14:34 / 27.07.04
I've always thought it would be interesting to start with 100(ish) blank cards and write/draw on them as you used them. But it's a huge undertaking and I have other ways I should be conducting my energy.

Rider Waite: Pretty much what Gypsy L. just said.

Also, I've always had this kinda sense that the land portraited in the rider waite (pamala smith) cards would be an interesting focus for dream work. Only a few of the major arcarna feel like they are set in that 'territory', but all the minor arcarna are with the exception of the three of swords and Seven of cups. I've never really done much with focused dreaming, but it's where I'd try and go if I did. I have this urge to walk from the plains of the death card towards the two towers on the horizon, and thus reach the Moon card. Finding a way to cross the water and climb the cliffs, the same water as the Three of wands I believe...
 
 
subcultureofone
15:06 / 27.07.04
my favourite tarot deck doesn't exist in printed form yet. it's the 80's tarot . if you like 80's music, you must see this! i have a p.smith deck and the wise woman's tarot. the most useful thing i've found has been a book by jana riley called the tarot dictionary and compendium. it has interpretations by several different authors- angeles arrien, norma cowie, aleister crowley, pamela eakins, mary greer, vicki noble, a.e waite, barbara walker, some others. there is also a section on correspondences for the major arcana -astrological, runestones, gemstones, plant essence, qaballah, etc.
 
 
betty woo
15:43 / 27.07.04
I've got three decks at present, only one of which I use on a regular basis:

Aquarian Deck - I like this one, but the deck itself was a gift from an ex and so carries a not-great energy. Can't bear to toss it, so I store it wrapped in black silk and a wooden box.

Pamela Coleman Smith (Rider-Waite): bought to use along with Kraig's Modern Magick course, but never really clicked with it, probably because I'm overly fond of my main deck...

Thoth: this was my first proper deck, and still my favorite. I started off with Crowley's The Book of Thoth and Gerd Ziegler's Mirror of the Soul, and never had much problem grasping the symbolism or structure of the deck. Haven't read the Duquette book yet, but The Magick of Thelema was fantastic, so I'd expect his take on the tarot to be useful as well. Generally, I use the tarot for sussing out spiritual trends in my life, rather than direct divination, so the vagueness of the Thoth readings isn't a bother.

My real first stab at tarot reading used an ordinary deck of cards and was based on some "gypsy" system my best friend had turned up. We were 14 and reading too many fantasy novels; I recall the results being rather bang-on, but a lot of that might have been teen wankomancy.
 
 
gale
16:07 / 27.07.04
Strange, but I use the Thoth deck for divination and the Pamela Smith R.-W. deck for meditating.

I was given a deck by a friend that I never used. It was the first politically correct tarot deck I ever saw! The Death card was called "change" and the Devil was "materialism," etc. I don't remember the name of the deck. I have begun using the cards as bookmarks...

Another deck that I have is the Haindl tarot. I got it because of the beautiful artwork, but have never used it. I think I'll get it out and take a look at it.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:32 / 27.07.04
Being sad like that I must admit I like using the Vertigo Tarot set, Dave McKeans designs are very evocative, but I find the card used difficult to handle smoothly.
 
 
h3r
18:04 / 27.07.04
i am surprised nobody has mentioned the B.O.T.A. deck. possibly because its not always commercially available? Paul Foster Case is definitely one of the cooler authorities on the subject, while not as widely recognized as for example Waite.
one can order it directly from B.O.T.A. with the paint them yourself instructions which IMHOis an excellent way of getting to know the Tarot keys on a deeper level.
i own many different decks ( being a packrat and representative of the Buy -It-All-Now -generation , but my daily-use-deck is the Universal Waite, its illustrations resonate the most with me, plus the specific edition which happened to find its way into my hands has a good design on the back of the cards, its a quality edition that feels good.
For meditation purposes and studying I stick to the B.O.T.A. deck, there's none like it to me...
 
 
electric monk
02:34 / 28.07.04
I'm with Our Lady on the Vertigo Tarot. McKean's a fave rave of mine. I bought my set about eight years before I started on the magick stuff, so we've had a lot of time to bond. I wouldn't think of using anything else, though I can't say I'd recommend them. It is, after all, a bit sad & laughable.

I tell ya tho: even those who don't read comics find the deck especially pretty. Folks always ooh and aah over 'em the first time I do a reading for them.

Oh, and mine are ensconced in a purple velveteen drawstring bag and follow me everywhere I go. Cuz a brutha neva know.
 
 
Aertho
15:11 / 28.07.04
I'm with Gypsy for the populist angle. And thanks again to her for that interesting anecdote. I immediately googled Pamela Coleman Smith.

Now, I've got a q or 2.

First, has anyone ever built a Tarot deck of their own? How did it go? I developed one, but I based it on ISO symbols and made it so universal that it feels boring and godless. Oy and Ah well.

Secondly, what's the whole shlaboozle over Tzaddi, Crowley, the Emperor and The Star?
 
 
rising and revolving
19:39 / 28.07.04
Tzaddi, the Star, the Emperor, etc.

The Hebrew letters are assigned to the various tarot trumps in the GD system (and therefore, by derivation, in Thelema as well) and the overall result of this is pretty much one for one attributions - except we place the Fool as 0, meaning Aleph (the first letter of the Hebrew alefbet) is assigned to the Fool - from there, Beth (2nd letter) is the Magician (Numbered 1) and so on. Which pretty elegantly lines up the 22 Hebrew letters with the 22 Trumps of the Tarot (and therefore the 22 paths on the Tree of Life).

This system handily aligns Tzaddi with the Star.

Now, Crowleys reception of the Book of The Law is where things get a bit tricky, containing as it does the lines "All these old letters of my Book are aright; but (Tzaddi) is not the Star. This also is secret: my prophet shall reveal it to the wise."

Crowley apparently took a while to work out what the deal was here, and eventually came to the conclusion that, for assorted reasons (primarily astrological, as best I understand) Tzaddi ought to be the Emperor, and He the Star.

This ultimately smooths out the association of the cards to the splitting of the Tetragrammaton (YHVH) into Father/Mother/Son/Daugher - as He is the letter for both Mother and Daughter, it doesn't 'feel' right to associate He with the Emperor, a card of Masculine authority.

However, if you look at the assignments of Hebrew letters to the Tree of Life, we find He connecting Chesed and Tiphareth. I personally find that a natural location for the Emperor, rather than for the Star. Tzaddi, on the other hand, connects Netzach and Yesod - a very reasonable place to assign the Star, I believe.

I'm really not sure that helps to clarify anything ... but I hope it provides a 'jumping off' point for the whole deal. There's a LOT more to the arguments on both sides, both Thelemic and GD (and magical order agnostic, for that matter) - but it is one of the major changes in the Thoth deck, along with the substitution of the Aeon for Judgement.

If anything there is in error, please feel free to correct me... this is discussed very clearly indeed in DuQuettes book, by the way.
 
 
quinine92001
02:59 / 30.07.04
I am with a few of the posters here: create your own. First study the tarot, mediate on what each card means then invest in a polaroid or digital camera, click away. Sketch,draw, crayon whatever you want. Cut and paste your own arcana make it personal more focused.
Or you can do what I did-buy the Vertigo Tarot.
Playing cards is another option check out the link previously mentioned on the board, by the way does anyone here know the extact rules to tarocchi?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:19 / 31.07.04
On that note, has anyone ever used an ordinary deck of cards (as immortalised in the song by Prince Far I) as a divination tool?

After the Pixie Smith deck, my favourite is probably the Rocksteady Tarot, in which each of the court cards is represented by a different Jamaican reggae star. Prince Buster of Whining and Grining. Prince Fari of Heavy Manners. Sir Coxsone of Downbeats. Duke Read of Trojans. The Sun is represented by the Lion Head of Jah shining over the island. Death is a rude boy firing a pistol. The Devil is Babylon, City of Wickedness. The Magician is Lee Perry in the Black Ark studio. The Lovers is Gregory Isaacs and Phyliss Dillon singing a duet. The Chariot is a carnival float. The Empress wears batty riders and winds her body. The Heirophant is Count Ossie on the drums, running things in N'yabhingi Grounation. The Hanged Man is Jimmy Cliff reaching the end of the line in 'The Harder They Come', etc...
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
00:47 / 04.08.04
I did a pathworking on the Magician card in the Rocksteady Tarot and only got the same Momus song playing over and over:

"Well they're spying on me from the tape recorders
All the people say I'm out of order
I've been sent to Earth from outer space
As a warning to the human race
Well the dogs are howling at the moon
And an orchestra is out of tune
I've got a blue guitar

"And I'm driving in my car to Abyssinia
Cos life over there is better by far
From Philadelphia to Jamaica
I'm sick to the death of the way things are
I'm over the abyss, can't take much more of this
Don't want to kill myself you see there's too much risk
The pills don't work, the gun might miss
They say schizophrenia's a fine madness

"And I'm sad to say I'm on my way
I won't be back for many a day
Well the bank is stealing all my cash
I know that flight 13 is going to crash
I know that people don't like me
I know that's because I call thin thin, I call fat fat
Well I know the messiah's coming down
I had to leave my little girl in Kingston town

"So tell me how far to Abyssinia
The second on the left after Jamaica
I'm driving in my car, running way far
From things as they are ..... schizophrenia!

"There are forces out to destroy me
And I know you think I'm paranoid
Because I say there's a big conspiracy
Well it's a self-fulfilling prophecy
I've got a blue guitar

"Wishing 'pon a star
Wishing 'pon a star
Sitting in a bar with a broken heart
What do you call it when your life falls apart?
Schizophrenia, schizophrenia
Carry me away to Abyssinia
We'll play a little song of the way things are
For things are changed upon a blue guitar
Things are changed upon a synthesiser

"All the ladies in the house go 'Lah dee dah'
Listen to the man with the blue guitar
Shake up your bosom take it out of your bra
Fruits in the pockets of a cornucopia
Schizophrenia, schizophrenia
I've got a broken heart and my head's in a mess
And the train is at the station and the steam begin to hiss
Take me anywhere away from all this!

"Toss the caber, do the highland fling
Your daddy's gonna buy you a diamond ring
He's got a battering ram, a battering ram
And he's got a little problem with who I am
From Jamaica to Philadelphia
Lee Scratch Perry to Frank Sinatra
Somewhere over the rainbow: madness!"

(Momus "The Madness of Lee Scratch Perry")
 
 
illmatic
07:28 / 04.08.04
I'd say that's an encouraging sign, BiaS. My earliest experiences with the Rocksteady Tarot were similar but I knew I'd cracked it when travelling on a bus through Hackney, I "heard" clairvoyant audio of Dennis Brown singing a medley of his greatest hits. Interesting enough, Prince Far I's cut "Deck of Cards" taken from his album Under Heavy Manners is seen by some as a reference to the Rocksteady Tarot. Alledgley there's an ultra-rare dubplate version with him toasting the attributions listed above, in place of the original lyrics.
 
 
gale
22:43 / 07.08.04
Hi,

For all interested, I just found out that Linda Falorio will be reissuing her Shadow Tarot (22 cards depicting the tunnels of Set) this Fall, and also a 78-card deck.

Images of the cards can presently be viewed at anandazone.
 
 
+am
22:44 / 09.08.04
heheh just read the posts about the rocksteady tarot, sounds ace! but i ain't ready for that yet i fear. thanks everyone for the response and for revealing yr personal choices. for what its worth i settled on the "radiant rider-waite" tarot, which came out in 2003 and looks real nice (on this monitor anyway, oh no!!). the images and style instantly appealed to me and it seemed just what i'd been looking for. and now... i begin.
 
 
dsalvatore
05:44 / 21.08.04
I currently have five tarot decks, only two of which I use on a regular basis:

The Art Nouveau Tarot by Michael Myers (not THAT Mike Myers...) was my favorite for at least five years or so, and I still use it fairly often. For a long time I worked only with the Major Arcana, and when I did, I used only his. The images are really beautiful and textual and the cardstock is of quality. I also foud that the symbol on the back of the cards could be contemplated to quickly reach the desired altered state of consciousness. This is one of those decks that uses each of the Minor Arcana to tell a story, though, and I find that a bit intrusive for reading purposes.

The Zerner-Farber Tarot by Monte Farber and Amy Zerner is my current favorite. They're these lovely little collage cards. What I don't like is that they're made of really flimsy paper and use "Princess" and "Prince" instead of Knight and Page. But the Minor Arcana is especially useful and I've gotten consistantly great results with this deck.

My other decks are:

The Ancient Tarots of Lombardy, which I actually really like and just can't seem to get around to using. The Major Arcana uses some really startling images, like "The Popess" instead of "The Priestess," which actually give it a really nice basis to work with. The Minor Arcana is really simple, more like playing cards, and I'm not a huge fan of that, either.

The Goddess Tarot by Kris Waldehrr. I really dislike this deck. Not only are the cards too big to easily handle, but I just generally can't work with all the cards in the Major Arcana being female figures. And most of them have been renamed. I just get really confused and out of sync. That said, they're really pretty to look at.

The Sacred Circle Tarot by Anna Franklin and Paul Mason. The only thing I dislike about this deck is, once again, the size of the cards. These are just way too big. Other than that I really enjoy these--and the book they come with is very interesting.
 
  
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