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sleazenation
14:02 / 20.07.04
In another thread Haus described Manga as the elephant in the living room, the huge obvious thing that everyone seems to be ignoring and to a large extent this seems to be the case in the comics forum. So I’d like to pose the question why do people think this is – could it possibly be that manga is drawing in a large readership from outside western style comics traditional constituency or is there some other reason? Are western style comics and manga even comparable things?

Are there any manga readers out there? If so, let us know what books you are reading?
 
 
diz
14:40 / 20.07.04
i think that, to a large extent, Western comics readers and manga readers are different people. most Western comics readers i know (including myself) have only a very surface-level grasp of manga and anime. conversely, most of the anime and manga geeks that i know have little or no interest in Western comics.
 
 
Simplist
18:45 / 20.07.04
I'm a big manga fan, though I do still read mostly Western comics. In many ways manga as currently published has much to recommend it over most Western books--the price, the format, diversity of subject matter, the finite duration and self-contained nature of most of the stories, etc.

One of the biggest barriers I still face with manga is simply identifying what's actually worth reading and what isn't. Having read western comics for decades, I can quickly peruse any given book and get a sense of whether it's really for me, and can also easily parse reviews to extract useful info/recommendations. I've yet to develop these skills with manga, however, so it's been pretty hit and miss a lot of the time. Still, at only $10 per 200-300 page TPB (except for books from Dark Horse, who still don't quite seem to get it) impulse buys are relatively painless even when they turn out to be dissappointing.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:29 / 20.07.04
I have to say I'm mostly interested in manga-horror, Junji Ito's stuff, and Hideshi Hino in particular. This seems to be of a very high quality compared to some of the more generic 'phone book' manga available, although I'm very aware of how limited my knowledge is of the Japanese comic market, and the subsequent associated comic language. I also discovered 'Black and White'by Taiyo Matsumoto, which is a starlingly unique affair - moebius-manga, euro comic style meshed with japanese, and the results are idiosyncratic to say the least - I highly recommend it. Obviously I'm a fan of Otomo's stuff. A paltry smattering really. I guess if I asked some teenagers they could probably enlighten me, as they seem to be the biggest buyers (at least that seems to be the case in my local comics shop).
 
 
Bear
07:58 / 21.07.04
I'm currently trying to buy volume 1 and 2 of Read or Dream from someone in the States so I'll post if I get it. It's something I'd like to get into more and just looked on amazon for the book that you (sleaznation) had in the pub but it's not even published yet, bstard!
 
 
_Boboss
11:29 / 19.11.04
well it's friday, bookseller day in the office and there seems to be something afoot. tokyopop have got their biggest ever advert in the UK mainstream trade press, supported by a very favourable feature. have also noticed a couple of tokyopop things turning up in the library, just in the past week, and i don'tthink tht's a coincidence. they seem to be going for 6.99 a book, which for around 200 pages is okay. glad to have them as a big presence in the marketplace, some of their stuff looks cool enough, and the sooner manga tops-up the mixing bowl the better. now we just need a reliable publisher of bay-days in the UK and we'd be away.
 
 
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00:08 / 20.11.04
This is a pretty informative thread over at Millarworld to do with Manga that might give you some ideas on what to get.
 
 
Bed Head
14:53 / 21.11.04
I also discovered 'Black and White'by Taiyo Matsumoto, which is a starlingly unique affair - moebius-manga, euro comic style meshed with japanese, and the results are idiosyncratic to say the least - I highly recommend it.

Absolutely spot on, man. I’ve babbled at anyone who’ll listen about how outrageously good Black and White is - and I only came to it after someone babbled at me. Only need a few more people to read it, and then we can have a thread about it.

Or maybe a thread about the work of Taiyo Matsumoto. Who is really something, I think. Black and White, Number 5 ...ooh, *and* the comic that the Ping Pong film was adapted from, apparently. Is anyone reading these? This dude really should be claimed by Barbelith without delay.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:52 / 21.11.04
Just bought volume two of No.5, and it's easily the best thing I've read this year. Just so...original. Bit rushed at the mo, but will attempt to talk more coherently about it soon.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
07:00 / 22.11.04
If you like Taiyo Matsumoto, it might be worth it to track down Kudanshi, by Shinofusa Rokurou. It's only available in japanese, but the words aren't really that important. It's quite simple, about a bunch of characters in a video game, but it's very nice looking and very creative...not dissimilar to No. 5.

Other good japanese comics (is this still a thread for reccomendations?)

BLAME! by Tsuomu Nihei is good, but not out yet in the states...he did an okay wolverine comic a while back, which may be worth tracking down.

Blade of the Immortal is still going on. I believe it's being put out by dark horse on a monthly basis.

I've been reading the re-release of Otomo's Legend of Mother Sarah, and it's yummy. You should still be able to find copies of the ancient American edition in used bookstores or online.

What with Yu Yu Hakusho being on cartoon network, someone is bound to be releasing Level E by the same creator. At least, I hope so...it's quite good.

Ryouji Minagawa's ARMS is being put out by Viz, albeit with a lackluster translation. The comic is crazy stupid fun, as is Naruto and Minagawa's earlier work Spriggan.



(I just realised that I probably shouldn't be giving recomendations when I have only a vague idea what manga is available in english...)
 
 
This Sunday
05:40 / 23.11.04
I grew up reading comics from, well, various contintents, not just the States, so I didn't catch on for years to 'manga is different from comics' or 2000 AD is different from Captain America (okeh, I mean, yes there's differences, obviously, but I mean, there's differences between Fantastic Four and Strangers in Paradox - Paradise - and they both get to be good, honest, American comics, yeah?). I figure my superheroes-only, manga-only, B&W indie WW3 antho only, friends just thought I was off, or something.
Has this lead to my odd fascination of a Human Torch comic with Johnny as proper bishie? Moto Hagio's Green Lantern? Irrational love of Steam Detectives? That Tin Tin crossover with Magneto I did in the style of Jim Lee, back in junior high?
So?
I think way too much is made of cultural differences getting in the way... I mean, the reading may not be what the creator(s) intend, but is it less valid for that? I mean, if it's really odd... even sub-cultural differences can be interpretted on the fly, just like reading a comic about some alien galacto-empire or such.
And art interpretation - I've never understood the problem. I mean, can you not look at a Picasso and then a... I dunno, Mike Kelly event, and have interpretations of them? Watch 'The Man Who Knew Too Much' followed by a Tom and Jerry short, and not understand both?
I can make out a story from random ink spills on concrete, so if there's actually an intended narrative, hey, how hard can it be.
And for Americans who complain, all I can say is, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR LIEFIELD!!!
So it's just a matter of what you prefer then, art-wise, story-wise, genre-wise, whatever. Sappy romances, big fights, sketchy mania, or pop cult intense explosions are not limited to one country or one style and it just kills me that things have to be pushed and proselytized over and over, to get someone to pick up a comic because it's got funny-looking eyes or oversized biceps or, horror of horros, it's in watercolors and everybody's Chinese and fading at the edges! Without actually cracking the book open and reading a page or three, anyway.
If you don't like something, you don't like it, but I can't stand the whole pre-judge thing. I admit, sometimes you see something like, oh, cute girls in love fall into murder mystery, and think, ooh! Ooh! I must have! and it turns crap four pages in and never recovers. Or you want nothing but big explosions and glorious magic superhero splendor and the hyper-realistic painting or overly-preachy dialogue kills it. But I don't think I've ever taken a look at a cover and thought, no way, I'll never, ever, ever read that. I might not pay for it, but if a copy comes my way, I'll at least give it a shot.
From Mike Diana to Kenichi Sonoda to, to, to George Morrison or BePapas, CLAMP, and Gail Simone... there's got to be something that works for you. I'd say, unless you're blind, but you know, I've known blind kids obsessed with Batman and Ranma 1/2 comics, so even that doesn't hold.
And, in closing, I should kinda apologise for how stupidly emotional this became... and how long. Blame it on the meds and a moodiness from being sick for a week.
 
 
Mistoffelees
15:38 / 31.08.05
Everybody who´s interested in manga/anime can check out the new comics journal 269. It´s 200 pages full with this comics culture.

I bought it today and there´s lots of articles explaining to people who know almost nothing about this topic (like me) this exotic topic. They even have a glossary, where it is explained what omake, doujinshi or ukiyo-e means.
Since my experiences with this stuff can be summed up as watching captain future 25 years ago, watching my girlfriend play final fantasy and recently watching some animes at the movies, I hope that gary groth´s magazine (I read it regularly and stopped about 10 years ago) can enlighten me.

Here´s an excerpt from an article about tcj 269:

scroll down

"Before and after the massive and encompassing reviews section, there are some pretty swanky features on various manga themes. One looks at manga from the comic shop’s perspective, including the battle for manga readers with big chain bookstores. Another is a vastly insightful look at the popularity of gay themes in manga – why girls tend to like them while gays themselves may not; how they allow girls to be entertained by sex in an unthreatening way (no passive females, no threat of pregnancy); and why they sometimes skew uncomfortably young for American readers. I was also taken with “The Magnificent Forty-Niners”, an article spotlighting the group of women who revolutionized manga in the early 70s, shattering conventions, establishing new themes and idioms, and all but creating the girls’ comics industry overnight. One article did throw me a bit: an almost comically worshipful write-up for manga-influenced American artist Chynna Clugston (comparisons to Miles Davis can’t help but sound pretentious), but the author rings true on one count: Clugston’s work seems a major factor in her publisher Oni converting nearly exclusively to manga-sized and manga-styled trades."

 
 
sleazenation
07:58 / 06.09.05
TCJ's coverage of manga is nice and all, but I wonder how many people it's really going to reach. TCJ's readership is kind of limited to those that can stand the editorialising that envelopes the whole magazine.

Has Wizard ever tried to get a piece of the manga pie? If not it would seem to be missing a trick and missing out on the cool kids.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
12:53 / 06.09.05
Yeah, Wizard has put out a magazine about anime and manga on an occasional basis that sells pretty well.

There are a lot of manga I like, but the problem now is that the market is flooded, and it's hard to pikc out the gems from the dross in the Previews catalog, so I have to wait and leaf through it at the local bookstore instead of buying it from my local comic shop.
 
 
Jackie Susann
02:59 / 11.09.06
Okay, I have maybe the stupidest manga question possible. I just bought my first manga book, and I can't work out which way I'm supposed to read it. I get that it starts at what, in English, would normally be the back page. But I can't work out which way to read the panels, either vertically or horizontally. I know I could work it out if I persisted, but I feel like I'm wrecking my own reading experience if I keep trying that.

I apologise for the appalling cultural ignorance in this post.
 
 
Jack Fear
03:14 / 11.09.06
Read the panels from right to left and top to bottom. Read the balloons within each panel from right to left. Like so...



It takes a little getting used to, but after a while it comes pretty easily.

Just out of curiosity, what manga are you reading? (Not that it's any of my business.)
 
 
Jackie Susann
06:02 / 11.09.06
Project X: Cup Noodle, the amazing story of the invention of two-minute noodles. I will report back on whether it's as awesome as I hope.
 
 
Mistoffelees
20:25 / 01.10.07
I just discovered a site with elaborate and amazing anime/manga images that you really should take a look at. I know, you probably can´t read anything either, but that doesn´t matter. Just click anything and scroll down what opens up. Make sure, you enlarge any image that has a 1024*768, 2048*1536, etc link beneath it. That artist is so gifted, I really would like to know what all that text among them means.
click and enjoy
 
  
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