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Tarot Questions

 
 
Sekhmet
05:49 / 18.07.04
I am by no means an expert Tarot reader, having never made an intense study of it. I have had varying levels of success in my occasional efforts, mostly fairly disappointing.

But tonight I did a spread that was so on-topic and relevant that it's spooked me a little, and I have a couple of questions for the experts around here if you wouldn't mind helping me out.

One: I think I remember reading or being told that a large number of Major Arcana cards in a spread was significant. I was using a Celtic Cross spread and there were five Majors, three in the cross and two in the ladder. Does this mean something?

Two: In my limited understanding, the cards indicating near future and the ultimate outcome indicate what will happen if your present course isn't altered. Therefore, if these are positive, am I correct in thinking it should indicate that you're on the right track? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying the issue, so feel free to clue me in.

I appreciate any assistance, thanks!
 
 
gale
17:45 / 18.07.04
Hi,

As I understand it, a lot of major arcana cards in a spread indicates the presence of, or at least potential for, some pretty big-time, definitely not everyday events.

It makes sense that if the near future and final outcome are positive, not taking any major life-changing actions would increase the likelihood of things turning out positively (but with all of those major arcana cards, maybe life-changing stuff will happen anyway).

Hope this helps out.
 
 
Warewullf
21:08 / 18.07.04
What gale said.

If you've got a positive outcome, maybe just be more concious of what you're doing and try not to change things too much.
(Hmm, there's an issue here about not being slaves to the cards...maybe a topic for another thread.)

Tarot spreads are usually action vs. inaction.
In this case, it sounds like inaction is the way to go.
(Unless an earlier card is telling you that you should do something to get to the positive outcome...)
 
 
Sekhmet
16:46 / 19.07.04
Erm... Well... In this case, there is already action being taken. Would the cards then be advising to continue with this course of action?

(Incidentally, that's what I was planning to do anyway, but some form of confirmation is always nice...)

Thanks for the comments!
 
 
Warewullf
07:28 / 20.07.04
I'd say yes. If the action has already happened (ie. "You've done this and leads to this positive outcome") then stay with it and follow it to it's conclusion.

(Barring any obvious reasons why you shouldn't. Y'know, like causing harm to another. Personal responsibilty can't be abandoned just cos the cards told you you'd be ok!)
 
 
Sekhmet
15:25 / 21.07.04
Of course. To be more clear about it, I've started the process of some changes that are going to be occurring over a period of time (lifestyle adjustments and such). I take this as a sign that these changes will be, as I hoped, Good Things. :-)

By the way, we could maybe open this thread up to be a general Tarot Assistance Hotline if anyone else has any questions. I think it's been done before, but any such threads seem to have drifted downstream a bit now.
 
 
Warewullf
20:59 / 21.07.04
Good idea! It's always nice to have a help line.

I have to start doing more Tarot readings. It's surprising how much you forget when you don't practice. Plus I keeping getting asked for readings at parties. (Does this happen to anyone else? After a few drinks, it's always "Did ya bring your cards?! Didja didja didja?!" I don't mind, really, but why do they always want readings when I'm drunk?)
 
 
macrophage
14:51 / 22.07.04
I only own Giger Major Arcana cards, I have yet to wait to buy a full Major+Minor set and no I do not want the Thoth Tarot, I'm sick of Crowley by now!!!
 
 
Sekhmet
18:07 / 22.07.04
You know, that's actually an interesting thought... anyone want to tell what their favorite deck is, and explain why? Also, how do you store/care for your cards?

Despite being a novice, I have three decks - a mini Rider-Waite pocket deck (secondhand and very worn) a pseudo-Crowleyan deck that I think is called the Golden Dawn Tarot (never used it) and the Aquarian Tarot by David Palladini, which is my primary deck. I think the art is gorgeous - I have a fondness for stylized, art-deco pieces with graceful lines blended with geometrics (also a big fan of Aubrey Beardsley). He has a new deck out, too, but from what I've seen online I don't like it quite as much.

As for care and feeding, the mini Rider-Waite has its own little cardboard box, in poor repair, which sometimes lives inside a small velvet drawsting bag. The GD deck lives in a soapstone (I think) box with an image of a dancing Ganesha carved on top. It just perfectly fits, with no room left at the edges or on top - as if the box was made specifically for the deck.

The Palladini deck is kept inside a gold silk drawstring bag embroidered with gold Oriental dragons, inside a velvet-lined box made out of a turtle's shell, on the nightstand next to my bed.

Anyone else?
 
 
Unicornius
22:53 / 22.07.04
I have six decsk but only use a two of them in a semi-regular basis.

My first Tarot is an hybryd copy of the rider-waite. To this day its my favorite. It even has some cards obviously influenced by Frank Frazetta's paintings.

Then I have the Dali Tarot, I wouldnt recomend it since it doesnt have the name of the cards except for the major arcana and some of the correspondences (to me) seem wrong. And it usually gets the situation backwards or not at all. Also the scenes are not Dali's own drawings but collages form different artists from different eras.

The Legend deck(Arthurian tarot) its fairly ok, althougt Im not quite pleased with The wheel being a dream of Arthur instead of the round Table and other minor changes. But Perceval is the Fool and Merlin the Magician so.... Its a good deck sometimes a little bit vague but it can be used by anyone, and it makes you look cool (in some circles any way). It boasts Galahad as the knight of cups and animal as the pages of each suit, serpents, badger, rabbit and some other animal.

The Celtic Dragon Tarot. Now I have very mixed feeling with this deck. On one hand its beautifully painted and its great for begginers. It worked for me from the first time I used it without any preparation, and it was accurate too!. But (and this is the same with the Lengend deck) it has the elements reversed: Wands are air and Swords are fire. Also it has a very feministic approach and some of the major arcana have women instead of men as is the case of the magician and others, and the companion book kind of misses the mark on several meanings (and descriptions!) but I dont have my deck with me so I cant go into further detail.

Then there is the Lord of the Rings deck. Actually it couls have been better but the scenes are so small because its also a card game, so they are nothing more that a very small square of about 6 cm * 3 cm. Some correspondences are taken from the hobbit and the Silmarillion and do not always match correctly.

And last but not least is the Toth deck (by Crowley). And enough has been said about this one.

I usually use my first deck and Thot ones. They have the highest rate of accuracy, or that's what my freind tell me when I do a reading for them but when it comes to me I can only see the present (gee, thanks for telling me exactly what I know).


Oh yeah, the missing animal from the Legend deck is a salmon.
 
 
eye landed
02:46 / 23.07.04
I was wondering recently about the significator. I dont use it, because it hasnt helped me when I have used it. But then again, I rarely spread for other people (which Im thinking of changing), and I think choosing a significator for myself would bias the reading. On the other hand, this prevents me from using Crowleys method.

For those of you who do use the sig, what good does it do you? And also, how do you go about choosing a card?

I have a Thoth deck, which I like a lot for self-spreads. Ive never read someone else with it, nor have I ever managed to puzzle out Crowleys method far enough to use it successfully.

I have a deck called Adrian, which was a gift. Its art consists of computer-altered models (i.e. human models) with superimposed bisymmetrical line-art (the line art resembles the backgrounds of some of the Thoth sword cards). The small cards dont have people in them, but all the other cards do, even inhuman ones such as the Tower. Which is interesting. The attributions are Levite (i.e. Justice 11, Fool shin). I prefer it for reading in the presence of others because the Thoth deck is huge (3.75'x5.5') and a bit clumsy to shuffle.
 
 
Sekhmet
14:06 / 23.07.04
Good question...

I've only used a significator a couple of times... I'm not really clear on what its purpose is in the reading. If you already know who/what your query is about, why pull a perfectly good card out of the deck to represent it? What if you choose a card that might be needed in the reading?

I've heard of some people writing the query on a piece of paper and using that as the significator, which seems to me to make more sense.

Or should you just pick one card that always represents you? The one you identify most strongly with, perhaps?
 
 
gale
15:57 / 23.07.04
I don't use a significator, but I also don't often do readings for other people.

As in so much else concerning magick, if a significator is important to you, then use one. Which one? I liked the idea of using a card that best represents you.

Crowley's method for significators seems really strange unless I am misunderstanding it (imagine that). As far as I can tell, significators are all court cards and based on date of birth. He recommends that the querant choose a card from the deck. Is it his or her significator? No? Then have them do it again. If, on the third try the querant still has not picked his or her significator, call off the reading and tell them to go home.
 
 
Unicornius
20:00 / 23.07.04
I use a significator when I'm doing a reading for someone who is not present. I choose it depending on the deck Im using.

If its the Toth deck then I base my decision not only on an astrological base but also in a psychologial one.
If I'm using the hybrid deck then I base my decision on the physical appearance of the person.

If Im interested in a particular card that showed up in a previous spread then that card is the significator.

Why? For focusing purposes or if I am in the mood
 
 
+am
23:38 / 26.07.04
thanks to sekhmet for bringing to my attention this thread. here is that link to the site with the exhaustive list of tarot packs, as requested... i find the "alcohol" tarot particularly amusing...
 
 
gravitybitch
00:53 / 27.07.04
I've got two proper Tarot decks, the Aquarian (didn't like it - the art didn't work for me and most of the people look so sour) and the Cosmic Tribe deck (very Burning Man - lots of naked people, lots of piercings and tattoos, your choice of three Lovers cards) which is the deck I use for most spreads.

I also have a deck designed by Antero Alli that I use for "pick a card" and "pick three cards" sorts of things. It's called the Vertical Oracle, and it's pretty interesting although not in any traditional Tarot way. There are 52 cards; no suits, no trumps, no court.
 
 
C.Elseware
07:39 / 27.07.04
I have a rider waite deck that was given to me. OK. Actually myself and a friend had heard somewhere that you should traditionally be given your first set of cards, so we walked into the shop and paid for each others. Engineers ruin tradition...

A friend told me I should not keep them in the box, but rather in a bag. I told him it was his mission to find me my bag then. About a month later he begrudingly handed over a bag which was for me, but that it had been the one his mother had kept her cards in for ten years, back when she read professionally and I did understand that this was a big deal right...

My significator is the king of wands. Although I think there is a danger in a significator, in that in can preclude change if you believe in it too much.

One of my best friends significators is the hanged man. In the Rider Waite Tarot you can see that his (the hanged man) position appears bleak yet he seems to be smiling. It also means "life in suspension". Some people would love my friend to fulfill what they see as his full potential and get his life in gear, without realising that he chooses not to, rather than unable.

I recently saw a deck derived from Rider Waite and I did not like it at all. The faces were rendered in much more detail. I prefer the simplicity of the RW deck as it forces you to project your own interpretations into it. Also this deck lost some of the symbology to my annoyance. eg. on the ten of pentacles the ten were scatered randomly rather than in the pattern of the tree of life. tsk.

I also own a deck with kabalistic symbology. It has a small picture and then indicates which path of the tree of life it maps to, the hebrew letter and the colour. It's interesting but I don't feel much connection with it.

I don't tend to do readings. When I do I have always substituted "past" and "future" for "descreasing influence" and "increasing influence" as I think that leaves the thing on a better note. It doesn't give post-divination-paranoia as much.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:25 / 29.07.04

Can anyone contribute some insights on the Magician card? The books I have seem to be a little vague there for some reason, and I think it might be important to know more...

Thanks!
 
 
the cat's iao
15:39 / 29.07.04
Here's some thoughts that were collected quite some time ago: The Magician
 
 
cusm
15:56 / 29.07.04
Aah ya beat me too it. I was going to plug the Barbelith Tarot Project as a general resource for this thread. Go follow that link, read it, love it, add too it!
 
 
Sekhmet
16:01 / 29.07.04
Oooooh... Wow. Neato.

Thanks! I guess I should have done a search first...
 
 
simulated stereo
11:15 / 17.01.09
I'm pretty sure I'll be referring to this thread a lot in the coming weeks. I'm completely new to tarot (and magick as well, really) and my first decks arrived inn the mail yesterday.

I ordered the Smith-Waite deck and the Golden Dawn deck incidentally. I wanted to get either the Hermetic Deck (the illustrations are amazing) and the Thoth Deck (again amazing illustrations) but was unable to get either one over here in S.Korea. Looked over both decks for a while and read the tiny books then tried a reading. It was then that I realized I didn't really know what I was looking at.

Far from discouraged though. I love the cards and I love the possibilities. I got interested in tarot and magick as a means of personal development and mental development and I know these things aren't easy. Right now though I'm just so happy this board exists. I have no-one here to give advice or bounce ideas off of.
 
 
grant
17:00 / 19.01.09
You might find more joy over yonder....

But yes, tarot is a great story-making machine.
 
 
cerca_trova
00:50 / 16.11.09
The book '78 Degrees of Wisdom' by Rachel Pollack is very insightful and is a good introduction to learning the symbology of the Waite-Smith deck.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:05 / 18.11.09
Surely not the same Rachel Pollack who wrote 'The Doom Patrol'?

Mentioning that here is like going on about Norman Chomski on Stormfront, I fear.
 
  
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