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Lentation

07:10 / 24.07.04

Anyone familiar with, or trained in, this technique, also known as Tineko, chronokinesis, matrixing, time control, etc.?
A series of meditation, reflex and visualisation exercises developed by Darkduck of the Veritas magick forums
Veritas
to induce time dialation through the use of adrenaline's properties as a neurotransmitter booster- sort of "bullet time" in short bursts. It worked, and practitioners reported amazing results- wall running like Trinity, absolute 0WN4G3 in sparring, but Darkdark yanked the PDF manual from circulation, claiming dangerous side-effects- berzerk strength, reckless behaviour, bloodclots, addictive properties, spontaneous lentation, and such.
My own research suggests long-term use could result in immune system suppression from General Adaptation Syndrome ...
Is there a safe way to train Lentation, and the martial art that was being developed to exploit it, Tineko? Do other systems of martial arts, magick or physical culture share these techniques? Is Darkduck being a dog in the manger, or is Lentation THE DEVIL? DID AGENT SMITH MAKE HIM TAKE THE MANUAL DOWN? And how can I eat my Orgasm Cake if there is no spoon?!
They REALLY don't like talking about it at the Veritas site, and if Lentation/Tineko is still being refined, they ain't saying. But we're smart guys, we'll figure it out.

11:58 / 24.07.04

I think that book Matrix Warrior will show exactly how it's done. Be warned, though: it's something of a mindbomb.

20:37 / 24.07.04

I've spontaneously experienced time slowing down in stressful situations. The one that sticks with me the most was a schoolyard incident in which a couple of kids were pursuing and throwing rocks at me. Everything appeared to be happening very slowly. My sense of sight was very sharp - odd, because I wasn't wearing my glasses. I still have a perfect memory of this event, but it is without color, like watching a very clear B&W 3D movie. The time-slowing has happened in a few more situations (though never the loss of color in memory).

A side effect of the time-slowing, in my case at least, is a temporary loss of coherent thought. Everything works solely from instinct. This is not a state I'm comfortable with so I've tried to voluntarily bring it on. I suppose it could be done by voluntarily upping my stress levels...adrenaline, like you said.

Skeleton Camera

23:08 / 24.07.04

I too have had this happened - the time-delay - and I think it's common in any sort of adrenalized situation. Accident victims report it so often it's almost cliche as a descriptive tool.

What are these meditations and martial arts, though?

(And come to think of it, it can work through basic meditation too. Tuning out during various activities and letting instinct take over often causes a time-lag as well.)

00:01 / 25.07.04

What are the exercises? Well, that's the thing- see, policy at Veritas is, posters asking about Lentation will be BANNED.

04:51 / 25.07.04

I'm writing a book on space/time magick right now, so this post caught my interest. The physiology of a person can be played with, as evidently this "darkduck" found out. I recommend checking out John Lilly's excellent work The Human Biocomputer and Metaprogramming, which got me started on manipulating my own physiology some years ago.

21:42 / 30.09.05

Veritas has a new thread up called Why you don't really want to learn "lentation".

20:11 / 05.10.05

search for "lentation" on veritas, one of the first 10 or so threads has a link by someone who has the file and started another forum to discuss it. The forum has almost no posts except people from veritas saying they should take it down to avoid legal action, but the PDF is there.

20:31 / 05.10.05

ok, I was going to post the link here when I found the adress again, but it appears to be missing/taken down. basically, if you meditate/combine that with some coordination excercises and possibly biofeedback, you'll happen on it eventually. However, darkduck appears to have consulted people who know what they're talking about (neurologists, according to his posts) and the consensus is that practicing lentation is, in the long term, likely to lead to stroke, aneurysm, blackouts/redouts, and general bodily collapse, so if you believe him I wouldnt try it extensively.

01:13 / 06.10.05

You can find the lentation article in archive.org, if nowhere else.

None of the techniques described in the article are going to jack your adrenaline up to dangerous levels, nor are they going to do anything to change the rate at which your nervous system transmits information. What the exercises should do, however, is give you practice at paying attention to the way your body moves, and to the sensory information coming in. These attentional effects account for the perceived change in sense of time, rather than any change in processing speed in the human nervous system.

04:41 / 06.10.05

Couldn't find anything at archive.org - I think it's been pulled.

It's a shame, too - as an asthmatic, I could use the occasional forced burst of adrenaline...

Unconditional Love

09:32 / 06.10.05

iszabelle, Daniel Reids, The Tao of Health Sex and Longevity, has some intresting techniques similar in effect to those described, Its chapter 3 in the book, The bellows breath stands out in comparison, and what he describes as the warriors breath. There are also many techniques for relaxation related to breath and posture.

22:38 / 06.10.05

Amazing that in a (sub)Culture that gives such a wide berth to practice and theory that something like Lentation has become so taboo. Feel free to talk about sadomasochistic transvestite plushy chaos rites or snorting powdered psychedelic amazonian insects for love and power but PLEASE don't talk about self-induced adrenalin boosting.

Sounds like someone somehwere is actually TRYING to make this topic more taboo than it really is...

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

04:51 / 07.10.05

Hey, inciting lactation at will sounds dangerous enought for me... oh wait...

Is it any different than when people pop up on various threads (and various forums) and demand that Thee Darke Sekrets Be Stopped Takled About or Horrible Thinges Will Happene (tm)? Being able to stand up and decry a practice as Too Dangerous For Thee Weak Minde carries a lot of cachet in some circles.

But tell me more about these transvestite chaos plushies?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

09:09 / 07.10.05

Seems like a storm in a teacup to me.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the story go something like: Guy comes up with adrenalin-boosting or whatever technique, puts article on website. Guy later discusses technique with a few medical bods, discovers that said technique is not conducive to health and happiness in the medium to long term, guy pulls article to help stop people engaging in a practice that could fuck them up, and writes an explanation as to why this has been done.

Various exitable types who want to be Neo when they grow up scream and stamp and make a big fuss, rather than (say) buckling down to learn a tried-and-tested technique like Tai Chi, because it's not sexy enough and you have to, like, learn things.

09:44 / 07.10.05

I ended up doing more research on this, and here's what I found. The actual scientific name for the phenomena is tachypsychia- Billie Jean King had the ability to bring it on by force of will when she was playing, police involved in shootouts tend to get it, so do people in car crashes. One really wild story comes from a cop in a gunfight who thought someone was slowly tossing beercans past his head, with the word "federal" printed on the bottom. Turns out these were the spent shell casings from his partner's gun flying past, slowed down and magnified by the effect.

Scrolling illustrated text file on the fight-or-flight response.

FBI newsletter in pdf format containing the "floating beer can" story.

Erle Montaigue's book on channelling the R-complex in combat.

Massad Ayoob on tachypsychia and other stress responses.

Wiki stub. Also calls it the Tachy Psyche effect, and attributes it to high levels of dopamine and norepinephrine (adrenaline, in its capacity as a neurotransmitter).

Another look at lentating in gunfights.

The sports psychology angle.

Unconditional Love

09:57 / 07.10.05

Forgive me if i am wrong, but from what i am reading this sounds much like a self controlled panic attack/anxiety attack. If you werent used to the effects it could well turn back on you. Wouldnt you need to of got used to adrenaline first in the system, say by learning to box for example and engaging in long term endurance where adranline was going to be released into the system over a long period of time, so you could build up a tolerence to its effects and recognise the character of what was happening. start at the lower end of adrenal effects first and gradually build into the phenomena as more awareness and controlled was gained over the release of adrenaline.

10:47 / 07.10.05

search for "lentation" on veritas, one of the first 10 or so threads has a link by someone who has the file and started another forum to discuss it. The forum has almost no posts except people from veritas saying they should take it down to avoid legal action, but the PDF is there.

Yep, I found it too. Tell me you found it in the end Morgue! The funny thing is that the writer of the article registered at a forum that has it and said :

Do not let this site fool you, it is a fraud and the article will never be published here!

But a link to the article itself is in the next post down!

http://www.lentation.proboards50.com/
index.cgi?board=tech&action=display&thread=1121004697

I'll have a read of it and decide for myself.

13:12 / 07.10.05

Interesting- that file looks like a later version of the on I eventually found- the old one didn't say much about Tineko, and didn't have the eye on the header. Same content, though, whatever Darkduck says, that's the real article.
Raises an interesting question, though, about the right to depublish- can or should Darkduck close Pandora's box?
I still want to see how far the development of Tineko went- it seems more like a complete system from this PDF, with stealth techniques, offensive and defensive aspects, instead of just a collection of adrenalin-induced "tricks"...

14:10 / 07.10.05

Upon closer examination of the PDF, it seems like most of the basic techniques are fairly benign coordination techniques which, if done long enough will cause spontaneous lentation (speed-shuffling cards or doing a variant on "bounce the ball on the raquetball raquet"), I havent really looked at the later stuff yet, but the basic argument I heard from Darkduck et al is that this basically stresses your body way too much to be worth it, and since its a glandular secretion your body doesnt adapt to more of it the way it would to, say, muscle stress. (the example he used was WWII vets/"Shell-shock"/ptsd as a product, in part, of adrenaline overload.) It seems about like the VGW/the scorpion loa everyone keeps kicking around-they will give you what you're looking for, but the return fee will outweigh anything you get from it unless you really need it (ie maybe you're in the army or something and need it for actual combat.) The early stuff seems fine though, Im going to work through at least the first third of the thing when I get more time.

06:24 / 09.10.05

Here's a link I found on General Adaptation Syndrome, one of the side-effects of adrenalisation.

Jumping Jack Flash it's a G.A.S.